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GLENN: Stu and I had an argument earlier today about Larry Summers. He says that Larry Summers should be required to stay awake in meetings. I say I understand it. I mean, he's tired. He's sleepy. He's working.
STU: Working is
GLENN: Oh, you've never fallen asleep in a meeting at work?
STU: I don't believe I've ever fallen asleep, maybe I have once. I can't remember any, but I certainly have never done it on camera.
GLENN: You know what, because we don't have meetings here. We don't have those stupid meetings.
STU: Oh, no, that's right, we never have meetings here.
GLENN: We don't have the stupid kind of meetings that you sit there and you're like, oh, jeez, why am I in this meeting.
STU: No, we never have meetings like that here.
GLENN: No, come on. Do we?
STU: No, we don't
GLENN: Come on. Stop, stop. We don't have those we had one meeting. Remember we had, like when was it? Six months ago when we had to meet with all of these people who were planning the studios. Remember? We were all like, oh, jeez.
STU: I liked that meeting. That was interesting.
GLENN: Oh, jeez.
STU: Here's the thing about meetings
GLENN: You kept asking why am I in this meeting.
STU: Here's the thing that's interesting about meetings at this place, which is they're usually interesting to you because you're the one talking. Everyone else is struggling to their last the most important thing they can do. All I'm thinking to myself, got to stay awake, got to stay a wake.
GLENN: Shut up.
STU: But they do stay awake is what I'm saying.
GLENN: Shut up. Here's the thing. Everybody has those meetings. Everybody has those meetings.
GLENN: I was in a meeting this week where I fell asleep. I fell asleep, okay? I admit it, I fell asleep. I did everything I could. Come on, you've been in those meetings where you're like, where your eyes start to go and you're like, oh, boy, oh, no, here it comes. And you're trying so hard and you know that people are looking at you and your eyes are starting to roll. And then you kind of you know, you kind of just like hold your eyes you're like, I'm going to pretend I'm, like, really listening and you're, "I'm thinking," and you put your fingers up next to your eyes on your forehead. Actually all you're doing is holding your eyelids open?
GLENN: Come on, I can't be the only one that has had those meetings. You're telling me that Larry Summers isn't in meeting after meeting after meeting at the White House and they're like and they're talking numbers.
STU: This is you know what this is?
STU: You are Eliot Spitzer right now. You are saying, you know what, I can't be the only one who thinks hot 24 year olds are good looking. Well, yes, but we don't all have sex with the hot 24 year olds when we're married.
GLENN: Are you wait, wait. Hold it just a second. Are you comparing
GLENN: You're comparing
GLENN: having sex with a hooker to falling asleep in meetings at work?
STU: No, Media Matters, that's not what I'm saying. What I'm saying is
GLENN: I believe that's what America heard.
STU: No, what I'm saying is that there are things we're all tempted to do but by our duty
GLENN: Tempted to do?
STU: Yes, you are tempted to fall asleep at a meeting.
GLENN: I'm not tempted to fall asleep. I can't stay awake. I can't stay awake.
STU: You are saying you don't have enough physical control over yourself to stay awake through a meeting?
GLENN: Okay, Superman, sit up.
STU: I'm not Superman!
GLENN: Sit down on your cape. I'm opening up zip it!
STU: Mr. Work ethic here says you can fall asleep at work.
GLENN: Zip it!
STU: I love this new rule. You don't understand how much better my life's going to be.
GLENN: I will put you to sleep in a minute. Here's the thing. I'm not saying I want to, I'm not saying it's okay. I'm saying it happens. It happens.
STU: So it's okay.
GLENN: No. It happens!
STU: ... so it's okay in this scenario. Let's excuse his actions is what you're saying.
GLENN: It is not, it is not unreasonable for pipe down.
GLENN: It is not unreasonable for somebody who is overseeing the economy and I gotta believe is working a bazillion hours to be in a meeting where those meetings that he was in, that's not, "Hey, let's buckle down and get this right." That is a PR meeting. That's a meeting where you heard, you are hearing the president say the things you hear him say on camera all the time, blah, blah blah, blah blah, blah blah. This is a show piece. At some point, you know, when the firefighters are standing off line and they're you know, they've been in fighting a fire the whole time and then they're like, okay, let's have a press conference, the guy sitting over there who's not going to speak, you think the guy who's been fighting the fire is not like, "Oh, jeez, I just... (snoring)." You bet he is.
STU: First of all, your analogy doesn't work at all when you have firefighters who are literally arsonists, the economy.
GLENN: He's been up all night pouring gasoline.
