Video: Chris Matthews On Obama "I Forgot He Was Black Tonight"
GLENN: Do you have the Chris Matthews? I think you have to give him credit for having the guts to really reveal himself and say what he's been apparently thinking for a very long time.
MATTHEWS: He is post racial by all appearances. You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, he's
PAT: So dumb.
GLENN: No, it's not. It's just, it's beyond. It is racist.
PAT: It is.
GLENN: It is racist. I don't know of an anything that I have heard that somebody said on TV that's truly racist. He always see, okay, they are going to say it's racist, they are going to do this, they are going to do that. I don't think that one is. That doesn't mean you take him off TV. You just know who he is. That one's racist. Come on.
STU: I mean, I know what you mean.
GLENN: You forgot he was black for an hour?
STU: There's really not a lot of ways to take that, but
GLENN: There's no way. Give another way.
STU: Well, I think what he was trying to say...
GLENN: No, no. Let's not read into his
STU: You have to read into it. That's what I'm doing.
GLENN: Give me a context where that works.
STU: He is talking about, you know, he's just colorblind, we don't even see his race because the speech was so great, it transcended race. You know, I'm not saying
GLENN: That's the same as "I forget he's black for an hour"?
PAT: It would be great if he said he transcends race.
STU: He says a lot of things poorly which is why no one watches him.
GLENN: Let's try this on for size, try this on for size. Boy, the surgeon that was doing the surgery on me, he was just so unbelievable, I forgot that he was black for an hour.
PAT: That just means he's such a good surgeon, he transcends racial barriers.
STU: Fantastic point.
PAT: Yeah, it is.
GLENN: Help me out. Give me any scenario, any scenario where that works.
STU: I just don't
GLENN: My preacher, he was preaching the gospel the other day and he stood up there in front of the congregation and he was so amazing, I forgot that he was black for an hour.
GLENN: Help me out.
STU: This is fantastic. Do more of them. I want more!
GLENN: I could do anything. So I went into my, I went into my pharmacy and I had to pick up my prescription drugs and I'm talking to this pharmacist behind the counter. He was he's such a nice guy, I forgot that he was black for an hour.
PAT: (Laughing). That's a good one.
GLENN: My son brings over a friend, he goes to school with this friend. Just the cutest kid and so smart and so sweet and I'm sitting there and I'm talking to him. I'm reading the two of them, you know, because he had a slumber party and I'm reading to the two of them and I look at his friend and I forgot that his friend was black for an hour! Help me out! How else do you read that?
STU: You make an excellent case. (Laughing).
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. I was doing an interview yesterday. I was doing an interview yesterday and we have this new IT guy that I was interviewing and he was so smart and he's from IBM and I thought, I forgot that he was black during the interview!
STU: And the thing is, he did such a good job during the interview, I forgot he was black because that's really the
PAT: That shows your racial bias.
GLENN: I really do, honestly I did do an interview yesterday with an African American who wants to be an IT guy here. He's worked for IBM and everything else and he came in and I looked at his resume and I said, you are wildly overqualified for this job. You realize that? And he was like, well, you know, I keep hearing that. And I'm like no, no, no. No, no. Here's the IT job: My screen doesn't work. I've plugged it in and plugged it out again. You know, okay. Can you imagine if I had a conversation with him and then ended it with, by the way, you are so you are amazing. I forgot you were black.
GLENN: What is that?
STU: You are making an excellent case here. I don't I mean, I always just feel like it's I hate to, you know, I hate to, like people make, we make dumb comments all the time that are taken out of context or just taken as serious when we didn't mean them that way.
GLENN: This is not a dumb comment. This is a window into the way he thinks. Now, this doesn't mean that you take him off, this doesn't mean that you, you know, say he's a racist. I think this is a racist comment on this
GLENN: He views everything with the lens of race in the glasses. He has to, at least with Barack Obama. He must.
GLENN: Because what he's saying is for an hour I forgot about race. Well, that means the rest of the time, the other 23 hours when you were thinking about Barack Obama yesterday, you thought about race. I don't. I don't think of race with him. Occasionally I will think of race. And only you know, here's how I go with race with Barack Obama is once in a while he will get into a cadence where he sounds like a preacher. And so he gets into that preacher cadence. And the only reason I think of race on that is because the preacher cadence makes me think of reverend Jeremiah Wright, and there's no mistaking well, I mean, I guess he could be a white guy that just hates all white guys. But that's, I mean, that's the only time I think of race with Barack Obama.
STU: The only time I ever think about it is when people like Chris Matthews blame us for not liking him because of race.
GLENN: You can add that as well.
STU: But it is an odd comment. You like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they just said it poorly or, like, what he was trying to say was not that and he said it in an awful way. But when you bring it up in the other context that you just brought it up in, you realize that if a conservative said something like that
GLENN: Hang on. Said what. Play it again, please, just in case you just joined us.
