GLENN: Hello, Debbie.
CALLER: Hi, Glenn.
GLENN: How are you?
CALLER: I'm pretty good. How are you?
GLENN: Very good.
CALLER: I wanted to call and talk to you today. For the first time I understand why people are wanting the government to help and to take over healthcare and why people are afraid.
GLENN: For the first time in your life you understand why people are afraid?
CALLER: Yeah. Yeah, because, because it's starting to affect me. And if I could just give you a small background. I'm a Reagan conservative. I've always been very conservative.
GLENN: You are very conservative.
CALLER: And I'm the type that would tell people, suck it up, quit whining, that type of thing. But then
GLENN: But you've never had to suck it up or quit whining yourself?
CALLER: No. Because I did everything right. I put myself through school, I took care of my kids when they were small, I stayed home with them. I went back to school, went back to work after they got into high school and at a university, and they told me, go back to college, get your master's, we'll put you in faculty, triple your salary. I went out, I got a $13,000 loan. I didn't depend on anybody to pay for it, and put myself through grad school and in April, a month before I graduated, I got laid off, and I'm sitting here now unemployed with a $13,000 bill over my head. I can't find a job, and I'm scared, Glenn. For the first time I don't know what to do. And I
GLENN: Debbie, I will tell you this. I understand, and this is what I've been saying for a while. When you introduce fear and hunger, people will turn to anyone that will have an answer. I have also been saying for the last couple of years, you must let it fail and when it's easy for people to say now, "Oh, yeah, we should let the big guys fail." I say that with knowledge of what is coming, and what is coming is a depression. If you let things fail, a depression is coming. And not a lot of people have spent a lot of time thinking about what does that mean. So I understand where you are because I have intellectually thought about it. But also, Debbie, I've been there. I have been there. I was thinking about it the other day. There was a Christmas with my kids that I had to shop at CVS. For any part anybody who lives in a part of the country where you don't have CVS, that's a little drugstore. That's Walgreens.
GLENN: And I couldn't afford some of the stuff in Walgreens. So I've been there. I know. It is a nightmare. But Debbie, this is, this is when you become who you really are. It's one thing to know something intellectually. It's one thing to say, "I'm a Reagan conservative; do it yourself," and everything goes right. It doesn't matter when everything is going right. That's why it's critical that people are allowed to fail. You don't know anything until you've had your mettle tested. So now's the time, Debbie, that you find out who you really are. Now's the time to find out are you a survivor or are you a victim? What can you weather?
CALLER: I always felt the people who failed over the people who didn't do it right.
GLENN: That's not the case. That's the case, that is the case for social justice. That is the case that, you know, "I did everything right and life isn't fair." Life is not fair. It's not. You could have you ever known anybody who is a bad person and succeeded?
CALLER: Oh, yeah.
CALLER: I met a lot of them.
GLENN: Have you ever met anybody who is just an unbelievably great person and has failed?
GLENN: Life isn't fair. There is no guarantee. Look, I am a firm believer in God. The only thing that got me through, Debbie, is God. That's it. And I've come to a real understanding. The only thing that God will give me is humility. I know I could pray today on my knees and beg him make me humble. Oh, he will by 5:00 this afternoon he will start answering that prayer for me.
CALLER: Oh, it's very humbling going to cash that unemployment check every month.
GLENN: I understand that. But Debbie, that unemployment check is there because of people like you. I have no problem with food stamps, welfare, unemployment checks, I have no problem... for the people like you who have done everything and now don't need a handout. Need a hand up. Those are the people that we help. But don't, don't you, A, give up. Understand that you are now is the time, Debbie, that you decide who you are. Do you really believe in the principles that you have espoused, that you've got to stand up on your own two feet?
CALLER: I do, but right now it's just, it's hard to keep believing it.
GLENN: You have how many
CALLER: I want to keep believing it.
GLENN: How many children do you have?
CALLER: I have two teenage sons.
GLENN: So you know the definition of "It's hard."
CALLER: I know, yeah, the definition of a grocery bill.
GLENN: Yeah, and you but you know the definition. Has it been easy to raise two sons?
CALLER: No. One of them's dyslexic.
CALLER: I homeschooled him. I stayed home to homeschool him.
GLENN: So it's been hard.
GLENN: Has it been worth it?
CALLER: Oh, yeah. He's brilliant.
GLENN: If you didn't have the hardship, do you think your sons or your relationship would be the same as it is today?
GLENN: So what you've just said is things that are worth it are hard.
CALLER: Yeah. Yeah. It's just tough.
GLENN: Debbie, I know this sounds like a bunch of bumper sticker talk.
GLENN: Because you are living in this right now, but so have I.
GLENN: So have I. And Debbie, I may live it again. I may live it again. It's okay. You know, I said to my daughters and they don't believe me. I said to my daughters, one of them was really, really struggling on some things and I said, make sure you write down a journal. Make sure you write down every thought because right now you will remember back on these, on these times as some of the best times of your life because if you don't just turn it into "Life isn't fair, I hate the world, it's all against me," if you don't turn it into that and you use it as a catalyst to search inside of yourself and to be able to see what am I, who am I, how do I survive, how do I hold it all together, you will you're going to grow, Debbie, like you've never grown before, and you will look back. I look back on the years of my real struggle when I wasn't drinking it away, drugging it away, lying it away, cheating it away, when I was actually saying, okay, I'm going to stand up on my own two feet. And I prayed every day, "Lord, I can't do it anymore!" When I look back on those years in my life now, they are some of my fondest memories. Because I learned who I was and I learned what I can do.
CALLER: I'm trying.
GLENN: You just hang in.
GLENN: You just hang in, Debbie.
GLENN: And know that in two years from now, you call me back, and you will if you don't give up and if you stand on your own two feet and you don't have any shame for taking the things that you've paid into, I've paid into and take those things and be responsible with them and stop that what will turn into addiction for a lot of people, stop that handout mentality and make sure you understand it always to be a hand up in troubled times, and you stop it the minute you have an ability to stand on your own two feet.
GLENN: You are going to call me in two years and you are going to say, "Glenn, I didn't believe you at the time, but these have been the best two years of my life."
GLENN: We'll pray for you, Debbie.
CALLER: Thank you.
GLENN: You bet.
CALLER: Appreciate it.
GLENN: You bet. Bye bye.