by Glenn Beck
GLENN: Joe in Ohio, you are on the Glenn Beck program.
CALLER: Hello, how are you doing?
GLENN: Good, how are you?
CALLER: I'm pretty good except I'm a little ticked at you.
GLENN: Oh, boy. Stand in line. Now serving number 483.
CALLER: And the reason I'm ticked is I'm tired of you talking about the convicted felons the way you do. I know you are talking about the one individual gentleman who's in the White House and you say was a convicted felon there and every you know, my wife and I watch your show every day.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
CALLER: You are always like a convicted felon and you point out
GLENN: You are a convicted felon, aren't you?
CALLER: Yes, I am.
PAT: Joe, we just don't want you writing policy for the country. That's all. Is that too much to ask?
CALLER: Yes, that is too much to ask.
PAT: Is it really?
PAT: What were you convicted of? Let's find out what he was convicted of.
GLENN: All right. What were you convicted of?
CALLER: Well, this is what I'm going to tell you. I'm going to tell you that
PAT: Well, come on, full disclosure. You are calling us on the carpet. Tell us what you were convicted of.
CALLER: Well, if you'll let me finish talking first.
PAT: Well, I'm asking you the question first. Just answer the question and then you can finish talking.
GLENN: Why are you so why are you so upset?
PAT: Well, I want to find out. Just hold on.
GLENN: He is very angry. He's got an issue with something. Go ahead, Joe.
CALLER: Okay. What I'm saying is it's irrelevant to the issue because I represent every
PAT: No, it's not.
GLENN: Could you please let let him finish.
STU: Let him finish, Pat.
CALLER: I represent, I represent every convicted felon out there. So you can think of any crime you want and you can put that on me because I believe this. I believe there's absolute truth. And I believe that the mistakes that a person made doesn't affect the truth that they speak.
GLENN: Okay. May I Joe, Joe.
GLENN: Let's just say you are a convicted felon. Let's just say that you were embezzling from banks, okay?
GLENN: That's what Robert Creamer had done.
GLENN: There is no one that understands or appreciates forgiveness more than me. I needed the atonement, and I'm not a convicted felon but, you know, give me more time. I could have been. May I? Joe, may I? May I? May I have the floor now?
CALLER: I'm sorry.
GLENN: Thank you. So there's nobody that understands redemption more than me. But what is the key to redemption, Joe?
CALLER: The key to redemption is change.
GLENN: Okay. Well, that's part of it. What comes before change?
GLENN: Good. Good. You've got to be a broken, contrite person that says, I've made a mistake, right?
CALLER: I agree, 100%.
GLENN: Good. Robert Creamer never has. He wrote the book, he calls his prison time a sabbatical. He wrote his plan, his manifesto in the prison. He still to this day doesn't think that there was a problem with him embezzling from the banks. Now, when you are a convicted felon, I am not I mean, I'm a huge fan of have you ever read Les Miserables?
CALLER: No, I have not.
GLENN: You are a very smart man because it's about 14,000 pages and you want to hang yourself because it has a very sad ending. But the whole point of it is this guy went to prison for stealing a loaf of bread. He gets into prison, he was guilty for it, he was starving, nobody would listen to him. He goes to prison. He serves. It's awful. He tries to escape. Now he gets 19 years. Now he's in prison again. It's awful. He gets out after serving his time. After he serves his time, he has to carry around what's called a yellow ticket of leave, which means every place he goes, every employer he has to go, every place he wants to go and live, he must show them by law, I'm a felon; I was convicted; I was in prison.
CALLER: So he's the sex offender of our day?
GLENN: Yes. And he was never able to get forgiveness, okay?
GLENN: That's the basic that's the opening part of Les Miserables.
GLENN: It shows how unjust that system is because you must be able to forgive people. That doesn't mean that you necessarily forget. If I'm a bank, I'm not going to hire Robert Creamer even if he says, "Wow, did I make a mistake! I'm not stupid!" Forgiveness is forgiveness but not in my bank. This man never asked for forgiveness.
CALLER: Now, may I say something?
CALLER: I understand that completely. And the issue that I have is, okay, I read some good books. I read Pilgrim's progress which was written by a gentleman who was in prison at the time. And I look at my prison experience as one of the best things that ever happened to me because God crushed me while I was in there and gave me time to think about what I've done and changed my life and has given me great opportunity since then. So I agree with you 100% that it takes brokenness and contriteness. And if the guy has not shown that, then
GLENN: He has not.
