Glenn Beck: Pelosi rushes vote

GLENN: Representative John Culberson of Texas claims the stimulus bill must be urgently voted on today because speaker Nancy Pelosi is leaving at 6:00 p.m. for an eight-day trip to Europe. No way. Get him on the phone. Get Culberson on the phone. Pelosi is hoping to lead a delegation to Europe. There she is with the Pope getting an award from an Italian legislative group. Calls to Pelosi went unreturned. Democrats have now broken their promise to have the public see the proposed bill for 48 hours before any vote. I believe, um, this is obscene. I believe Obama said that five days, that he would make things public before they would be turned into law. Senator Frank Lautenberg, democrat from New Jersey, predicted that none of his Senate colleagues would have a chance to read the final version of the bill before it comes up for the final vote. Here it is, 1,071 pages. None of his Senate colleagues would have the chance. This is obscene. There is no emergency that is so important that we pass this without reading it. There is absolutely no excuse! You know what? You call up your congressman, you call up your senators today. I swear to you, you might want to vote for it, you can wait. Nancy Pelosi can wait. You can wait until you've had a chance to read the damn thing! Who in their right mind would do this in business? Who in their right mind would do this with your own home? Damn it, it is our country! Who are these alien life forms? How fast do they have to read it? If they're going to vote today, they have to read 640 words per minute. Now, I'm going to show you, I'm going to read a page of the stimulus package and I'm going to show you how I would have to read it. Now, I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but I'm guessing there are some people a little less bright than me in congress. This is the way that I would do it. I would assemble my team, stu, we would have what, I would have my, you know, my aides around me, I guess. I got Joe, who is one of the smartest legal guys, so you can speak legalese.

STU: Right. And this is 150 words here.

GLENN: Only doing 150 words. Here we go. And I'm supposed to read 640 words per minute to be able to read this whole thing and get to the vote and have read it.

STU: And so Nancy Pelosi can catch her plane.

GLENN: There's no way, there is no way that's true. There is absolutely no way.

STU: She's getting an award, though.

GLENN: You ready? Stu, you're going to time me?

STU: Yes.

GLENN: Okay. You time me for a minute.

STU: See how long it takes you to read these 150 words.

GLENN: Okay, all right. Let me know when we hit a minute and we'll just keep going. Ready? Go. 37, watershed rehabilitation program, for an additional amount for watershed rehabilitation program, let's just assume I'm a regular person and I don't know what the watershed rehabilitation, can you find out what the watershed rehabilitation program is please? $50 million, have to count the zeros, for necessary expenses to carry out rehabilitation of structural measures. What does that mean, Joe? Necessary expenses to carry out rehabilitation of structural measures? Buildings and stuff?

JOE: That could be dams, bridges, any structure.

GLENN: Provided that section 1106 of this act shall not apply to this appropriation. Can you find out what section 1106 says?

JOE: And at this time, the congressman or senators are getting an aide to go get that section because they don't know either.

GLENN: Okay. Provided further that priority in the use of such funds shall be given such projects. [Buzzer]

STU: That's one minute.

GLENN: Provided further that the priority in the use of such funds shall be given to such projects that can be fully funded and completed with the funds appropriated in this act. So in other words, as long as it can be completed with the money that is in here, that project gets a priority. Right? Okay. And to activities that commence promptly following the enactments. Or if you can at least start it right away, correct?

STU: Or both.

GLENN: Okay. Rural development programs, rural community advancement program, including transfers of funds. For an additional amount of gross obligations for the principal amount of direct and guaranteed loans as authorized by sections 306 and 310-B, and described in sections 381 ED-1, 381 ED-2 and 381 ED-3. [Buzzer]

See for yourself


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STU: That's two minutes.

GLENN: Of the consolidated, hang on, I don't even know, for an additional amount of gross obligations. So in other words, what is obligations? Understand how that word's being used. For an additional amount of gross obligations. Are they saying for an additional amount of money not in this act.

