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GLENN: There's a story about how Michael Bloomberg is paying kids to get good grades in school, and it's working. I'm sorry. I don't care if it's working. I mean, are we really to the point to where we'll pay kids not just to we're giving them a free education. We're going to pay them if they get certain grades. What is the next I've been trying to noodle this this morning. What's the next step from that? Everybody will just because that's the problem with I think our society is we just concentrate on the first step: Well, okay, we're going to do that. Well, what does that lead to? What's the next thing? Can anybody be a stunt brain for me on that, call me up? 888 727 BECK. Because I know and it ain't gonna be good.
For instance, if you do community service, you get, you know, better chance of getting admissions into college. Well, what is the next step on that? People aren't doing community service unless they get something out of it. Barack Obama now wants to do this national service program. It's a nightmare. You should serve because again, again the progressive idea never perfects man. It forces man to do something. Community service should be because you want to serve your community, not because you get paid for it, not because, you know, you get a good grade for it, not because you get into college, not because you get a scholarship, not because you get college money. You should do it because it's the right thing to do.
STU: Isn't this, though, just I mean, isn't it essentially the same thing as an allowance for chores? I mean, you should be doing chores anyway, helping around the house. But you give an allowance. I mean, it teaches it's essentially using the principles of capitalism to get things done. I'm generally in favor of that.
GLENN: Okay, here's the difference. With chores you're earning your keep. With chores you just don't live in the house for free. Everybody works together. You help put the groceries away, you take out the garbage. We're a team. We're working together.
STU: Right. You are earning your keep. You are getting something for free that you should be working for anyway. Why give an allowance?
GLENN: Right. But you are not giving this for free. You are not getting an education for free. We're already paying for it. So we're already giving you something.
STU: So in essence they are giving a little bit of money back. What's the problem? A performance based incentive. I don't know what your issue with that is.
GLENN: You're serious?
STU: Mildly. But I mean, I could I am a little torn on something like that because in a way and again, I don't know how these people can figure out that capitalism works in this scenario and it doesn't work in any of the other ones. This is the only time they can ever figure it out. But in essence you are rewarding good performance. I don't necessarily have a problem with that. Although it's
GLENN: It's not your job. It's your honor, it's your privilege.
GLENN: It is accept the gift. And if you don't want the gift, then don't take the gift. But I'm not going to bail you out for the rest of your life, either. See, this is the problem. People don't apply themselves because they don't have to.
STU: But here if they do apply themselves, they get rewarded. That's a principle that is taught
GLENN: They get rewarded in life. You get rewarded in life. You get a good education, there are rewards that come with a good education. It's free.
STU: But you are saying one reward is free and the other isn't.
GLENN: No. The reason why nobody takes their education seriously is because you don't have to pay for it, you don't have to work for nothing. It means nothing, you get it for free, you gotta do it. It's the same with public housing versus private housing. If you give somebody a stake, if they've had to work for their house and they have a stake in that house, chances are they take much better care of it. But if it's just a free house, they don't care.
STU: Right. But if you are talking about results, I mean, again no one would ever propose this. But if you are talking about results and you paid the people living in public housing to take care of it, you can be sure that they probably would.
GLENN: This is me being a Hertz rental car company, okay? This is me saying, "Oh, you want to rent a car? Okay. Why don't you rent the car and, by the way, you are coming into Chicago and I just love you being in Chicago. So I'm going to give you the car for free. And I'm going to pay you for not hitting other cars." Return the car and take care of the car. But if I gave you the car for free, you wouldn't.
STU: But in essence when you are renting a car like that, there is part of the price that's built in that they are taking extra money for people who don't do that. So
GLENN: Yeah, but this is a free one. They are not paying for this.
STU: They are not paying for
GLENN: This is free education.
STU: They are paying for it in taxes, in theory.
GLENN: Uh huh.
STU: If they weren't billions of dollars in debt, that argument would make sense.
STU: But you know what I'm saying. In theory the system is paid for by this is what they argue with healthcare, too. In theory we could pay people to go and take these tests every once in a while so we can make sure they are actually healthy and not just overlooking easily cured things.
GLENN: I don't buy that for a hundred different reasons. It makes me angry that we're giving somebody for free it's like, hey, come to my ice cream store; I'm going to give you free ice cream. Oh, and if you don't trash my place, I'll pay you for it.
STU: But is there a possibility that this actually let's just take that we live in a world that's insane. We've got that on the table. But isn't there a possibility that you actually are teaching a kid a capitalist principle?
GLENN: Yeah. I was going to say the only explanation that I the only theory that I'll entertain is that it is teaching capitalism.
GLENN: But at the same time I guarantee the tests include things that are anticapitalist.
STU: If you understand socialism really well, you'll get a capitalism benefit.
GLENN: It's just ridiculous.