CALLER: If you'll let
PAT: But it's also something Joe, you also can't serve as president of the United States now. I mean, there are consequences to your actions. Yes, you've been forgiven; yes, you've been obviously given great blessings since. And you can go on and enjoy the fruits of those blessings. But there are certain things because of your actions that you can't now do.
PAT: One of them is to come up with policy for the United States.
GLENN: Here's the thing.
CALLER: Right, right.
GLENN: Hang on just a second, Joe. Let's just take this out of the president of the United States and out of it being hang on.
CALLER: ... it doesn't need to go.
GLENN: I beg your pardon?
CALLER: You are taking it somewhere it doesn't need to go. I know I can't be president of the United States. And you know what? You don't have to tell me about consequences. I live every single day with what I did. I can't change that.
GLENN: I understand.
PAT: Well, we're trying to explain to you why we have a problem with a convicted felon writing policy for the United States.
GLENN: Right, but let's not hang on. Let's not even take it to the convicted felon. Joe, you are married.
GLENN: Joe, you are married.
GLENN: Okay. If Tiger Woods comes to you and says, whoa, I made a lot of mistakes and, man, boy, I mean, 13 mistakes that you know of, and I made a lot of mistakes and I'm a changed man, hey, by the way, your wife is really hot; I bet she's very good at golf; could I give her lessons?
CALLER: I guess she's very hot but I would say no, that
GLENN: Why would you do that?
PAT: We're a little hacked off at you, Joe.
GLENN: Would you have done that, Joe, two weeks ago?
CALLER: I'm just trying to I can't think your guy's chain. That's all. What I'm saying
GLENN: No, you're not. You are just losing the argument and so... (laughing).
CALLER: Tiger Woods, if Tiger Woods came to me that way, what I would say to him is, you know what, you can go ahead and do that but I'm going to go along because and I agree with you, Glenn. I agree with you 100% that a person when they do wrong that they need to prove to others that they are trying to change their life. All right? Now, my issue is here's my main issue. I think we're getting way off track. Is I don't mind you pointing out that this gentleman has done you know, he wrote the book, that he stands on these principles that are totally against the United States of America and what I believe this country stands on. But to stand up and keep pointing out convicted felon, convicted felon, convicted felon, it really rubs me the wrong way because there are
GLENN: Because you're a convicted felon!
GLENN: I mean, I get it! I get it! If the guy's name was Beck and somebody was like, "And Joe Beck, Joe Beck," I would be like, can you stop saying the Beck thing? It's giving all this guy's giving automatic Becks a bad name. I understand Robert Creamer, if I understand your point, Robert Creamer is giving all convicted felons a bad name. I understand that!
CALLER: No, no. What I'm saying is this: You get on there and you say how much you are so you believe so strongly in forgiveness and second chances and you believe everybody has a second chance and, oh, my goodness, look at me, I was a drug addict and an alcoholic and I'll tell you what by the grace of god
GLENN: Stop saying that!
CALLER: I guarantee you if you I know if you were truly drug addict that you said you were and alcoholic that you said you were, that there were times that you performed illegal acts that you never got busted for. So it's just by the grace of God that you are not a convicted felon. So for you to
GLENN: Excuse me. Joe.
PAT: He is still not writing policy for the United States of America.
GLENN: Right. Wait a minute. Hang on. No, no, no, I've read in the New York Times I am. Joe, here's the thing. Here's the thing. I understand forgiveness, I understand that. This man has never asked for it.
CALLER: I understand that.
GLENN: This man has been, they have been making excuses for him, and he's been making excuses, and his attorneys have made excuses. His excuse is, it's only it was for a good cause.
STU: I paid it back.
GLENN: I paid it back. Who paid it back?
STU: Right. He's justifying it.
GLENN: Who paid it back?
STU: That's not an apology. He's been justifying his actions as not too, too bad.
GLENN: There is believe me, there were people that bought alcohol for me. There were people that enabled me every step of the way, in my drug and alcohol I don't ever need to point them out. I don't have anything against them. I don't nothing! I did it. I asked them; I drank it. Nobody poured it down me. It is no one's fault but mine. Now, if you think that I should be a bartender, well, you're dumb as a box of rocks. And you'd be if you were sitting there and you were running the bar and I had the cash register and the bar, you'd have every right to go, "But he's an alcoholic! But he's an alcoholic!" If I was standing behind the bar going, "No, I just drank a little too much!" You would be justified in saying, "But he's an alcoholic! Don't put him in charge of the booze or the money!" That's all I'm saying. He's a convicted felon. He is a convicted felon that hasn't had a moment of being contrite, at least that I can find. He should not be anywhere near the president of the United States and he shouldn't be writing manifestos in prison that David Axelrod says is a blueprint for our success.