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GLENN: I want to start right out of the chute with John in Cincinnati who is a little angry. He, I believe he's going to call me a hate monger. I'm not sure. Hello, John, welcome.
CALLER: No, I'm not calling you a hate monger, Glenn.
GLENN: All right.
CALLER: But you ran against Margaret Sanger and H. G. Wells and eugenicists, you're the biggest eugenicist or Darwinist there is, talking about people should be fired if they can't do this or that. It's survival of the fittest with you. What happens to these people? Do they dissolve, do they starve to death? What happens to their children?
GLENN: Well, let's be -- it's amazing that I go against H. G. Wells. Here's a man who's obviously informed on H. G. Wells. John, congratulations. Welcome. Welcome. It's good to have a Fabian Society member on the air.
CALLER: I'm not a member of the Fabian Society. I voted for Ronald Reagan, I voted for George Bush, Sr., I voted for McCain, I voted for Bush.
GLENN: Well, you've got one guy you voted that was the right vote.
CALLER: Yes, I did. You are right. He was the right man at that time.
GLENN: Ronald Reagan.
GLENN: Ronald Reagan, that was pretty much it. The rest of them have been giant mistakes, haven't they? John, help me out on this. You say that I'm a eugenicist and these people are just going to dissolve. Instead of just using all the hyperbole, let's use a real example. Where do you work, John? You don't have to give the name of the company. What do you do?
CALLER: I'm a cashier.
GLENN: You are a cashier at, what, a grocery store?
CALLER: A gift shop.
GLENN: A gift shop? Okay. So let's say the gift shop is now going to go through tough times. Let's go way out on a limb and say that people are going to start having a hard time and not going to go out and buy stuff at the gift shop, okay?
CALLER: All right.
GLENN: As much as they have been. And you've got 10 employees there, you're all there, and the owner comes and looks at the situation and says, "Okay, we've got 50% less in sales than we had last year. So I've got a choice now. I can lay off and possibly rehire if things turn around, I can lay off the worst workers, the least profitable workers, I can call and I can cancel different lines that are the least profitable to us, or I can do nothing, keep everybody employed and then probably in six months go out of business and then everybody is starving."
CALLER: Well, that's something --
GLENN: Which one would you do, John?
CALLER: That's not the only option, Glenn.
GLENN: What are the other options?
CALLER: Well, they can reduce hours for everyone and keep everyone employed.
GLENN: So everybody could struggle together. Okay, that is an option.
GLENN: Yeah. But let's just say, let's just say the gift shop is at California, because I'm assuming that's why you're calling.
CALLER: Well, I'm not real -- I don't live in California. I'm not real familiar with the situation in California.
GLENN: Yeah, but that's why I was -- that's what I was talking about when I was talking about this situation. So that's what prompted this phone call. Where have I asked -- where have I told people they should be laid off other than companies like Chrysler that is failing?
CALLER: Exactly, yes. Not laid off. Fired. There's a difference.
GLENN: Yeah. Well, if they're failing, yes, they should be fired. And then it goes all the way to the CEO. Oh, what is his poor children going to do? If you're failing, John, yes, you're fired. If you suck at your job, you're fired.
CALLER: And then what happens to them, Glenn?
GLENN: Then you get better at the job and you go find another job. See, John, you can't tell me that you actually voted for Ronald Reagan because if you did, it was a giant mistake.
GLENN: It was a giant mistake then for you, John, because you believe in socialism. Ronald Reagan did not.
CALLER: He was the -- I don't believe -- I don't have an ideology. I believe in people for the time. He was the right man at the right time.
GLENN: Okay. So who's the right man at the right time now? Karl Marx?
CALLER: No, I believe that the choices we had that John McCain of the choices we had.
GLENN: Okay, so Karl Marx Lite.
CALLER: No, if I had other choices, I --
GLENN: Let's stop -- John, let's stop with your aversion to using the word that you're a socialist now, that now you believe that socialism is a good thing. Admit it and then we can have a real conversation.
