GLENN: By the way, Stu, did you read the Salon article? Did you see? Did you happen to see?
STU: I did not read it. I did hear about it, though, as well.
GLENN: I heard it because here it is. Glenn Beck's legions head to the town halls. Staring down an angry crowd of constituents in his Spartanburg town hall meeting, Representative Bob Inglis, a Republican from South Carolina, found himself competing with Glenn Beck for the audience's loyalties.
You know, not, not even. Nobody I'm not competing with anyone. These people don't even understand who you are yet again. They think that you are loyal to me. You're not. I'm loyal to you, you're loyal to me as citizens that care about the truth. They just, they don't get it.
STU: Yeah. They take it as a popularity contest.
STU: Social networking sites.
GLENN: Here's what's here is what's popular. Not me. The Constitution.
STU: You know, people like it.
GLENN: It's crazy.
STU: I've seen that over and over again.
GLENN: And though Beck wasn't even there, Inglis wasn't coming out ahead. Were you told congressman advising his constituents, turn the television off when he comes on, he was greeted with jeers. Beck's name doesn't usually come up that inexplicably in town halls that hasn't gotten so much attention lately, but Fox News host is in a sense the voice of protests.
No. The people are the voice of protests. You know what I heard? Who was it last night said, was it the president's people? I'm trying to remember who said this where they said, you know, the 9 first during the first during the immigration rallies talk radio drove it, and talk radio was the big force there that drove people out on the streets. Now it's the now the right has used these town halls to move people. You've got to be kidding me.
STU: (Laughing). Really?
GLENN: Yeah. And you notice what they tried to do is get rid of talk radio, and they're gonna do that. It's only a matter of time. But they're trying to get rid of talk radio and then the second now the town halls? What are they doing? "Oh, we're not going to have a town hall. We're not going to have..." they just eliminate the ways for people to reach them.
STU: Yeah. And what's fascinating here is this remember the narrative we're all supposed to believe is that you are a Republican mouthpiece and all the people going to these Republican mouthpieces. Yet look at the letter. Representative Bob Inglis, R, South Carolina.
GLENN: Yeah, I know.
STU: This is not about parties.
GLENN: I know. The spirit of impending apocalyptic conflict and deep civilizational peril that pervades his show.
STU: Can we put that in the slogan? Deep civilizational peril. Love it.
GLENN: I think we should have that as a slogan on the website, Glenn Beck program, deep civilizational peril. It certainly animates the protest for one thing.
You know what? Let me ask you this question. Is it possible and listen carefully to the question. Is it possible that Barack Obama is the last president? When I say that, let me rephrase the question. Is it possible that John McCain could have been the last president? Give either one of these two or anybody that would be going down the road of this kind of dramatic spending and disenfranchisement and give them eight years. What's left at the end of eight years?
David Walker told us that Social Security and Medicare, Medicaid by 2016 and then 2018, done, right? Remember? With as much spending as we are doing now and with the tax receipts going down as much and as many people unemployed so they can't pay into their Social Security which is now currently that's not being saved that's paying for the old people. With seven million people no longer paying into that system, what's left in eight years? Who wants to be president in eight years? Who could be president in eight years? And survive? Because they've made our choices. The choices that we knew and have known for 30 years were coming our way, they've made our choices on both sides of the aisle impossible because you're going to have to shut everything down. We've built our economy around things that are absolutely unsustainable. So the pain, every day that goes by, the pain that we're going to feel in eight years, it will become suicidal pain.
STU: Do you believe that this writer somehow got the sense of deep civilizational peril from this program?
GLENN: I can't
STU: How do they do that? That's just, out of the apocalyptic conflict, what?
GLENN: Very good point. Plus he's even had a hand, albeit somewhat indirectly in organizing the people who are showing up at the community centers and schools all over the country. Really? Albeit somewhat indirectly? I haven't been doing meeting schedules. I don't know if anybody knows that.
Back in March Beck launched what he called the 9/12 Project meant to recall the spirit of the country right after the attacks of September 11. The project has nine principles, twelve values which mainly run along the guys of America is good, literally. I think they're mocking that there. The episode in which he announced the idea probably the most famous of the show's whole run, it's the one where Beck repeatedly appears to choke up and cries, they don't surround us, WE Surround Them.
STU: Not appears. It actually was happening.
GLENN: Yeah, uh huh, yeah. And I just want you to know, proud of it. Proud of it.
STU: You're proud of thinking America is good?
GLENN: I know, and I stand by they don't surround us; WE Surround Them.
The 9/12 Project looked like a vanity project for Beck at first.
Oh, really? It did? Hmmm.
A gimmick to promote its show. Hmmm. To who? The people that would join? The people we were targeting, you know, Americans? Or to the press? But apparently it's really taken off. Wait a minute, this is sounding like Salon has endorsed the 9/12 Project. There's virtually no place in the country that doesn't have a 9/12 chapter. They're organized generally along the lines of meetup.com, the online club forming system that was the backbone of the then innovative online presence of Howard Dean's 2004 presidential campaign. I clicked through the websites of about a dozen 9 12 chapter websites. Every single one of them has got listings of upcoming congressional events in the district. (See Georgia’s, for example). The fact that organizations are helping to make the protests happen doesn't make the protests fake. The protests would be fake if the people raising a ruckus were just paid goons. They obviously aren't
So wait a minute. Just paid goons, that would be like ACORN, SEIU? The lady who I'm going to expose on television tonight? I don't want to give you any more.
