GLENN: Okay, here's Arlen Specter. Now, how did Arlen Specter used to vote, Stu?

STU: Well

GLENN: Oh, he's got it right here.

STU: I've got it right here. Arlen Specter was, as you remember him and frustrating to conservatives, a Republican that tended to vote with Democrats more often than Republicans.

GLENN: Yes.

STU: Which was our problem with him initially.

GLENN: But it wasn't like overwhelming. It was just on key issues if I'm not mistaken.

STU: These are taken on the contentious votes. So not, you know, the sort of

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: You know, the votes that don't mean anything.

GLENN: Yeah.

STU: These are the contentious votes. Now, this is while he was a Republican before this year, before an important Quinnipiac poll would show him behind in the primary, the Republican primary. So his normal voting was 58%. With the Democrats, he's a Republican, voting with the Democrats 58% of the time.

GLENN: Now do we have the audio of how he said, "I'm not going to change." Do we have that audio?

STU: Yes, we do.

GLENN: Go ahead. Play the audio here.

VOICE: I will not be changing my own personal independence or my own approach to individual issues. I will not be leaving an automatic 60th vote. I know some of the media stories since my statement was released this morning are taking a look at the 60th vote and I will not be an automatic 60th vote. And I will illustrate that by my position on employees choice, also known as card check. I think it is a bad deal and I'm opposed to it and would not vote to

GLENN: Okay, so what he's saying here I think we got it. What he's saying here is he's not going to be a 60th vote.

PAT: He is not going to be an automatic vote.

GLENN: He won't be an automatic vote. He is not going to change didn't he say he is not going to change the way he votes?

PAT: Not going to change the way I vote.

GLENN: Or he is not going to change his viewpoints.

PAT: None of my viewpoints.

GLENN: Don't count him in.

PAT: I am the same maverick, which I have always been. My friend, John McCain says.

GLENN: All right.

STU: So follow this time line. The beginning of the year he's voting 58% with the Democrats as a Republican.

GLENN: 58%, 58% as a Republican.

PAT: That sounds about right, 58%.

STU: But then he gets Pat Toomey is going to enter the race, there is a big poll that comes out where he is 12 points behind Toomey. So he is a Republican now having a challenge from the right. In fact, a lot more Republican. He goes from 58% agreeing with the Democrats down to 16%.

PAT: That's absolute coincidence, absolute coincidence. It just happened to be better Republican.

STU: Exactly. Thank you, Arlen. So then he makes this speech saying he's not going to just all of a sudden change and become a

GLENN: 68 to 16 in the other direction.

STU: Right.

GLENN: But then when the polls don't change, he decides to jump ship.

STU: Right. And he decides to become a Democrat. So he goes from 16% voting with the Democrats to 69%.

PAT: Another flabbergasting coincidence. There's liable to be some Democratic bills that came along that I happen to be in favor of. That's all that is.

GLENN: That's all that is.

PAT: Conspiracy theory, helicopter, oh, my God.

GLENN: No, there's no helicopter. Those are the polls shifting so fast.

STU: But, of course, that's not the end of the story.

GLENN: No.

STU: Because Arlen Specter goes over to the Democratic Party and now he's being challenged from the left. Someone supposedly more liberal than him.

GLENN: So he goes more left.

STU: So he goes even more left. So he goes from 69% voting with the Democrats now to 97%.

PAT: What did I tell you? I said I wasn't going to be automatic.

GLENN: (Laughing).

PAT: That's not automatic, is it?