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GLENN: I mean, look at the size of this Washington Post article?
PAT: It's printed out. So it's one, two, three, four? Four pages, printed.
GLENN: I mean, four full pages.
PAT: I don't know what it looks like in the paper.
GLENN: It's huge.
PAT: At least a two page, three.
GLENN: It's huge.
GLENN: Now, I want to read this to you because remember the politics of the past are over. You've tried to destroy me personally. Then you tried to destroy my business. Then you tried to destroy me and drive a wedge between me and Fox News. Then you tried to destroy Fox News. Well, none of those things have worked. So now what you have to do is destroy everybody around me to isolate me as much as gee, that sounds like Saul Alinsky. Isolate me. Make sure nobody will talk to me. I got news for you, man. Except for the White House my phone is ringing all the time. I can't tell you how many people are coming out of the woodwork to squeal on the corruption that is going on. We're working on stories now that will boggle your mind. I think we have one maybe coming out today, maybe. If not today, then it's going to be tomorrow. And tomorrow I unveil the blue, the blue curtained chalkboard. Tomorrow I show you the radicals that are around what it all means.
All right. Listen to this. Beck's guru proves no PR man is anile. Okay. Beck's guru. Who would you say, if I had to ask, who do you think my guru is? I mean, I guess, I guess maybe the only one I would ever consider a guru would be Jon Huntsman, and that's a personal guru. I mean, that's a guy who's teaching me how to live as an honest, decent man. I think that's the only one. Can any can you guys think of anybody that you would consider my guru?
STU: Satan, Hitler?
GLENN: Okay. Well, besides those obvious ones.
STU: No, I don't think so. I don't think of you as a guru type of guy.
STU: I mean, you have people that you
GLENN: I look up to.
STU: You look up to.
GLENN: I really
PAT: Carrot top. Carrot top has been a long time guru of yours.
STU: And, of course, you've obviously said before that your two favorite political philosophers, one of them is Mao.
GLENN: No, uh uh.
PAT: Isn't that the speech you turn to most?
GLENN: No, uh uh. Would you even put Jon Huntsman, Sr. as a guru?
STU: I would.
GLENN: Would you?
STU: He's a guy who has influences the way you do business, influences the way you live your personal life, not politics. But I think those two personal things he definitely does.
GLENN: Yeah. And that's as close as I get.
PAT: I would say, I mean, you look up to him, of course, as many of us do, but have you changed anything based on what he's done?
GLENN: No. I think of him all the time. But I think of him all the time. I think of I mean, he is the business philosopher that I think of most, to quote Anita Dunn, although she was saying political and it was Mao. Mine is business and it's just one of the most ethical men I know. You know, and he hasn't killed 70 million people. In fact, he's saving lives, but that's a different story.
So that's the closest I mean, other than that I'd have to go back to, like, Michael O'Shea from when I was 16 years old as a guy who taught me how to do radio.
STU: Right. Guru to me seems like someone who's leading your life in a certain direction.
GLENN: Teaching you.
GLENN: No, I just watch Jon Huntsman. Okay. So here it is. Beck's guru proves no PR man is anile. Now, listen to the destructive force of this, and this isn't named at me. A few weeks after September 11th, 2001, Glenn Beck, a young Tampa Bay disc jockey I wasn't a disc jockey in Tampa. I was a talk show host.
STU: I mean, that's your first sentence is not even factual.
PAT: It's an attempt to diminish.
PAT: Because disc jockey sounds a lot worse than talk show host.
STU: It's worth playing songs. To be a disc jockey, you have to be playing songs.
GLENN: A young Tampa Bay disc jockey eager to break into conservative talk radio. I was in talk radio for a year at this point, over a year.
PAT: More than that.
GLENN: A year and nine months.
STU: So we're two sentences in and we have already two actual errors.
GLENN: He called his new Manhattan agent George Hiltzik to help arrange a visit to Ground Zero.
PAT: He wasn't even new then.
GLENN: No. 1999.
PAT: Yeah, two years old by then.
