GLENN: I want to go to Ed Schultz who said something amazing. Was he on was he in a speech, giving a speech some place?
PAT: I think it was on his show.
GLENN: So it's equivalent of giving a speech.
GLENN: But maybe a smaller audience. But he was, he was talking about going to the White House. And I want you to listen to the way he describes the White House and what he saw in the White House.
SCHULTZ: The White House, the West Wing, and there are pictures all over, I mean, everywhere of President Obama, of his life in the first year as president of the United States. Now, I don't know if that's the way it is with every president.
SCHULTZ: But it was almost a shrine. I mean, well, here's a picture of Obama, the president with his kids over here, there he is getting on Air Force one, here is with some military people, here he is on the line, working the line at one of his campaign stops. I mean, just, it was just one picture after another! And so I got the message right away that there's nothing but Obama fans in the White House, which I think is a good thing.
PAT: That's the message he took.
GLENN: Whew. That is not the way it is with every president. I can tell you that I have only been in the White House one time in the West Wing. It was with the last president. And what struck me was I was actually kind of hacked off. I don't know if you remember when I came back from the White House, I was hacked off and I said, there is so much art on the walls that you have never seen before. The Spirit of '76, Washington crossing the Delaware, one of the smaller versions of that is in the West Wing. Norman Rockwells, a Norman Rockwell I have never seen before. All of this beautiful art. That's what was on the wall, and it was all about America, its founding. I saw the Gilbert Stuart of George Washington, saw beautiful painting of Abraham Lincoln. It's amazing what's on the walls, what was on the walls in the West Wing of the White House. Incredible. The only time I saw pictures, I saw pictures of the president with his family and pictures of his family on his desk. That's the only time I remember seeing pictures. I think there was one other where they had a portrait of him, you know the kind of thing that they put in school and stuff like that. There was one. It was appropriate. I think it was by the door or something. It was kind of like, this is our current president. But everything else, they were all old pictures of paintings, of presidents and moments in American history.
Now, I just got a note from a friend of mine who said, Glenn, I was just in the White House for three hours. Inside, the walls are covered with 11 by 14 framed photos of the president in various activities. According to the Secret Service they are taken all of the time and changed weekly. I would estimate there are 300 photos around the White House now east and west wings, and they are changed weekly. Wow! Wow.
Let me tell you a story. I was out, I was out west and a guy who is a very influential mover and shaker and I don't want to say his name because he's kind of a recluse in many ways. He's a very private man. I didn't even really know who he was. I mean, I knew that he was a mover and shaker, I knew that he was, you know, involved in, not in politics per se. He was involved in big business. But I didn't know. We were being driven there and the driver of the car, I said, so we're going to such and such a place. And he said, oh, my gosh, you are going in that building? And I said, yeah, meeting with so and so the guy almost stopped the car. You're meeting with him? He doesn't meet with anybody. Really? I mean, I had no idea. So I didn't as soon as I got out of the car, I thought, we didn't prepare for this meeting. We get up there and there's beautiful paintings of the West all over this office. So I immediately got the impression this guy is a, he's a cowboy, he's a guy who understands the western spirit.
When I got to the office, I sat in his office and it was all kind of memorabilia around his office. And the painting that was at his desk just off to the side, so it's where if he turned to the phone, and he was on the phone, he was looking right at it, was the painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware. I felt I immediately knew who this guy was. He had pictures of his family, George Washington and memorabilia. And on the way it was all about the West and the taming of the West. I felt I knew who he was, even though I didn't.
