Joe Klein destroyed by Bill O'Reilly
GLENN: I want to play from Bill O'Reilly last night Joe Klein from Time magazine.
KLEIN: But I think that your pal Glenn Beck is peddling a lot of hateful crap.
O'REILLY: But he is doing it in a funny way. What's hateful about it?
KLEIN: I thought the part where he describe the president as intentionally steering the airplane of state into the ground.
PAT: At least, but at least he got the analogy that it wasn't an actual airplane and he wasn't trying to actually kill people.
STU: Right. He didn't realize it wasn't the, what was it, the of state? It was about the economy.
PAT: Right, it was.
GLENN: Isn't it interesting, isn't it interesting that Arianna Huffington and Joe Klein in the same weekend.
GLENN: Used the same analogy.
PAT: So weird.
GLENN: That's been out that piece has been out for, what, months?
PAT: Long time.
PAT: May I also point out that's not hate!
GLENN: That's opinion.
PAT: It's an opinion!
PAT: There's nothing hateful about it!
STU: That's a good point. They just put hate next to anything that anyone on the right size, yeah.
PAT: If you disagree with him, you hate him.
STU: It's a hate of opinion.
GLENN: Let me tell you something one of my favorite websites is Mediaite and there are times they take me down hard, they don't like me at all.
PAT: They have, yeah.
GLENN: They have taken me down hard. But there are other times that they defend and it's not because they are fans or not fans. It's because that's the way they see it and they are not just ideologues. Listen to this: Bill O'Reilly debates Joe Klein on the Glenn Beck phenomenon. Bill O'Reilly started this week not only by taking on Republican critics to President Obama but also factoring in some liberal guests into the fold. One of those, Joe Klein from Time magazine, has recently had a back and forth with Glenn Beck and O'Reilly took the chance to offer a defense of sorts to his colleague. Klein wrote an column recently criticizing Fox News and really stupid Americans. That got a 15 minute epic takedown from Beck last week.
I love the article they wrote last week on the epic takedown. They said, you want to know why Beck is successful? Watch this, the best 15 minutes you've ever seen.
After discussing several issues with Klein, O'Reilly brought out Klein's FNC criticism going back to last year as well. You don't like Fox News much, says O'Reilly. Klein says he respects Major Garrett and even O'Reilly, those are good guys, I think you are a good guy. We come from the same neck of the woods, said Klein but surprise, surprise, your pal Glenn Beck is peddling a lot of hateful crap. Klein said sarcastically the stuff about Obama not being an American citizen, that was hysterical.
Now listen to this. Go ahead and play what else Klein said.
KLEIN: It's hilarious and the stuff about Obama not being a
O'REILLY: He's got a phone to the White House. Look, he is every man sitting on a barstool. Why shouldn't he have a show?
KLEIN: No, no, no, he is Father Coughlin.
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PAT: Father Coughlin.
GLENN: Father Coughlin
PAT: The socialist.
STU: What is it? Coughlin or Conklin? Conklin or something? It's not Coughlin, is it? That's how it's written but that's not how it's pronounced.
GLENN: I don't care how it's pronounced. The only ones that know this reference are the people at MSNBC and the Huffington Post and Media Matters. They are the only ones, and they get it wrong every time. The guy was a socialist. The guy was I mean, look him up on SSI.gov. If you look at Social Security, he's there.
PAT: He started out a huge fan of FDR.
PAT: And the reason that he turned on FDR and became so vehemently opposed to him
GLENN: Because he didn't go close enough! That's me.
PAT: Oh, that's a perfect comparison to you.
GLENN: That's me.
GLENN: The reason why he says he's Father Coughlin is twofold. One, Father Coughlin was a populist. I'm not a populist.
STU: I don't think so. People have leveled that claim against you for a long time.
GLENN: Not a populist. What I happen to say is popular now. I happen to believe in the little man, but that's not a populist stance that I need the big government. Populist stance combines the big government with it. I don't want the big government protecting.
STU: Right. And you've been criticized for
GLENN: Leave me alone.
STU: Right. You've been criticized for being a big friend to the evil elite rich people forever and then all of a sudden now you are a populist. I don't know how that happens.
GLENN: All right. So and that's what's happening is now the progressives are going to take this. Which is what they are really in many ways, they are Father Coughlin. That's who they are. They are a bunch of Marxists that want redistribution of wealth. They don't think Obama has even gone far enough. And also, by the way, the reason why they compare me to Father Coughlin is because in the end he was supporting the Germans against the Jews.
STU: Blah blah Nazi, blah blah.
GLENN: And I just want to point out I'm so much alike that Benjamin Netanyahu told me that I will be remembered as a friend to humanity for what I have done and said about Israel and Iran.
PAT: Okay, dusty Rhodes!
STU: Your reference!
GLENN: So here's what Joe Klein, you know, he continues on and Bill O'Reilly, you know, just leaves it as the joke that it is. But let me read what Mediaite says: First of all, Beck is so far from a Birther, it's absurd for Klein to even cite in his argument. It proves he doesn't even actually watch or listen to Glenn Beck.
GLENN: See article, Glenn Beck thinks Birthers are dumb. Glenn Beck is a lot of things. He thinks a large portion of the Obama administration are Mao loving progressive radicals intent on forcing the social is regime change.
PAT: Only because they said so.
PAT: Other than that.
GLENN: But he's not that. Also on O'Reilly's defense that Beck is every mayonnaise is disingenuous as well, Glenn Beck, his appeal is that he's doing things that no one else can do. Maybe the every man can identify with what Beck is saying but Beck is the guy leading the charge quite literally in some cases. There's a hyperlink to that. I've got to see what that is. And that makes him uniquely loved and hated. Besides, Klein, who led the show as guest number one, San Francisco Gavin Newsom made his Factor debut last night, blah, blah blah, blah blah.
PAT: So Klein started out the show by accusing Fox News of lying. Then in his dissertation on you, comes up
STU: And he only came up with two things, one of which was a complete lie, the other was saying an analogy that was incorrect. I mean, he didn't come up with one accurate thing. How did he come up with what?
GLENN: But he only had a week to respond to the epic takedown of Time magazine. Remember when Time magazine used to have credibility? I know, I know, it was
PAT: When was that?
GLENN: It was before they put me on the cover.