JOE: Right, if you can start the project and finish the project with the moneys allocated, that's fine, but there will still be long-term costs that are not operational costs.

GLENN: Okay, I see. Gross obligations for the amount of principal and direct guaranteed loans as authorized, find out what's in 306, 310, 381 ED-1, 2, and 3, of the consolidated farm and rural development act, what the hell is that? To be able from the rural community advancement program as follows, $5,838,000,000, zero, zero, zero.

STU: Right. And conveniently timed. [Buzzer] That's 3 minutes. Again, you didn't resolve any of the questions that you have.

GLENN: No, I just have questions.

STU: You just have questions like what are these act that we're spending $5 billion on. You have not allocated in your mind whether that's a good thing or a bad thing, you at least know you have to check them. That's not how you actually need to read the bill because you need to get the answers, check them, and come back and say, yes, this is good or this is bad.

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GLENN: Now, let me try to read those hundred words, how fast do I have to read those hundred words.

STU: It's 150 words. You'd have to read it in about --

GLENN: 10 seconds?

STU: 12 seconds.

GLENN: 12 seconds, okay. So I want to read before I vote, if I want to read this bill, I can't even read this in 12 seconds.

STU: You haven't tried. Just read it as fast as you can.

GLENN: Ready? Tell me when to go.

STU: Three, two, one.

GLENN: [reading fast] Provided that section 1106 of this act shall not apply to this proposeration --

STU: Stop.

GLENN: I'm two sentences in.

STU: What's the word you got to here?

GLENN: Provided further. Let me try to read it faster. I'm on line 5 of 24. You have it?

STU: Yeah, ready? Three, two, one.

GLENN: [reading fast] Provided that section 1106 of this act shall not apply to this appropriation. To begin projects... [Buzzer] There's no way. There's absolutely no way to read this. I mean there's no way to read this.

STU: The fastest you read there, I don't know, it seems like about a third as fast as you'd need to read it.

GLENN: Dan, can you take what I just did and speed it up, take what I read the act, I read it to the $5 trillion last hour and I read it quickly, but not really, really fast.

STU: Right. You did 150 words in about a minute there.

GLENN: That was the first time I read it. In fact, Dan, can you just play it at normal speed here on what I did last hour, when I just read it at normal speed? Because I was reading it cold just like somebody would, you turn the page, and here you read it cold. Here you go.

GLENN: For an additional amount of watershed rehabilitation program, $50 million for necessary expenses to carry out rehabilitation of.

STU: Stop.

GLENN: Okay. I'm not reading it slowly. Now, can you cut that, it needs to be 12 seconds, so cut that to 30 seconds. Dan: Okay.

GLENN: [reading fast - unintelligible]

GLENN: That's 30 seconds. Can you get it, will the computer take you down to 12 seconds?

DAN: The computer actually does not let me take it down to 12 seconds. It won't even go that far.

GLENN: It won't time compress, it will not allow, the computer will not allow this amount to be compressed into 12 seconds. What's as fast as you can get it?

DAN: The fastest it will go is 15 seconds.

GLENN: Run 15 seconds. [reading fast - unintelligible]

GLENN: Oh, okay. I got it. How about you? You ready to vote?

STU: And you only have to do that for, you know, the whole night.

GLENN: Yeah. You only have to do that from 7:00 p.m. to 9:00 a.m., straight, no potty breaks, nothing.

STU: If you kept your laptop with you, you could keep scrolling while you were going to the bathroom maybe.

