Glenn: Stu, you did fun with numbers last night. Give me fun with numbers last night. Will you?
Stu: This is going through some of the ratings that television ‑‑ I think there's some ‑‑
Pat: He sounds like a parrot.
Stu: This is what we discovered. This is Friday's ratings of the Glenn Beck program. Your ratings on Friday equaled the combined audience of MSNBC from Hard Ball, the Ed Show, Hard Ball hour 2, Olbermann and Maddow, plus 14,000 viewers.
Pat: Wow. Wow.
Glenn: I love these people.
Glenn: Bill O'Reilly said last night, I saw Sarah Palin on and they were making fun of Sarah Palin on CNN and Paul Begala was, like, Oh, everybody thinks she's crazy, and Bill O'Reilly said, You watch. The numbers tonight ‑‑ this was on the show last night. You watch the numbers tonight with you on it will be huge, will be huge, and we nightly beat CNN 5 to 1. I think ‑‑ I think we meet them because the competition is less fierce at 5:00. I think we meet CNN and all these people by 6 to 1.
Stu: Yeah. Well, to illustrate another way, your audience on January 11th, which was Monday, Monday's audience, was the equivalent of Chris Matthews' audience for all of 2010 plus 137,000 viewers.
Pat: In the entire year.
Glenn: That's unbelievable.
Stu: Isn't it, like ‑‑ isn't it time to just shut it down?
Pat: Yeah, it is.
Glenn: No, no.
Stu: Play some slap shot commercials?
Glenn: No. It is time to say maybe we are out of step with the American people.
Stu: No. Sarah Palin's dumb and we have four people watching us. That's a business plan. Congratulations, MSNBC.
Pat: He doesn't feel that way about you.
Glenn: He doesn't?
Matthews: I listen to you all the time. I say you're about 30 years older than you are. You're amazingly smart for such a young guy, anyway. Thank you.
Stu: I remember that.
Glenn: That was, like, one of the first times I was on television.
Glenn: And we were surprised because he said he listened.
Pat: All the time.
Stu: You listen to that ‑‑
Glenn: This is before he went to the total dark side.
Stu: You literally listen to that guy in the interview that ‑‑ this is back, I think, 2003. It was when Real America came out. Listen to that guy and listen to the guy on television today
Pat: Totally different guy. I interviewed him about that time. I don't know if ‑‑ it was 2003 or something. He was moderate. You know ‑‑
Glenn: Yeah, he was.
Pat: I mean, he wasn't wildly conservative, but he wasn't this.
Glenn: Do you know what? No, wasn't. No, he wasn't, because if you play ‑‑ do you have the audio of what he said on December 23rd about our good friend Saul Alinsky?
Pat: Oh, yeah, I do.
Glenn: Hang on just a second. How could you be moderate? I mean, this is what people don't understand. When I say that Barack Obama is going to hit a bad, really bad spell and he's going to be pushed up against the wall, which he's never been done, it's never happened to him yet, he's going to be pushed up against the wall and what's going to happen? He's going to ‑‑ he's going to tear off the mask. I contend that all of these people have been wearing a mask. In the moderate day, you don't just change overnight. What happened was he decided, do you know what? I can really be who I am over here.
Pat: When you hear this ‑‑
Glenn: Is this moderate? Listen to this.
Matthews: To teach back to whatever our heroes from the past, from the Sixties, Saul Alinsky once said that even though both sides have flaws in their arguments and you can always find something nuanced about your own side you don't like, it's never perfect, you have to act in the end like there's simple black and white clarity between your side and the other side or you don't get anything done. I always try to remind myself of Saul Alinsky when I get confused.
Pat: Who doesn't?
Glenn: These people.
Stu: Or Mau, one of the people I go to first.
Glenn: These people have been lying to us for a very long time.
Stu: In that interview, though, with you, he praises Rush Limbaugh. I mean, he defends Rush Limbaugh in that interview and he praises you. At the time, you know, you were, much less known and weren't the most evil person in the universe at the time. So, I could understand him being differential to you.
Glenn: No, no. He said he listens to me all the time. Play that clip again because I just love this, because it goes against everything that he said. He listened to me all the time.
Matthews: I listen to you all the time. I think you're about 30 years older than you are. You're amazingly smart for such a young guy, anyway.
Stu: Amazingly to me.
Glenn: What happened to me? Did I get hit about a stupid stick or did I just start to become influential and now they have to destroy me?
Stu: I don't know. It seems like ‑‑
Glenn: Have I been in a car accident and I had a boo‑boo on my head all the sudden?
Stu: I don't think the change is with you. I think you're right, obviously, when you say you're going back to Saul Lynn ski. You know, everyone knows the guy was at least to some degree liberal and Democrat and everything else, but there's a significant personality change in that dude
Pat: There is.
Stu: He is now just literally insane on the air. I mean, he's just screaming about things all the time. He's changed.
Glenn: Have you noticed MSNBC, they have ‑‑ they think ‑‑ they think they know why, for instance, I'm successful. Have you seen this ‑‑ who's this Dillon guy?
Pat: Dillon Radigan.
Glenn: Oh, my God. I've seen him in an Elvis suit. I've seen him in a clown outfit.
Stu: Who is he? He's on what?
Glenn: He's on MSNBC. Nobody watches.
Stu: I know that.
Glenn: I've never seen anything like that and it's ‑‑
Stu: He's wearing clown suits?
Pat: Yeah. They think that the props are what is attracting people to you and so they've got this guy on doing this ‑‑ what they consider to be ‑‑ oh, this is the same kind of thing Beck is doing. This will be huge.
Glenn: They have no idea. It's the message. It's the message. You know, I ‑‑ no, I'm not going to ‑‑ I'll tell you ‑‑ I will tell you when I'm finished with this. Do you know what? I hate this. We used to have a radio show where it was just, like, you know, all of our friends hanging out and it was just people hanging out and, you know, people we could talk to ‑‑ you know, we could share and we were always flying urn the radar, which was always so nice. Now we have people ‑‑ I mean, I just met with some people just last week that ‑‑ what they're ‑‑ their job is, in the media, their job is to watch and listen to the show. That's what they get paid to do. And they do it ‑‑ not necessarily these people, but others do it to destroy and so I can't necessarily share a lot of things that I would like to share with you in the uptake. I have to tell you after it's been done, but I'm working on something now that I think we have a chance of actually doing and breaking a wall down, just breaking a wall down. I really, truly believe the paradigm is about to change and I'm going to ‑‑ I'm trolling right now for people ) people who think differently than I do, politically they understand that the paradigm is about to change. I want to see if ‑‑ I want to see who's out there and what are they willing to explore.