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GLENN: Let's go to Raj in Philadelphia, hello, Raj.
CALLER: How in the world does being a progressive, a reactionary, a person who reacts to the climate of their times, how in the world does that make you antifreedom when most every social and political battle that took place in this country and was one was spearheaded by progressive and progressive organizations and groups? How does that make you antifreedom?
GLENN: Explain early as Hillary Clinton calls it, early 20th Century American progressivism. What does it believe?
CALLER: I'm not sure. I don't want to get into trying to explain it. I'm not too familiar with it.
GLENN: Explain progressive. Explain progressivism as understand it.
CALLER: How will you answer my question with a question?
GLENN: I cannot answer your question, sir, if I don't know how you define progressivism.
CALLER: I'll let you know. I look at progressivism as reactionaries.
GLENN: What does that mean?
CALLER: A person who reacts and changes along with the climate of our times. People who are willing to move forward and get things done according to the climate of our times. There were years centuries ago when homosexuals were not being looked as they are looked at now in our country. But because progressives, because this happened to be whatever you call it, this is just a trend, a culture of part of our culture of this country of homosexuals getting their rights and doing the things they want to do, we, progressives, are those who went to fight for laws and freedoms for homosexuals to be able to do the things that they are able to do now that they weren't able to do 40 or 50, 60 years ago in this country. Do you understand that?
GLENN: First of all, yeah, you don't have to talk down to me, Raj. First of all, I never heard reactionary ‑‑
CALLER: I'm just not as articulate as you are, that's all, Glenn.
GLENN: First of all, I've never heard the word reactionary used as a positive before. And I can understand why you now don't understand progressivism as anything other than freedom because you have one part of it actually right. The one part that you do understand, unfortunately you don't apparently know the history or you've chosen to dismiss it because you didn't include it, and that's the important part, the one part that you do have is the evolutionary idea of the progressive movement. The progressive movement really grew out of the same time that Darwinism did. That's why the progressive movement were the ones that came up with ‑‑ what do you call it? Eugenics. Because they have this idea that man progresses. Man changes. Man evolves. And so the best idea, the eugenics came from the progressive idea of evolution, came from the idea of we can make a better society by not allowing those people that are not as whole, not as people, not a quality of life, inferior in some way or another, including African‑Americans, those were included in the early 20th Century American progressives. What they decided to do is either not let them mate or ex terminate. That's what it turned into over in Europe when it left our shores. Promoted by doctors, it left our shores and became "let's ex terminate those and we can have a master race." That was a progressive idea.
The other way that they took evolutionary ideas is they said "there is no truth. It evolves. So we hold these truths to be self‑evident, the early 20th Century progressives said" those truths were self‑evident then. But there is no self‑evident now that relates back then. All truth is up to the individual in his time period. There is no self‑truth.
So you have that part down. You have the "let's just evolve." but what you don't have down is the idea that there is no God. There is nature's God and nature's laws do not exist. There is the idea that the progressives have ‑‑ and that is: God doesn't exist, therefore the state must exist. The state is the one that gives you the rights. It tells you ‑‑ it, you, man, is not born with rights given or endowed unto him by his creator. He is not born with rights. The state issues those rights and the state can take those rights away at any time if it is deemed in the self‑interest for the collective. That's the part you're missing is you want to look at the collective as a happy thing. But if the collective is run by people that don't necessarily agree with you, well, then you're out. What would happen, Raj, if you didn't like the new truth?
CALLER: But that is not really considered the new truth. That's someone else's understanding of what they want to consider the new truth.
GLENN: Let's just say, Raj, let's just say, because the Republicans have been progressives, as well. George Bush is a progressive.
GLENN: You agree with that, Raj?
GLENN: Did you agree with George Bush in all of his truths?
GLENN: So the stronger the government gets, Raj, under a progressive, the stronger it gets, the more rights it takes from the people that they don't agree with. That's why you don't want to get into bed with progressives, on Republicans or Democrats, because you have the rights; they don't see it that way. The state does for the good of the collective. But if you happen to be on the opposing side, well then you've just lost everything. So if you didn't like George Bush and you thought he was taking away freedoms, then you should understand the progressive movement.