GLENN: It's obscene, it's obscene. This is the change we were looking for? This is the change? Where are the damn democrats? Where are the good American democrats? You want to pass this thing, pass it! But know what's in it. Where are all the people that were screaming about the patriot act? Screaming? You people, look, democrats, I'm begging you, you know this isn't a stimulus package, fine. Fine. You want to roll back the, you want to roll back all the Clinton welfare stuff, fine, roll it back. But know what else is in it. We are just handing our sovereignty over. People say character doesn't matter. Yes, it does. This is why character matters. Because anyone can character would say, wait a minute, this is the future of our country. Anyone with character would say I don't care what my own party says, I wouldn't care what Nancy Pelosi says, I don't care. I'm reading it. I was sent here to do a job. And that is to represent the people in my district. And I can't represent them, I can't look them in the eye and say, well, okay, I just passed it, it was a hurry. You vote no! Even if it doesn't mean it stops it, you vote no! This is obscene. I tell you, I'm, I'm, George Washington would call us enemies of the state. George Washington would call us enemies of the state. He would. Here was the indispensable man, here was a man full of honor, here was a man who stepped down. Here was a man who said no. It's Mr. President. They wanted to make him king. Whose liberty are you just throwing around? Whose liberty are you just treating with such disregard? Mine, yours, our children's. These guys have a sacred responsibility to protect us. To protect the constitution of the United States. They can't even read it fast enough! The largest bill ever? The last huge stimulus bill was how much? This is, this dwarfs everything. We have found so many things in it at the last minute, all of a sudden, health care, universal health care, where we're telling our seniors that there are some things you're just going to have to get used to, universal health care czars are tucked into this thing? We've got, what was it, 20 or $30 million for the salt marsh mouse in Nancy Pelosi's district? How dare you? How can you sleep at night! Some of us, some us actually care about our country. And I will not hear, I will not accept any, no more, I will not accept hearing anyone say how dare you tell me I don't love my country. You can vote for this bill and love your country. but you can't vote for this bill if you haven't read the damn bill and love your country! You love your party over country. And I'm tired of it. I am tired of the republicans, I am tired of the democrats. George Washington told us that these two parties, he was against the two-party system. He said it would be the death of us. You got to get yourself away from these parties. That's not me. That's George Washington. Well, now we see how far ahead of his time he was. We don't need a third party. We need Americans that may disagree, that vote for the stimulus package and against the stimulus package, but agree that they need to read the damn bill first. Boy.

STU: Don't try and act like the founders read the entire Declaration of Independence before they signed it.

GLENN: These people put their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor, these people in Washington, some of these people don't even have sacred honor, wouldn't recognize it if it came up and slapped them across the face. And believe me, sacred honor would slap a lot of these clowns across the face. Their lives? They would never put their lives on the line for this constitution, they'd never put their -- you're going to put your life, you are signing this bill, you might as well be putting your life on the line for the country. You better know what the hell is in it. Because -- the CBO says it's going to make things worse. You might say it makes things better. Well, you better damn well know. Just the arrogance.

STU: Glenn, we have to stop here for a break. But just before you do, think about this for a minute. Did George Washington ever get an award from an Italian legislative group?

GLENN: No, he didn't.  But he would have probably left before the vote. I can't read this whole declaration thing. Constitution, whatever. You know what, John? Just sign big, so my name, you know, there's no room for me in there? I got to go. I'm getting an award tonight.

Glenn gives the latest coronavirus numbers, updating YOU on everything needed to know as Americans and officials monitor China's new COVID-19 virus:

Daily Stats as of 5:30 AM CT (from John's Hopkins)

  • Total Confirmed Cases Worldwide: 486,702 (up from 434,595 Yesterday)
  • Total Confirmed Deaths Worldwide: 22,022 (up from 19,603 Yesterday)
  • Total Confirmed Recovered Worldwide: 117,448 (up from 111,853 Yesterday)
  • 4% of Active Cases are considered serious (requiring hospitalization) Steady from 4% Yesterday, and down from 19% in February
  • Note that 12% of US Confirmed Cases do currently require Hospitalization, but that number is expected to drop toward the international average as more people are diagnosed through testing.
  • US has 65,581 Confirmed cases and 1,036 Deaths, up from 54,941 cases and 784 Deaths yesterday
  • US has 428 total officially recovered, against 1,036 official deaths. Again, US numbers are expected to normalize toward international averages as more mild cases are diagnosed.

