Video: Al Gore on Andrea Mitchell
PAT: Well, Al Gore's infallible and he stuck to that yesterday. In the Andrea Mitchell interview here's some of what Al Gore had to say.
GORE: The global warming deniers persist in this era of unreality. After all, the entire North polar icecap which has been there for most of the last three million years is disappearing before our eyes.
PAT: Right before our eyes.
GORE: 40%'s already gone. The rest is expected to go completely within the next decade. What do they think is causing this? The mountain glaciers in every region of the world are melting, many of them at an accelerated rate, threatening drinking supplies, drinking water supplies and agricultural water supplies. We have these record storms, droughts, floods, fires.
STU: Record lows even?
GORE: Three lows in the American West, climate refugees beginning now, expected to rise to the hundreds of millions unless we take action.
PAT: Where are the climate refugees?
STU: Oh, my I can't tell you how many climate refugees showed up at my house last night.
PAT: At your house? They are all there? Really?
STU: They are all there in the backyard. That's where they live. They leave the climate from down the street and they take refuge in my backyard because I'm high ground, Pat. I can
PAT: Everything around you's underwater?
STU: In let's say 10,000 years when the waters rise 20 feet, I'm going to be the only house above water. And that's why the climate refugees have gathered at my home.
PAT: Will you care in 10,000 years?
STU: Well, you know what, I care about the Earth. I care about our children, our children's children, our children's children's children. Not so much about the children's children's children but the children's children's children's children.
PAT: So you'll care for a while, the first 1500 to 2,000 years you'll care.
STU: Right. But after that, screw them.
PAT: Now, I know you've done a lot of studying, too, and I've looked into it, too, but is there anything to 40% of the polar ice caps disappeared?
STU: Well, you know
PAT: 40% has already disappeared. It's gone.
STU: You know, I've been trying to track this stat down. I always find it fascinating to look back and trace what they've done. I mean, anyone can throw it out there and you could say, all right, 40%, that's not right. But to go back and find the thought process they used to justify bringing this up on a national talk show I always find to be interesting. Looking I mean, I think what he's talking about is the sea ice extent, and you look at this and if you measure it like, because 40% sounds like this big thing. But I mean, it goes from, you know, it drops I'd say I'm just looking at the chart off the top of my head here, dropped 60% by itself from winter to summer. I mean, that's what it does. It melts and it goes back up.
PAT: That's just normal process.
STU: Right. So I think what he's doing is he is picking the absolute lowest number, like the lowest point on the chart where this, where the sea ice melt is would be most significant percentage wise. So instead of picking it at the top of the peak where it would be like 10%, you go to the very bottom of the peak and find the lowest possible point so that will extend it. I still can't get a 40% reading yet.
STU: But I can at least get, I can get into the double digits. Indiana find a little bit higher than that. I'm trying to, you know, e mail around to some of the sort of scientists we go back and forth with. I can't find it.
PAT: And then in ten years the polar icecap will be completely gone? Where do they get this madness?
STU: They predict this every year.
PAT: I know.
STU: If you remember, this past
PAT: They said by summer.
STU: And they said this for several years. One of, I'm trying to think, was it this year or was it last year that a boat tried to go all the way through because they said, there's not going to be any ice, so we could boat through. And then they just got surrounded by ice and stuck in the middle of the ice.
PAT: Yeah, yeah.
STU: I mean, they say this every single year. As you know, there's it's always catastrophe. But the bottom line is what Al Gore's talking about, even if he were true, does not prove his point.
PAT: No, it doesn't.
STU: We acknowledge that there's been
PAT: There's volcanic activity, there's all kinds of things at play. What do they think it is? It could be anything, Al! The sun! I hate to bring this up but there's a two million degree burning orb in the sky. The sun!
STU: We do believe that there's been a .7 degrees temperature warm in 100 years.
STU: That's something we do believe, that's something that scientists believe.
PAT: Although hasn't that been wiped out already in the last several or has it?
STU: I would say no. It's still level gone up. As I think what you're pointing to is the cooling that has happened over the past, you know, give or take eleven years.
STU: Which is, it's not, it's still higher than it was 100 years ago. It has lost some of the overall gain from 1998. But the bottom line here, though, is the fight is not about whether the temperature has risen or that the majority of the warming has been up in the polar region.
PAT: It's about what's causing it.
STU: It's about what's causing it.
PAT: And what can we do about it even if we are causing it. And your stupid proposals don't fix it. Not even close, even if everything you say is true.
STU: If you get past all this other stuff and you accept all that's what I loved about, we had the guys on from super freakonomics.
STU: And they are not acting skeptical to any scientific finding whatsoever. They are accepting everything Al Gore's says
PAT: They would say that.
STU: Exactly. And they just look at it as what's the best solution? What makes sense for our country, our future, our children's children's children's children, all of those people that we're supposed to care about and making sense of sort of policy arrangement. And when you look at it that way, you can't find any rational path to what Al Gore says.
PAT: Absolutely none. After he said this, I was doing some searching. I couldn't find any like you, I couldn't find any backing for the 40% is already gone claim. The closest I came to finding anything about 40% is that about according to some Seattle scientists they say about 40% of the ice that usually blankets the top of the world during summer will be gone by 2050. So it's another one of those dire predictions that if we don't act now, blah, blah blah, this will happen.
STU: Right, all based on models that plug in Al Gore's theory.
PAT: Exactly. All based on models, none of which predicted the current cooling trend.
PAT: Not one of them predicted the current cooling trend.
STU: A lot of this has to do with it's interesting because Al Gore says it in that clip you just played, which is, I don't know what it is I can't do it like you. I don't know what it is. If it's not this, tell me what it is. Well, that's not science.
PAT: No, it's not.
STU: That's guessing, okay? When you don't know what the cause of something is and you just apply the cause you think it might be, that's a guess!
STU: That's a guesstimate.
PAT: Well, and he does that all the time. He did that on what show was he on when he did the million degree Earth thing? Was it Conan O'Brien a couple of weeks ago when he said this:
O'BRIEN: Is this a viable solution, geothermal?
GORE: It definitely is, and it's a relatively new one. People think about geothermal energy, when they think about it at all, in terms of the hot water bubbling up in some places.
PAT: Bubbling up.
GORE: But two kilometers or so down, in most places there are these incredibly hot rocks because the interior of the Earth is extremely hot, several million degrees.
PAT: Several million degrees!
STU: Million degrees!
PAT: The rocks a couple of miles down in the Earth are hotter than the surface of the sun!
PAT: That is news. I don't know why that didn't go out everywhere to science journals because that's news.
STU: I can't even imagine what that would do to the 57 states if that were true.
PAT: Let alone, you know, the, the moon, Venus, Mars, Jupiter.
PAT: Come on!
STU: I think at that point Saturn would be like a tropical locale with this scenario.
PAT: Several million degrees. The sun is two million when you go two miles out, I think because the surface is like 11,000 degrees or something. But then it mixes with the atmosphere and causes this reaction that creates a two million degree temperature a couple of miles out from the sun. And then that spreads through the solar system. The center of the Earth is about 12,000 degrees. 12,000.
STU: Well, look, you
PAT: Not millions.
STU: I mean, you can spin your numbers.
PAT: It's not even close.
STU: You can spin your numbers all you want, but 12,000 and 2 million are basically the same.
PAT: All right, I stand corrected.
STU: I mean, those numbers, look, there's a few other zeroes on there.
PAT: Yes, right.
STU: But zeroes as we know have no value. So
PAT: Who's counting. Who's counting.