STU: This one's going to be really solid.
GLENN: This is so great. This is. When you see the video tonight, oh, you'll I mean, just, may I just say you might want to have low lights, soft music, maybe a little candlelight when I show you tonight this video right out of the chute on the show. Hmmm, it's going to be a Barry White moment.
They obviously are not fake, nor are they union folks showing up to support healthcare reform. Beck talks about some of the town halls and endorses the protests but this is clearly a freestanding grassroots phenomena.
GLENN: Excuse me?
STU: Wait a minute. That's the
GLENN: Hold it. What?
STU: Somebody's not watching enough MSNBC because you would learn
GLENN: No, no, no. All the people that work at NBC, I mean, a lot of them well, not all of them. There's a few of them that watch MSNBC.
GLENN: Yeah. But other than that, I don't know else who is oh, these people are...
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GLENN: The 9/12 organizers are getting a hand from the group called Recess Rally. The basic idea never heard of that is to extend the organizations behind the tea parties in a town hall disrupting business. Here is Beck recommending Recess Rally as a resource? Hang on just a second. I don't even know what Recess Rally is.
The folks at
STU: I'll look into it.
GLENN: Okay, this is posted by editor on the 9/12 project. The folks at Recess Rally have put together a handy clickable site that will tell you who needs to hear from you. Go ahead, start clicking. My editor has endorsed that, not me. Reports of disorderly town halls are peppered with references to Glenn Beck. Reports of disorderly town halls are peppered with references to Glenn Beck. This story of a protest outside Obama's New Hampshire event quotes the head of the New Hampshire 9/12 Project. The chance outside the meeting in Tampa appeared to be incited by the local 9/12 chapter there. Salon's Caitlin Shamberg found a couple of different references to Beck at the Pennsylvania town hall. The man speaking at the beginning of this video brandishing 1,000 pages to show how scary healthcare reform is is Peter Trippett, the head of the Pennsylvania 9/12 chapter. Amen, brother! 9/12ers, you're making a difference.
STU: They're noticing.
GLENN: They're noticing you. They are
STU: You are in their heads, that's for sure. They are.
GLENN: There's nothing better, there is nothing better.
Also note a woman explaining a letter in a video, a lot of it my information is from Glenn Beck and Fox News. It is clear that the fears voiced by town hall protestors borrow a page out of Beck's book as well. The woman who shouted at Arlen Specter, "I don't want this turning this country turning into Russia" is hardly the one person to express such a concern, and Beck is hardly the one to express such a concern?
STU: Hardly the only person.
GLENN: Oh, hardly the only person, I'm sorry. And Beck is arguably the pioneer of the “Obama is a [insert type of totalitarian here]”. He’s repeatedly warned that insufficient vigilance will mean a dictator in the White House.
Repeatedly? It's not like I show it every show. By the way, if we don't watch these guys, I think there might be a dictator in the White House one day. Hmmm. I'm sorry. I'm just you don't have to quote me. When Salon is quoting me, they should put a footnote there. I'm just quoting the founding fathers. By the way, I'm going on vacation next week but when I return... but when I return, I'm going to show you some of the ties that bind. And when I say bind, I don't mean bind them together. I mean bind you. I'm going to show you the evil that is inside this administration, show you the things that I've been working on for a while that will absolutely boggle your mind. I'm going to need you back here and on television a week from Monday.
All right. Is there anything else in this story?
STU: I have not finished the whole thing, but it does seem to be, I would say, generally positive.
STU: Understanding what the movement actually is which is regular people getting together and getting really annoyed at the things our government is doing to us, which is what it is.
GLENN: In addition to healthy organized attendance for congressional events, the 9/12ers seem especially interested in preparing for the day when they lose the political battle and have to fight a real one. The Asheville, North Carolina chapter is learning Krav Maga, a martial art developed for the Israeli Defense Forces. I think that's pretty smart.
STU: Learning a
GLENN: I think that's pretty smart.
STU: Learning martial arts does not necessarily mean you are planning a
GLENN: Of course it does. It means that the next thing you are going to try to do is buy black market tanks.
STU: But I think like if you have a bunch of kids with yellow belts, I don't think they are going to take over the government.
GLENN: In Rochester, New York, there's a workshop on how to make 72 hour survival kits. There's no need for that. This is a 72 hour revolution. There might be a shortage of food while we dismantle the government and create a new one all in three days.
GLENN: So I think he's got you there. Rochester, what are you doing exposing our plans!
STU: (Laughing). We move quickly. I mean, even Obama says six months.
GLENN: It's an emergency, quick! We've got to dismantle this one, build another one and restart it by Monday!
STU: It's important, Glenn, to make sure you have the food and that you need for the entire three days. Remember, if you have the rationed food items, you need them for all three days, not just one.
GLENN: I think people learned that in New Orleans, if they just would have had three days of rations, everything would have been okay.