Brother, Can You Spare $2 Trillion? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/25/coronavirus-stimulus-bill-updates-whats-in-the-2-trillion-relief-plan.html
  • US Senate Passes the largest economic stimulus bill in world history.
  • The Senate passes a roughly $2 trillion economic relief plan in response to the coronavirus pandemic.
  • It includes direct payments to Americans, strengthened unemployment insurance, loans to businesses small and large and increased health care resources for hospitals, states and municipalities.
  • Loans to small businesses are technically 'grants' covering payroll and rent payments. Grants do not have to be repaid.
  • It is unclear when the House will pass the legislation, though it aims to do so Friday.
Every American Will Get $1,200 in 2-3 Weeks, $2,400 plus up to 4 months Unemployment Benefits https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8152139/Every-American-four-months-unemployment-checks-earning-95-000.htm
  • Workers will get four months of unemployment pay plus additional $600 each.
  • Direct checks to Americans include 1,200 per adult making up to $75,000 a year before phasing out and ending altogether for those earning more than $99,000
  • That would result in $2,400 to a married couple making up to $150,000, with an additional $500 per child for each household.
  • 'Our expectation is within three weeks we will have direct payments out,' Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin said.
Cuomo Confirms What Introverts Have Long Known: Social Distancing Works https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3077011/coronavirus-new-york-governor-andrew-cuomo-says-early-signs-show-social
  • Stringent density control measures may be working to contain the coronavirus in New York state, the epicenter of COVID-19 outbreak in the US, as the rate of hospitalization shows early signs of abating, Governor Andrew Cuomo said on Wednesday.
  • New York, which has 19 million residents and nearly 31,000 infections, now accounts for 56 per cent of the confirmed cases in the country and more than 7 percent of the world's total.
  • Cuomo had ordered all but essential businesses to shutter by Sunday evening and residents to limit their outdoor activities and practice social distancing, effectively putting the state on pause.
  • On Tuesday, the number of hospitalized patients had doubled every 4.7 days, slowing from the rate of every 3.4 days on Monday and every two days on Sunday, Cuomo said at his daily coronavirus briefing.
  • "This is a very positive sign," he said. "The arrows are heading into the right direction."
Were the Beads Worth It? Mardi Gras Gets Blame for Big Easy Outbreak https://news.trust.org/item/20200325200808-oc1ie
  • "Mardi Gras was the perfect storm, it provided the perfect conditions for the spread of this virus," said Dr. Rebekah Gee, who heads up Louisiana State University's health care services division.
  • She noted that Fat Tuesday fell on Feb. 25, when the virus was already in the United States but before the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and national leaders had raised the alarm with the American public.
  • "New Orleans had its normal level of celebration, which involved people congregating in large crowds and some 1.4 million tourists," Gee said. "We shared drink cups. We shared each other's space in the crowds. People were in close contact with catching beads. It is now clear that people also caught coronavirus."
  • New Orleans is on track to become the next coronavirus epicenter in the United States, dimming hopes that less densely populated and warmer-climate cities would escape the worst of the pandemic, and that summer month could see it wane.
  • Authorities have warned the number of cases in New Orleans could overwhelm its hospitals by April 4.