MATTHEWS: Post racial by all appearances. You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour, you know.
STU: Can you just do one more, another scenario you could do?
GLENN: Play it again, please.
MATTHEWS: He is post racial by all appearances. You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, I'm having
GLENN: So I'm having this interview with these astronauts and this guy is up in the space shuttle and he's so smart and he's talking about all the, you know, all the scientists, the scientific experiments they are doing and I'm thinking to myself, oh, my gosh, for an hour during this conversation I forgot he was black.
STU: (Laughing). It is, when you really take it out of this bizarre world there.
GLENN: I brought my car in to have the oil changed and I'm talking to this guy and he's a really nice guy and we're just talking about cars and we end up talking about the ball game and everything else. For an hour there I forgot he was black.
STU: (Laughing). I mean, god, you never get away with it in any other context.
GLENN: My garbage man, he was coming out in the garbage and, you know, I'm bringing my trash out early in the morning and I'm like, hey, Pete, how are you? And he's like, good, Mr. Beck, how are you? And I'm like, good. We're just talking about stuff and for a while there I forgot he was black.
STU: Go to, like, the presidential context of, like, President Bush saying action you know, hey, we're in middle of the Iraq war and Colin Powell comes into my office or Condoleezza rice comes into my office and they are so smart. They understand this war. They are such great managers of these situations and I just forget they're black sometimes. I mean, can you imagine if he said that? It would be the front page story on every paper for a year.
GLENN: As it should be. I cannot make this work. Unless you are like, I mean, I didn't just didn't think black people could do this.
STU: Yeah, I mean
GLENN: Name another way.
STU: The only way is if he just flubbed the comment and he said it very poor. He said it very poorly.
GLENN: Listen to it again. Listen to it again.
MATTHEWS: I was trying to think about who he was tonight. It's interesting. He is post racial by all appearances. You know, I forgot he was black tonight.
GLENN: No, no. No, no. I forgot I'm black tonight. That's not the whole comment. If he even would have ended it there, it would have been a little better. Go back.
STU: Can you play a little bit more?
GLENN: Play a little bit more, please.
MATTHEWS: He is post racial by all appearances. You know, I forgot he was black tonight for an hour. You know, he's got a
GLENN: I forgot he was black tonight.
PAT: For an hour!
GLENN: That's not even as bad as, I mean, it's still bad but I forgot that he was black tonight for about an hour.
STU: If nothing else we could just admire the idiocy. If we could just sit back for a moment and just admire what a stupid thing that is to say on television.
PAT: As if the thrill comment, the thrill up his leg thing wasn't bad enough. I mean, this thing, this is way worse.
STU: Outdoes himself. Every major speech Chris Matthews I couldn't tell does himself with a stupid comment.
STU: It's magnificent.
GLENN: Now, may I, may I say something else that I don't think anybody's going to say? Well, nothing's off limits now. I mean, look at as long as, as long as Chris Matthews is on the air, I guess anything can be said. Did anybody else think that, A, the amount of money do you know how many, how many children could be fed with just the amount of money in plastic surgery between Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden? Can you see them sitting behind them, sitting behind the president last night, two things came to mind. First of all, I think Nancy Pelosi was just, she may have a cold or something and she took Nyquil or whatever but she just was like, she was staring out in space. A few times I thought she was going to drool. She was like, I must have had too much Nyquil. Joe Biden I believe was doing a mime show behind the president. I believe he was trying to mime the different things like, yes, jobs, that's good, uh huh.
STU: Very animated. Yes, very.
GLENN: He was so animated, it was distracting. It was embarrassing.
PAT: So was, I get distracted by her I mean, she does stair off into space sometimes but Pelosi has this blinking problem where she blinks like 90 times a minute.
GLENN: I can't, I can't even look at her because of the plastic surgery.
PAT: So between the three of them, they could have been winky, blinky and nod, because he kept nodding. Biden's nodding at everything and smiling and beaming yes and she's beaming and he's winking, and it's little and all the other arrogant progressives in the crowd, it's just winky, blinky and nod up there. It was tough.
GLENN: It was really tough. I couldn't take Joe Biden and his really, really, really white teeth?
STU: Really happy.
GLENN: His really, really white teeth.
STU: Big smile.
GLENN: I almost forgot that he was white for an hour. Wait a minute.
STU: I don't know what you meant there. I don't know.
PAT: Ooh, that was a conservative saying something about
STU: Something about white or black or something or color.
GLENN: He just mentioned a color.
PAT: Or lack of color, one of the two. I don't know. Is white the absence of color or the total...
GLENN: It was crazy last night.
PAT: It was an awful night.
GLENN: It was.
PAT: It was one of the toughest nights of all time. It was.
GLENN: Only because, look, I don't have a problem with disagreeing with somebody. I really don't. I have such a problem with someone, I mean, bald face lies. Just bald face lies. I had a hard time. Maybe it's just me.