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GLENN: Let's go to Katie. Hello, Katie, you're on the Glenn Beck program.
CALLER: Hi, Glenn, I'm from Fort Wayne and I was lucky enough to meet you when you came here in November and I just want to call and say that ever since I came out of my conservative closet, I've lost a lot of my friends. About --
GLENN: Ever since you -- wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Katie, we met on the book tour.
CALLER: Yes, sir. I gave you a letter. I was with my dad.
GLENN: Yes, I remember you. And you actually came out of the closet.
CALLER: Yes. Today's actually twelve years that I've been out.
GLENN: Okay. And so you then came out, you were concerned about coming out as a gay conservative.
GLENN: I'm trying to remember all of this. Right?
CALLER: Yes. And I used to be uber liberal, and I was one of those known gay people that you just wanted to punch in the face because that's all I ever talked about. And my dad, it caused a lot of problems between me and my family and my dad trying to get my off my big liberal kick and open my eyes and said listen to me for just one week and if I didn't agree, fine. And I started to listen to you and I realized that before I'm gay, before I'm Democrat, Republican, I am an American.
GLENN: Good for you.
CALLER: And in listening to you, in saying what you mean and being true to yourself and true to your country, especially with this last election, a lot of my friends realized when they said are you voting for Obama or Hillary and I said, neither, they think I'm crazy. One of them actually said I'm like a Jew supporting Hitler. And --
GLENN: Because you voted for who?
CALLER: For McCain.
GLENN: For McCain? So --
CALLER: I voted for Palin. I voted for Palin and I was going to get McCain.
CALLER: And it's really hard. I feel so alone some days, and I'm lucky enough that, you know, through listening to you and getting back to what really matters in my eyes, being gay's a very small part of who I am, and nothing of what I am that I lost my friends because they don't want to talk to me, because they try to get me --
GLENN: They weren't your -- Katie, you didn't lose your friends. You lost the people that were pretending to be friends. You know, I'm an alcoholic and when I was sobering up, I lost a lot of friends. They weren't my friends. You know, you have to be who you are. And if people don't like you because of that, that's okay. You don't wish them ill. You know, I have nothing bad to say about anybody. It's just the way it is. You know, you will find, you will find new friends. It took me a long time to find new friends because you'll be in a transition mode for a long time. You surrounded yourself, especially if this is -- is this where you grew up?
CALLER: No, no, sir. I lived here for about five years now. My father was a marine and we lived everywhere from Japan to Alabama.
GLENN: But did everybody know you as the crazy liberal person that they wanted to punch in the face because all you would talk about was your gayness?
CALLER: For a very long time. And the only reason I thought I had to be Democrat because I was gay.
CALLER: It's in the gay handbook.
GLENN: Is it? I didn't know -- wow, I didn't know there were handbooks for this. How did I miss all of this? Okay. There are a lot of people -- I mean, you have set a pattern, you know, for your life and people view you a certain way. So don't worry about it, Katie. It will -- just let go of all of that. It will happen. The more you just allow yourself to be yourself and not try to make any statements. I'm so glad to hear you say, you know, your sexuality plays a very little part of who you are. My sexuality plays a very little part of who I am, too. It's just, that's what sets us apart, you know, is looking and saying, "Look at me; I'm different." It doesn't matter to me. I don't really care if you're different. What do we have in common? And you have found the biggest secret. What we have in common are principles. What we have in common is our belief that man was born to be free. Man was born with certain rights, and you can't take those away. God takes those away, not man. And so you have a different mindset now. And you will, you will find new friends and you will, you'll find -- well, I hate to say that you'll find happiness because are you happier now than you were, you know, a few years ago or when you were in a -- as a liberal?
CALLER: I am. I'm much happier. I've reconnected with my faith, and some of the people that have heard me out and looked past my sexuality have become very good friends. But it's hard. I want to get involved here locally and it's very hard because the conservative groups realize that I'm gay and then they don't necessarily want me in their organization because then what will people think. Liberals don't want me.
GLENN: What will people think? Oh, no, they've got gay people in their organization? I've got news for you, they got gay people working around them, too. What will people think? Listen, if the Republicans won't accept you as somebody who under -- that understands the principles of our country and the founding of our country, then don't go find a bunch of Republicans. Go find a bunch of libertarians. Now, they're hard to corral because they're a little like cats and they're just running around everywhere. So you can't really corral them and that -- quite honestly, libertarians, that's your biggest problem. You've got to be able to say, "Hey, we've got to concentrate on a few things." I know, I know, we all want to abolish the FBI, but let's start smaller. Let's concentrate on the tax code. Let's concentrate on, you know, pulling in the, you know, "Let's still protect Germany." Let's kind of pull some of these things in and then we'll worry about the FBI and other things maybe down the line a couple of years or maybe even a couple of weeks. Once people get used to it. But I'm becoming more and more libertarian every single day.
You know, that's -- like the Proposition 8 thing, this doesn't -- look, what you do in your private life, my stance is Obama's stance. My stance is Obama's stance. Proposition 8, what's going on now in the Supreme Court to me has nothing to do with being gay, nothing to do with being gay. What is happening now in California is do the people have the right to change the Constitution, yes or no. If you have the -- if you can change the Constitution, well, then you can change it back. As people become more enlightened or whatever, that's why we have that. Read the words of Thomas Jefferson. People are going to make mistakes but that's why you can change it back. They will come to their senses and they will change things back. Well, now the attorney general, the people's defender, the guy defending the laws that the people write say that people can't make these laws, they can't change the Constitution. If that stands, if California says you can't change the Constitution, we've got a real problem on our hands because that's -- really honestly that's where I am on the whole socialism thing. I just want to have the discussion. If America wants to go socialism, let's do it out in the open. Let's have the debate. Let's have a fair debate, let's really talk about it, let's turn over every stone. If that's what we want to do. But no, everybody wants to play tricks and procedural moves and everything else. Let's just be decent people to each other, shall we? Let's just be decent people. Stand up for what is right, and what is right is freedom of man. That comes from God, those rights. And the Constitution has done a pretty good job, until we started screwing around with interpretation, for a long time.