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GLENN: Here it is. This is Chris Matthews.
STU: First time heard in any broadcast format.
GLENN: No, he said it on a broadcast format.
STU: Yeah, first time we've heard on any broadcast format.
GLENN: Even the controls room of the Chris Matthews show is like, I can't do it, I can't do it. Fire me and just put a computer in my place, will you?
MATTHEWS: And I didn't see much excitement but among the older people there, I saw if not resentment, skepticism. I didn't see a lot of warmth in that crowd out there that the president shows to address tonight. And I thought that was interesting. He went to maybe the enemy camp tonight.
STU: Good terminology there.
GLENN: Like he's just figuring this out: I think the military
PAT: I don't think they like him.
GLENN: might have a problem with him and his policies.
STU: But enemy camp? We're talk this is
PAT: He can't say that.
STU: This is the military. This is not an analogy. Not using a military analogy for something else. This is the military.
GLENN: Let me just, let me just explain to Mr. Matthews, who may not understand how this system works. Unlike, you know, your beloved Venezuela, our troops serve the commander in chief and the Constitution of the United States. There have been many presidents that the military hasn't liked, but they follow orders and do what they're told.
STU: Look at the voting. I mean, every time it's, you know, they typically at least most recently vote for the Republican. They voted for John McCain. But that doesn't mean that they don't they are not going to do what Barack Obama tells them to do. It's like we had Marcus on the other day. He's like, just tell me to do my job. Just let me do my job, give me what I need and let me do my job.
GLENN: Even when they don't like them, they will still do the job.
PAT: They are not going to disagree about it.
GLENN: They are not going to be happy with these policies. I mean, hey, wow, that sounds like I could graduate and then go get killed. That sounds like fun. Thank you, Mr.
PAT: For absolutely no reason.
GLENN: Thank you, Mr. President. I'm trying to understand exactly this policy. If I may, if I'm not mistaken, it's the idea of war is the last person standing wins. Right?
PAT: Uh uh.
PAT: No. Not anymore.
GLENN: Okay. Because I'm wondering
PAT: It's a little different now.
STU: Politics of the past.
GLENN: I'm wondering if we were playing a game and it was the last person standing wins, if you were ahead, but if I ever got serious, I could just knock you out clean but you were, you know, you were like, "I think I might actually win this game because this opponent seems pretty distracted and not real committed." And then if I just said, "By the way, I've got to leave in five minutes, I'm leaving in five minutes, okay, I'm going to put some more players down on the field but then we're leaving. I'm just bringing them down so they can help bring everybody else out and I'm going to train, you know, your team a little bit," why wouldn't you just play out the five minute why wouldn't you just run out the clock?
PAT: You wouldn't be talking about this statement, would you?
PRESIDENT OBAMA: As commander in chief I have determined that it is our vital national interest
GLENN: To get out.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: To send an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. And then get out.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: After 18 months our troops will begin to come home.
PAT: I mean, the next sentence!
STU: Yeah. Wow.
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait, wait. Hang on just a second. See, I heard this as a writer. I heard this as a writer. Go ahead. Play it again. I'm going to show you one thing that the writer was thinking and I'll bet the TelePrompTer was thinking and I'll bet he was thinking. Here it is.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: As commander in chief, I have determined that it is in our vital national interest to send an additional 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan.
GLENN: Wait for applause.
PRESIDENT OBAMA: After 18 months our troops will begin to come home.
GLENN: That's why I mean, he was waiting.
GLENN: He was waiting and they're like, uh huh, uh huh.
PAT: Yeah, great.
GLENN: You better check yourself before you wreck yourself.
STU: Please don't do that again. Please never do that again.
GLENN: I think it was like Nancy Pelosi. It was like, you better check yourself before you wreck yourself. That thing is on YouTube and it's like, it's everywhere. This is really disturbing footage.
STU: You are just trying to torture your children for some bizarre reason.
GLENN: I am.
STU: It's one of those things, he seems to be acting as if this is some sort of last resort thing: We'll give it a whirl for another 18 months or 13 after the troops are actually there and it's like, are we in that position?
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
STU: Maybe we need to change the strategy, maybe we need to increase pressure but there's no timeline other than a self composed one and there's not like we're in the I understand that it's become more difficult, but it's not at this position where I hate to the only thing I can think of is a sports analogy, so just ignore this, Glenn. If you are down by, you know, 34 in the fourth quarter and you are just throwing it into the end zone in every play. There is no need for that at this point. You need to maybe refine, you need to change strategies, maybe change focus as it has become more violent lately but there's no need for that.
GLENN: May I just say if I'm the coach I'm sorry.
STU: Please don't try the sports.
GLENN: I call a timeout and I get everybody together and I say, kick their ass!
STU: Run it down their throats.
GLENN: And they go.
STU: Yeah, you run it down their throats.
GLENN: I mean, what, where it is in our vital national interest.
STU: For 13 months.
GLENN: Yeah. It's in our vital national interest, I think to send 35,000. 35, okay, they were asking for 60, minimum of 40. I'm going to send
GLENN: Because vital national interest.
STU: Our vital national interest is worth doing something about until next summer and when that happens, it's not so vital. It's no longer interesting to the nation.
GLENN: Here's a vital national interest: To win. That's the vital national interest.
STU: If you have an internal timeline. We talked about this when they were doing this debate when Romney and McCain and all these people were talking about all this. It's sensible to sit there internally and have a timeline to say, okay, let's hit this by this and hopefully we can get out by X. But the bottom line is those things change. There's no reason to announce that to us.
PAT: You don't want the enemy to know your timeline. And his excuse is we have to let the Afghans know that this isn't open ended. So tell them privately: This isn't open ended. I'm not telling everybody this but we're coming out in 18 months.
GLENN: Try this for size. Try this for size. We're not doing this, but this doesn't even make sense. Imagine if Eisenhower would have said, wow, you want me to land on the beaches? D day? All right. I'm going to need everything we got. The president comes out and says, it's in our vital national interest that we give it, well, not everything we got. We're going to send a few more people over but then we're coming home. We're coming home. In 18 months we're coming home.
PAT: Or if you take the beach and then you announce that right after you take the beach. We're going to leave.
GLENN: We haven't taken the beach.
PAT: We're committed to taking the beach.
STU: If we take the beach
PAT: We're committed to leave. So the Nazis hold out until you leave the beach.
GLENN: Wait, wait. You are not committed to taking anything if you are saying I'm going to leave in 18 months. Because you can't take anything.
STU: Well, you are going to leave eventually.
GLENN: Well, yes, I understand that. But you can't actually take anything. Do you think the Nazis would have fought so hard on Normandy and Normandy? Do you think they would have said, hold them, hold them, hold them, hold them?
STU: They thought they were losing it forever. That's why they fought so much.
GLENN: If we would have said we're going to go into Normandy and then we're going to train those French, Hitler would have laughed.
STU: He would have entrenched himself three feet behind Normandy.
GLENN: Exactly right.
STU: And that's what they'll do.
GLENN: Let them do it in France, go ahead, because then they are going to leave. And then the French are going to be alone.
STU: And that's got to be what the Taliban is thinking. If they do have huge battles, they fall back, they regroup in other areas in 18 months.
STU: And then they have got nothing to deal with.
PAT: Wait it out.
STU: Yeah, they don't have the military to deal with because they are leaving.