  • New Orleans is the biggest city in Louisiana, the state with the third-highest caseload of coronavirus in the United States on a per capita basis.
  • The growth rate in Louisiana tops all others, according to a University of Louisiana at Lafayette analysis of global data, with the number of cases rising by 30% in the 24 hours before noon on Wednesday.
  • On Tuesday, U.S. President Donald Trump issued a major federal disaster declaration for the state, freeing federal funds and resources.
US Military Officially On No-Travel Lockdown https://news.trust.org/item/20200325203242-zgoc4
  • Defense Secretary Mark Esper has issued a "stop all movement" order to the U.S. military halting travel and movement abroad for up to 60 days in an effort to limit the spread of the coronavirus through the ranks.
  • The measure is by far the Defense Department's most sweeping to date and will affect forces around the world.
  • Esper said in an interview that the order applied to all U.S. troops, civilian personnel and families, but noted that there would be some exceptions.
  • "The purpose is to make sure that we're not bringing the virus back home, infecting others, that we're not spreading it around the military," Esper said.
  • The order does include personnel who were to have been scheduled to be formally discharged from the Military in April or May.
  • Esper said one exception to the order would be the drawdown underway in Afghanistan, which will continue.
For The Best Darn Facemask In The Whole Wide World... https://www.foxnews.com/us/mypillow-other-us-companies-making-face-masks-to-meet-coronavirus-shortages
  • In Minnesota, the MyPillow company is refocusing 75 percent of its production to face masks for health care workers.
  • "We have the capacity to make a lot of things at big rates and we're going to be going hopefully from 10,000 units a day to 50,000 units a day in a very short period of time," CEO Mike Lindell told FOX 9 of Minneapolis-St. Paul.
  • The masks will go to hospitals in Minnesota as well as other states, he said. "Whatever it takes."
  • MyPillow worked with the Trump administration to get the proper design, Lindell told local Fox News 9.
  • Lindell joins literally hundreds of other companies in the US who have heeded the call of the Trump Administration to covert production to respirators, masks, ventilators, gowns and other needed medical equipment.
Further Evidence that COVID-19 Is Seasonal and May Spread Less in Summer Months https://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-could-become-seasonal-top-us-scientist-001146451.html
  • There is a strong chance the new coronavirus could return in seasonal cycles, a senior US scientist said Wednesday, underscoring the urgent need to find a vaccine and effective treatments.
  • Anthony Fauci, who leads research into infectious diseases at the National Institutes of Health, told a briefing the virus was beginning to take root in the southern hemisphere, where winter is on its way.
  • "What we're starting to see now... in southern Africa and in the southern hemisphere countries, is that we're having cases that are appearing as they go into their winter season," he said.
  • "And if, in fact, they have a substantial outbreak, it will be inevitable that we need to be prepared that we'll get a cycle around the second time," Fauci said, referring to a 2nd cycle in the US late next fall in November or December.
  • "It totally emphasizes the need to do what we're doing in developing a vaccine, testing it quickly and trying to get it ready so that we'll have a vaccine available for that next cycle."
  • Fauci's comments suggesting the virus does better in colder weather than it does in hot and humid conditions follows a recent Chinese research paper -- still preliminary and awaiting peer-review -- that reached the same conclusion.