CALLER: I believe that society comes together to help each other. It is a --
GLENN: That's called charity. Now, do you believe in charity? Because what happens to those people that have left off of the card shop or GM or whatever? They can go to their churches and they can get charity. They can go to their families and get charity. They can go find another job and get charity, or they can go to the government and get socialism. So which are you for?
CALLER: Should they have to beg for their existence, Glenn?
GLENN: No, sir. Charity is not begging. Charity is charity. Socialism is stealing.
CALLER: It's stealing from the selfish.
GLENN: Stealing from the selfish, hmmm. You voted for Ronald Reagan.
CALLER: Three times.
GLENN: That's amazing to me.
CALLER: Three times.
GLENN: You should go back and read Ronald Reagan's words. So he's stealing from -- may I ask, John, what percentage of your income do you give to charity?
CALLER: I give -- I tithe 10% to my church.
GLENN: 10% to your church. So you're a 10% person. Good for you. Would you consider me greedy, sir?
CALLER: I don't -- I would --
GLENN: Well, I want people to be fired. I don't want socialism. You would be taking my money, John, from me. You are taking my money from me. So I must be greedy. Am I greedy, sir?
CALLER: Glenn, if society wishes to do that, that is the right of the society to do that.
GLENN: So -- wow. America, are you hearing this? If society, if the collective decides, then the collective can destroy the individual for the collective.
CALLER: You talk about the individual. You like to divide people into individuals, Glenn, but then you suck them back up into your group.
GLENN: I am for the individual. I have no group, sir. I have no group except maybe the group that believes in the individual like our founding fathers did. So far I haven't found a group that actually believes what I believe. I have found libertarians, but they don't really have a group because in that group there are atheists and God-fearing people, there are people that are -- you know, want to live off, you know, the power of the sun and people who want to burn coal. There's just individuals in that group. So tell me, sir, what my group is, John.
CALLER: The group who agrees with you, sir.
GLENN: You're a moron. The collective -- let me ask you this, John. Can the collective -- if the collective decides to do something, then they can do anything against the individual, right? Because if the collective decides to destroy me because I have more money, then they can do that, right?
CALLER: I don't think that would happen in a society of law.
GLENN: Okay. John, let's just, let's just go down with the theory that you yourself said could be done. What law is there, John, if the collective decides to do it? You are telling me that you can take money from the greedy. You and the collective get to decide who's greedy.
By the way, John, I give 20% of my salary. So am I greedy or are we both just doesn't really matter, we each get to choose what we do with our income? Which one is it? So if the collective gets to decide who's greedy and who they can take money from, which is what your theory is, the individual doesn't matter, it is the collective -- that's your theory, right? That's your theory, right, John?
CALLER: Society determines, yes.
GLENN: Society determines. Great. So then if society determines that slavery is okay, is it okay?
CALLER: From an individual standpoint, no.
GLENN: No, no, no, we're talking about society making the decision. The individual doesn't matter. It's the collective, what's good for all of society. If society agrees that slavery is okay, if the collective says that, then it's okay, right?
CALLER: No, that's not all right.
GLENN: Why isn't that one all right?
CALLER: It's immoral.
GLENN: Why is it immoral? Who decides what's immoral?
CALLER: I do.
GLENN: The individual decides what's immoral?
CALLER: I can decide that but I cannot expect society to abide by my own personal morals.
GLENN: Okay. So if you then -- hang on. I just want to make sure. If you then decide it's immoral but the collective says it's not, should you go along with slavery?
GLENN: No. What then should you do?
CALLER: I should fight against it.
GLENN: You should fight against it. Alone, or do you think maybe you might find others that think that slavery is immoral?
CALLER: Well, the whole group, any group that decides that it's immoral would fight against it collectively.
GLENN: Wow. So in other words, what you'd do is you'd fight against slavery and then you'd just suck everybody up into a group that agrees with you?
GLENN: Exactly what you just accused me of doing and saying it was a bad thing.
CALLER: That's right.
GLENN: All right then. I think we're done here, John. I think we're done. But thank you for calling. It's been enlightening.