GLENN: Hiltzik directed Beck to his 29 year old son Matt who had returned to his job with a Tribeca based studio head Harvey Weinstein after electing Hillary Rodham Clinton to the U.S. Senate. I wasn't sure of all of his positions at the time, Hiltzik said of Beck's enthusiastic conservative views. I knew he was not like a big Democrat. Washington Post says, to say the least. In the years since their first encounter
By the way, do you find it ironic that the Washington Post engages in this kind of stuff when the Washington Post is the one that had the cojones, the only one that had the cojones to expose Nixon? Everything that is said about me now was said about the Washington Post everything that's being said about Fox was said about the Washington Post. Everything that was said about me was said by the Nixon administration and their allies about Woodward and Bernstein.
PAT: It's perfectly
GLENN: Not saying I'm Woodward and Bernstein any stretch of the imagination but isn't it weird that the same battle is going on and the same words are being used.
PAT: I'm sure it's completely consistent because Nixon was a Republican.
STU: Yeah. It's ideological, right?
GLENN: In the years since their first encounter, Beck had become arguably the most influential and incendiary critic in America. He's called President Obama a racist, compared him to Hitler I don't think I've ever compared him to Hitler.
PAT: I don't think so.
GLENN: And forced the firing of several administration appointees. I haven't forced the firing of anybody. I've asked questions.
STU: And they have been very clear, he stepped down.
GLENN: Yeah, he wasn't fired. Even though I've read a memo lately anyway. This month the White House retaliated against Beck's wait a minute. The White House retaliated? No, I thought they were just stating facts. Retaliated against Beck's outlet, Fox News Channel, but the resulting controversy has only boosted Beck's notoriety which is Hiltzik's professional concern.
By the way, if Matthew Hiltzik was so good at a PR agent, you'd think we would be reading that we were now the number 2 TV show in cable news.
PAT: I haven't seen that anywhere, even though we are.
GLENN: I mean, it's no big deal, but it's 5:00 in the afternoon.
My job is to look out for his personal business interests and try to weave them in well with his partners, said hill sec, whose boutique PR firm hill sec's strategy's boutique. Oh, Matthew, stop catering to the elite. Has represented Beck since 2007. We give strategic counsel which includes managing the profile of business. When I'm ticking politicians, employees or business partners, I focus on their character and not their political parties, Beck said in a statement, and I know that I trust Matthew's character.
Now, you would think that that might be important. What was it, oh, yeah, content of a man judge a man by the content of his character, not the card of his political party.
The close friendship and lucrative business relationship has developed between the 45 year old conservative fire brand oh, jeez, am I turning into John McCain? And the 37 year old former Democratic operative shows how partisan media personalities get discovered, promoted and catapulted in the political stratosphere even when the talent and the talent broker have opposing ideologies. Yeah, it's called America. But for Hiltzik's former Democratic allies, the alliance is still mostly shocking.
PAT: Wouldn't you think this would be a good thing?
GLENN: You would.
PAT: To these liberals who are so open? All night long it's diversity and inclusion.
GLENN: I'm a uniter, not a divider. I have many varied voices around me.
STU: Bringing people together, Glenn.
GLENN: That's all I'm doing. Now, I will tell you that I will bring a Democrat into the in fact, I have several liberals that work for me, and I don't have a problem with it. I love it because they're open minded enough to think out of the box, and they help me think out of the box. I think that's fantastic. Now, I'm not so diverse that I include Marxist revolutionaries in my circle of influence.
PAT: Maybe you should look at that.
GLENN: Yeah. "It's surprising," said Bill de Blasio, who ran Hillary Clinton's Senate campaign, for which Hiltzik served as the go to liaison to New York's Jewish community. "He worked for the state Democratic Party, he worked for Hillary Clinton in 2000, he is as solid a Democrat as you can imagine. Former New York governor Eliot Spitzer who benefitted from Hiltzik's help
PAT: Here's a guy you want to listen to.