Glenn gives the latest coronavirus numbers, updating YOU on everything needed to know as Americans and officials monitor China's new COVID-19 virus:

Daily Stats as of 5:30 AM CT (from John's Hopkins)

  • Total Confirmed Cases Worldwide: 434,595 (up from 392,156 Yesterday)
  • Total Confirmed Deaths Worldwide: 19,603 (up from 17,138 Yesterday)
  • Total Confirmed Recovered Worldwide: 111,853 (up from 102,850 Yesterday)
  • All 195 Countries On Earth have confirmed cases Antarctica (not a country) Still No Confirmed Cases. Penguins officially confirmed to NOT be carriers for COVID-19.
  • 4% of Active Cases are considered serious (requiring hospitalization) down from 5% Yesterday, and down from 19% in February
  • Note that 13% of US Confirmed Cases do currently require Hospitalization, but that number is expected to drop toward the international average as more people are diagnosed through testing.
  • US has 54,941 Confirmed cases and 784 Deaths, up from 46,168 cases and 582 Deaths yesterday
  • US has 379 total officially recovered, against 784 official deaths. Again, US numbers are expected to normalize toward international averages as more mild cases are diagnosed.

LA County Sherrif Orders Gun Stores Closed https://www.foxla.com/news/la-county-sheriff-orders-gun-stores-to-close-adds-1300-deputies-to-patrol
  • Los Angeles County Sheriff Alex Villanueva declared gun stores as nonessential businesses that will be forced to close.
  • The Sherrif also confirmed that he's released 1,700 nonviolent inmates from county jails.
  • Villanueva also said he's adding 1,300 deputies to patrol.
America Loses 500,000 Millionaires to COVID-19 - Bernie Sanders Elated https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/markets/america-e2-80-99s-millionaire-ranks-shrink-by-500000-in-record-time/ar-BB11DrqN
  • At the close of 2019, there were an unprecedented 11 million American millionaires, a reflection of the longest bull market in history thanks to ultra-low interest rates and tax cuts.
  • Fast forward just a few months and it's a starkly different picture. The number of households in the U.S. above that threshold has dropped by at least 500,000 as of Friday, according to research firm Spectrem Group.
  • The tandem financial and health crises wrought by COVID-19 have disproportionately eroded the fortunes of the wealthy, who are more likely to own equities than the overall population.
  • At the end of 2019, the top 1% of households owned 53.5% of equities and mutual fund shares, according to Federal Reserve statistics.
  • The losses affected the rich at every level, from the mass affluent to those worth more than $25 million, according to the report. The wealth destruction at the very top has been especially steep, with the top 1% of households losing over $7.9 Trillion in wealth so far in 2020.
50% of Americans Living Under Shelter In Place or Home Quarantine Orders https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/more-than-half-of-us-population-will-be-under-orders-to-stay-home-by-midweek
  • The majority of the public will be ordered to stay home in the coming days as the coronavirus pandemic sweeps the nation.
  • A total of 13 states and at least 16 municipalities have enacted measures to keep residents inside their homes to prevent the spread of the virus, according to CNN.
  • That number, which amounts to 148,577,262 people, or 45% of the population, is expected to grow this week as five more states and nine more municipalities institute additional measures.
  • After the new orders go into effect, a total of 176,385,537 people, or 54% of the population, will be asked to stay home.
  • Many states and cities have not named a specific date, although some, such as LA County and the State of New York, have identified April 19th as the target 'end' of the at-home quarantine orders.
Uniformed Military Personnel Set Up Make-shift Morgue Outside NYC Hospital https://nypost.com/2020/03/24/makeshift-morgue-for-coronavirus-victims-set-up-outside-nyc-hospital/
  • In a scene reminiscent of Hollywood disaster movies (and more recently China, Italy and Spain), US Military personnel have set up a tent-based morgue outside of Bellvue Hospital in NYC.
  • Two refrigerated trailers were trucked to the site at 30th Street and the FDR Drive, along with a customized RV with a printed sign labeled: "MOBILE COMMAND CENTER — MEDICAL EXAMINER."
  • A team of men wearing camouflage fatigues and face masks set up a series of white tents that form a tunnel to a larger, white tent.
  • Other men wearing jackets that identified them as members of the NYPD and the city's Office of the Chief Medical Examiner were also at the scene.
  • A source familiar with the operation said that additional refrigerated trailers would be brought to the site and that similar set-ups would be built up outside other hospitals.
  • "The plan is for them to be there and throughout the city," the source said, with as many as 6 temporary morgue locations near hospitals in New York City.
UV Rays Proven to Destroy SARS-Cov-2 Virus https://www.accuweather.com/en/health-wellness/what-infection-rates-in-iceland-and-australia-may-reveal-about-how-covid-19-could-spread-in-the-us/707057
  • The infection rate for COVID-19 is 22 times higher in Iceland as compared to Australia.
  • The research comes as scientists in Hong Kong demonstrate that SARS-CoV-2, the virus responsible for COVID-19, is easily destroyed with UV light, just like all other known Coronaviruses.
  • "Direct exposure to UV light breaks down the membrane that houses the RNA of the virus," Dr Lon Kiang, lead researcher of the study said. Without the membrane, the virus cannot attach itself to healthy cells in the human body.
  • "This was expected, but is still certainly good news," he said.
  • Researchers said the findings may indicate that the virus will have a harder time spreading during warmer summer months, when more UV light strikes surfaces, including clothing and human skin, which may contain viral particles.
  • Scientists warned against directly and intentionally exposing skin to UV lights, which can cause burns and carries other risks, such as Cancer.

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