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GLENN:. Hey, here's good news. Obama's thinking about moving military down to the border, which I would really, I'd like the states to decide that, just like, you know, I've got a problem. I mean, are we going to enhance the guys who are already there who are answering phones and can't stop anybody because they are not carrying guns? Then, okay. But I've got this thing, I just don't like, you know, the military under the president's watch and serving the president and not the governors, you know, walking in with tanks and guns and stuff like that. I've got a problem with that. Maybe it's just me. Maybe it's just me. It is Stu saying, "Oh, yes, it's just you."
STU: To me.
GLENN: Go ahead.
STU: In this room it's just you.
GLENN: It is, it's just me.
STU: Yes, because I understand what you're saying. But when it comes to protecting the border, that is the job of the federal government.
GLENN: He says he is ready to call up the National Guard. No, no, I don't know if you know this. That's the governor's job to call on the National Guard. If Rick Perry -- and Rick Perry says he wants 1,000 National Guard. Good, arm them, give them flamethrowers, I don't care what you need, Rick. Under your command, great, that's great. Not under the president of the United States. Not on U.S. soil.
STU: As you know, Bush put thousands of National Guard troops down there to help support the border guards.
GLENN: Without guns.
STU: But the point is -- and we don't know that Obama is supporting anything different. I supported Bush doing it then.
GLENN: And I did, too. I don't think I would today. Well, I know I wouldn't today and I'm not going to today. Things have changed.
STU: Since 2006?
GLENN: Yeah. I'm not going to give these people any more power. They have proven themselves irresponsible with power. They get no more power.
STU: And maybe the National Guard this particular way, which we don't even know what it is yet, maybe this is the improper way. But the bottom line is the federal government does have a responsibility to close our borders to illegal aliens as well as they can.
GLENN: Here's an idea. Build the fence that you guys approved.
STU: They have built a lot of the fence. They are.
GLENN: Stop with me. Stop, stop.
STU: They've --
GLENN: I don't -- is it done? Was it done?
STU: You know why it's not done.
GLENN: Was it in the bill? Was it in the bill that it had to be finished by, what was it, last year or the year before?
STU: Yes, but do you know a lot of the times why they can't get it done is because local people are saying, no, you can't do it, you can't do it in my town, you can't do it in my state, you can't do it in my backyard.
GLENN: Do you remember that the Homeland Security department, the chief of Homeland Security was granted more power than anyone has ever received of all time in this country. George Washington didn't have this power. Nobody has ever had this power. He can suspend all laws, all laws to be able to get that done. I remember speaking out about that one under the Bush administration going, I don't think that makes me real comfortable.
STU: I don't know if I believe your assessment of that.
GLENN: We had him on. He had to do it because of all the environmental laws and everything else. He couldn't get it done. That was his excuse.
STU: Well, not all laws.
GLENN: Excuse me?
STU: They are getting sued like crazy by local --
GLENN: Anything that stops him from -- he can suspend all laws that stop him from building that fence.
STU: We're getting off topic but the bottom line is it's got to be local support, it's got to be their decision except when we're building this fence.
GLENN: I didn't want him to have that power then. I'm not going to give the Homeland Security department that kind of power. That's crazy.
STU: To protect our borders?
STU: You are not going to give -- you are not going to give our federal government --
GLENN: No, I'm going to say -- this is what I will do. I'll say we're going to build a fence and then when they say, "Well, we're going to have all these problems." You build the fence and you build it on this line and that's the way it is because it's for security reasons. "Well, I'm going to have to have some special powers to be able to suspend." No, you don't need any special powers. You come to me every time you have a problem and we'll take care of it.
STU: This is why it takes forever to take care of these things. You complain about it taking forever.
GLENN: I'm not going to give these people any more power. You know why I'm not giving them more power? Because they have not proven themselves trustworthy.
STU: You can't complain about them finishing the fence.
GLENN: They have the power and they haven't finished the fence. They have the power.
STU: They are getting sued.
GLENN: They said that we need this to be able to do it. We gave it to them. We need this to be able to do it; we gave it to them. We need all the power and -- we need to be a Genie, an all powerful Genie. Just rub my belly. Will you please build my fence if you give me... if you give me even more power of the universe. No, thank you, I think that's a bad idea, back in the bottle.
STU: But if you put border control in the hands of the states, then people are just going to walk around the states we like and they are going to walk where we don't protect the borders.
GLENN: That sucks.
STU: Because they don't just stay in those states.
GLENN: You give -- look, if Obama wants it, he can say I'm going to call it up. Great. He can call all of his liberal friends. I know all of the conservatives will say yes. Go ahead, put the border guards in. Hey, I'm thinking about -- good, call them up. Rick Perry wants 1,000. Good, do it the right way. They are under the jurisdiction of the governor. Stu, did you hear me rant and rave about the standing battalion of troops in Maryland, a standing battalion. That's not a good idea. I don't want a standing battalion of troops in the United States. It's called Posse Comitatus or Hakuna Matata. I don't remember what it is.
STU: My point is, though, I don't think anyone is arguing that border control in Maryland is a reason to put out federal resources. I think people are saying that the border particularly with Mexico but also with Canada is important for the federal government, too.
GLENN: Good. Then I'm going to call after the governors as president of the United States and say, "Hey, I would like to do this and I would like to nationalize these." Okay, good.
STU: And when they say -- even if they all say yes, then you have the local people and they say no. And then you have local people and they say no.
GLENN: And then I say to the president, "You know why I'm not going to give that to you? Because you have betrayed the trust. When you guys in Washington stop betraying the trust, then I'll play games with you."
STU: Both of these points are legitimate but they don't work together.
STU: That's my case.
GLENN: It's too late. It's too late. When you don't have trust, this is what happens. I learned this from my father. My father made a rule in the house: We can't lie to each other. We're all going to make mistakes but we can never lie to each other because if we lie to each other, the family breaks down and we can no longer move forward together as a family because we've lost our trust. Great. We've lost our trust as a family. Now, when you start to show me that you're going to mean what you say and say what you mean like I'm against earmarks; I'm not going to put any earmarks in... except for these 9,000. You show me that, I'm going to say I don't think I trust you, I don't think I trust you. "No, really this time, I'm just going to put the guards down there. I'm only going to call them up this one time, for this special reason." "Yeah, no, I think I'm going to let that be decided by the governors. You know kind of like in that -- I know it's pesky but that pesky Constitution thing." That's the way we're going to do it.