STU: Second of all, yes, there comes a time. And if you're up for seven million hours in a row
GLENN: I'm not even going to talk to you.
STU: But listen to me. Is the time twice in the first three months in the presidency?
GLENN: I'm not saying
STU: Is that acceptable?
GLENN: Okay, that's a good point. I'm not saying okay, no.
STU: Thank you.
GLENN: Yeah, but I mean, here's the thing. I will grant you that it does appear to be a pattern with him, okay? But who hasn't, who hasn't fallen asleep, besides the all knowing, all perfect, I walk on water Stu, who hasn't fallen asleep in a meeting?
STU: Are you
GLENN: I sat there in a meeting this week, a meeting that I wanted to have, that was important, with a very important person and all maybe it's just me, but I sat there and you can feel it coming. And you're like, oh, no, no, no, no, no! No, no, you're awake, you're awake, you're awake. Go, go, go, go, go, you're awake, you're awake, think of something. And then all your eyes start to roll and you're like, oh, no. Please, no, please, no, this is so disrespectful. No, I'm awake, I want to hear you, I want to... (snoring). That's what happens.
STU: I'm not saying there aren't people tempted to fall asleep in meetings.
GLENN: It's not a temptation. It's like, would you like some chocolate cake? No, you're fighting it.
STU: You are fighting it. You are fighting a temptation.
STU: You want to close those eyes.
GLENN: At some point, at some point
STU: Normal people don't hit that point. That's what I'm going to say. I'm not saying that it's never happened, maybe one time in your life and it's an embarrassing story you tell for the rest of it, but I'm telling you that the majority of people have never one time fallen asleep in a meeting at work, ever.
GLENN: Normal people have never fallen asleep in a meeting, ever, normal people? I just want to make sure I have this right. Normal people have never, ever fallen asleep in a meeting?
STU: And if they have, it's a huge incident that they remember for the rest of their life: Oh, my God, I actually fell asleep in a meeting, I was actually asleep. It's a big deal.
GLENN: Not talking about getting a pillow and drooling on yourself and laying your head down. You're talking about nodding off. This is not true.
STU: It is.
GLENN: I see people at church and they're I mean, they sit there and they will have their head up and they are like fighting it, fighting it, fighting it.
STU: God is for giving. Your boss isn't.
GLENN: You are so out of touch. Ask Dan.
STU: Dan, have you ever fallen asleep in a meeting?
DAN: You know, here's the thing, Stu, and this is crazy. I do my sleeping at home.
STU: Oh, do you?
DAN: I do.
STU: What do you do at work, though?
GLENN: You don't work hard enough then! I'm not working
STU: The people who stay awake at work don't work hard enough! (Laughing). But the ones who are able to stay awake
GLENN: I hear what it is. I hear what it is.
DAN: I'm sleeping at work now.
GLENN: I got so much time, I can sleep all I want.
DAN: I hear you.
STU: The people who somehow managed to get through another Woodrow Wilson speech, those are the people who are.
DAN: I think there's a new policy here. I think we have to start sleeping through meetings in order to get better job reviews here.
GLENN: No, no. No, no, I get it, I get it. You guys go get your nappy naps. You guys go ahead, you get tucked in bed at 9:00 at night.
STU: You are the one saying nappy nap. You are the one falling asleep. You are saying this, not us. We're saying we stay awake for work.
DAN: Yes. Doesn't mean we're not tired. We just stay awake. Now Glenn, let me ask you this, you said the people in church are nodding off. I've been tired in church, too. Hold on a second.
GLENN: Wait, wait. Wait, I want to make sure, Mr. Media Matters, that you haven't taken this out of I'm not saying that everybody is falling asleep.
DAN: No, I know.
GLENN: I have seen people fall asleep. You know, somebody will be talking or somebody and somebody will fall asleep and then they will just nod off. It's like when you're driving. You don't want to fall asleep when you're driving, but sometimes you're really tired and it just happens and you nod off and you're like, okay, okay.
DAN: Yes, I totally understand but this goes to Stu's temptation argument is that a lot of times you'll be like at church and there's really no reason for you to be tired. It's like 10:00 in the morning or 9:30 in the morning and then you get home and maybe a football game's on and, bam, you are wide awake. It's weird how that works. It's almost like the interest level causes you to be asleep or awake.
GLENN: I don't think so.
STU: Most of the time.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. But that goes into what I said about Larry Summers then. I personally, I'm very interested in like this meeting I had this week, I was very interested. I'm just tired. Now maybe that's just me, but I'm just tired. I work, Stu, for a live.
STU: Do you? Do you?
GLENN: Shhh. Keep that to yourself. Let's not argue that point.