I was out fishing last summer and I was fishing with Jon Huntsman, Sr. He's a friend of mine, just one of the I mean, he's one of the most noblemen I have ever met. And we were talking and I said, do you know this guy, John? And he said, yeah, I do; he's a really good guy. And I said, yeah, you know, I got that impression. But I said I only met him for, you know, about an hour and quite frankly I feel a little stupid, but I was judging him kind of on the paintings around him. And he said, what do you mean? And I said, well, he had a picture of he had the painting of George Washington crossing the Delaware over his desk where he would look while he was on the phone. And I said, you know, and I know you can't judge anybody by, you know, what they have on their wall what they have in their office. And he just looked at me like, what, are you dumb as a box of rocks? And I just wanted to say, I know what you're thinking, and the answer is yes. And he said, yes, you can. He said, that means an awful lot. What is a man looking at when he's working? What is what are the things that he surrounds himself with? Yes, you can. You can tell a lot. And then I started thinking, what do I have in my office? What do I have in my office? And I realized that what I have in my office, I have two, I have two pictures in my office I have three. I have a painting of what's over Rockefeller Plaza that says wisdom and stability will be the wisdom and knowledge will be the stability of thy times. It's from Isaiah. I have a photograph of Orson Welles and a photograph of Walt Disney. On the other wall I have a couple of photographs of some people that inspire me. And I realized, wow, and I have them there for a reason. On my desk I have my children and my family. It's what I look at.
Now, if I'm going to go back to the White House, I want to see who is the president looking at? What does the president have around him? Apparently he's looking at himself an awful lot, which kind of explains an awful lot about his arrogance, does it not?
The other side of it is if you're watching as an Insider now, you will see well, behind me now is a photograph of Ronald Reagan, old Ronald Reagan, Ronald Reagan from the 1950s. And the reason why I have that picture is because the Ronald Reagan of the 1950s, he was a searcher. He was trying to find out, "Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, what is it I believe in? I think I've been lied to." He was a guy who was open in saying, wait a minute, and he was formulating his ideas. That's why I have that picture there behind me. Everywhere else in the studio, and if you come to Mercury, my company, the elevator doors open and what are you hit with? I mean, you start walking around this place and what are you hit with, Pat?
PAT: You're hit with Glenn, yes.
GLENN: There's a lot of pictures
PAT: It's almost like a shrine to you.
GLENN: It is. It's almost like a shrine to me. What's the difference between when you come off the elevator on my floor and you go into the West Wing?
PAT: You are marketing something. You. You are selling you.
GLENN: My name.
PAT: This is a business, it's a trademark.
GLENN: My name is trademarked.
GLENN: My name has the little, what is it, the R or the tm after. I saw that the first time and I'm like, what, we've registered, my name is a trademark? Yes. My name is a trademark. Barack Obama is not. The White House is not about him. He is a steward of the White House! He is a keeper of the flame. He's erasing the history, the great people that have walked through those hallways. If I were the president of the United States, I would have Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, I'd have every picture that would remind me of every heroic event that this country has ever been involved with, I would have everybody, pictures and paintings of everybody who sacrificed to remind me, A, it's not about me, and look at these people and what they were willing to do.
You are in a sacred place. That White House, you know, but I saw remember we talked about this the other day, Pat. You and I were in the office and we saw the picture of Barack Obama with the Resolute desk.
PAT: Yeah, and he's got his feet up on it.
GLENN: He has his feet up on the Resolute desk!
PAT: The disrespect.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
PAT: Doesn't care. He just doesn't seem to care.
GLENN: I mean, just the history of the Resolute desk. I would be, I would be afraid to put a cup on the Resolute desk. And the day that I wasn't afraid of putting a cup on the Resolute desk is the day I should leave office! He's sitting back, he's got his feet up on the Resolute desk and he's sit I mean, the guy doesn't understand stewardship. And he is surrounded by people that also idolize him to the point of being a little frightening. This guy is not the Messiah. He is a president. And there will be another president after him if you haven't done too much damage. And he will retain a space. There will be a painting of Barack Obama in the White House. They will probably have to find space for it because there's 300 photos of him now. They are probably going to have to only pick one. And maybe leave a little extra room for George Washington, Thomas Jefferson or Ben Franklin or James Madison or Thomas Paine or Alexander Hamilton. You know, I could go on for a while. There might be, there might be a few other pictures that you might want to have up in the White House.