GLENN: Yeah, and I wish I would have known about this. I'm questioning Hiltzik's character here. Helped him break through in 1998 to win and become the attorney general was astonished. They went to Eliot Spitzer. "I hire on character." They go to Eliot Spitzer. He was astonished that the guy he knew as the state party's lead spokesperson was now representing the man who some in the White House see as public enemy number one. Spitzer called Hiltzik a friend and a thoughtful reasoned advocate certainly at the time. Matthew's just not into hookers. That's the deal. For the Democratic principles that I was running on and most of my colleagues believe in, Matthew was there. Other Hiltzik allies resort to strange bedfellow teasing. Listen to this. Imagine, imagine a conservative saying this. "Everyone knows they're dating," joked Harvey Weinstein, who called his former right hand a deeply religious, brilliant guy. "It must be that kind of attraction, you know. I can't see any other reason."
STU: Oh, so it's a gay joke?
GLENN: So it's a gay joke. I think it's a gay joke. I'm not sure.
STU: We understand, that's okay, Harvey Weinstein.
GLENN: You know, it would be interesting to see I mean, besides gay attraction who called his former right hand man a deeply religious, brilliant guy. Hmmm. Maybe I'm not a religious bigot and I respect people for their character and people who live their religion no matter what it is, and I look for very smart people to put around me. Hmmm. No, it can't be that. We must be gay.
His voice turning more serious, Weinstein said that there was perhaps a simple reason Hiltzik felt comfortable representing Beck. Okay? Here's the other reason. Instead of me hiring smart people and not being a religious bigot and looking for people who live their religious values because that shows me their character, instead of that, he has another idea.
I had a lot of actors Matt came in contact with, Weinstein said, and I just think Glenn is another one. So I'm a fraud. I'm an actor.
STU: So you're gay or you're a fraud. Are those the two
GLENN: I'm a gay fraud.
STU: You're a gay fraud. That's true. I should have allowed that third possibility.
GLENN: The ribbing and occasional
PAT: Not that there's anything wrong with gay frauds.
STU: Of course not.
PAT: You know.
GLENN: We're open, we're diverse.
PAT: Open, we're tolerant.
PAT: I don't have any problem with gay frauds.
GLENN: Hiltzik who also represents Katie Couric, Alec Baldwin, Annie Leibovitz and Don Imus said he has no problem weathering this storm. As a general rule, Hiltzik explains, I stand by people and I don't make decisions based on what other people think. Amen. An election maestro, a little in Hiltzik's little in Hiltzik's background suggests that he would end up in Beck's side. He grew up in affluent New Jersey suburb of Teaneck, New Jersey, and commuted to the exclusive Manhattan Jewish day school, blah, blah blah where other future Clinton operatives matriculated. He graduated from the Industrial Labor Relations School at Cornell University where he eagerly attended the many speeches of Hillary Clinton.
I've got to fire this guy today. As a law student at Fordham, Hiltzik became politically active. He volunteered for a successful bid to congress for somebody, inspired by her commitment to gun control. He also got to know people in politics and scored a gig as spokesman for the New York State Democratic Committee, helping Chuck Schumer unseat Senator Al D'Amato.
His success in getting Democrats elected caught the attention of Weinstein, the co founder of Miramax Films, who wanted to widen the footprint in Democratic politics. Miramax films, imagine this.
GLENN: Miramax films wanted to widen their footprint in Democratic politics. Hmmm. So he invented, Weinstein did, he invented a hybrid job for Hiltzik that would put the movie Honcho in the middle of the political action. Just sit back and just chew on that one for a while. In fact, I'm going to take a quick break and we'll come back. You just think about that one. Miramax films, without any problem from anybody. Remember talk radio is dangerous because we zombify you. Talk radio is dangerous because we talk politics and opinion and we tell you we're telling you our opinion the whole time. You're coming here for politics. But the Washington Post doesn't even see a problem. They don't even hesitate to say, wow, that sounds like propaganda. Putting political messages into films, where you are not going necessarily to get the political message. Maybe you're is there a... I mean, is... I mean, it could be prop, I'm no, don't think about it anymore.