GLENN: I understand it is a firestorm in Texas because of an interview that happened on this program yesterday. There's a candidate that really is, I mean, I can't believe that, I'd like to see poll numbers here in the next few days. It was the candidate that was coming on strong. We put this candidate on the air because we remember hammered by their supporters and I was sick and tired of being hammered by their supporters, quite honestly. Please don't, don't try to bully us or intimidate us into having a candidate on. We don't do local politics usually. The reason why I decided to finally have them on is because she went from 4% to, what was it, 24%, 26%?
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: In the latest poll, and she was catching up to, a couple of points away from Kay Bailey Hutchison who I think is another story because she's now using my words apparently, Kay Bailey Hutchison, in ad campaigns and these phone call things. Do not listen to Kay Bailey Hutchison if she's trying to make it appear as I'm endorsing her because I am not. I'm not endorsing anybody. So here comes Medina supporters. They write, they write, had them on, I don't really care. So then she starts to be a real candidate and I watch her ads and she's saying I'm a candidate just like you. And because she's a tea party like candidate and I've seen Perry in action I shouldn't say that. I've seen Perry from a distance. I've liked him every time I've spoken to him, but Pat lived in Texas for how many years?
GLENN: And Pat's not a fan of Rick Perry and so he's tainted my views on Rick Perry. As Stu pointed out yesterday, I have no experience with Rick Perry other than good experience. However, Pat has told me what it's like to live with Rick Perry, and he says one thing in election, says another thing later. Okay. So I want to get her on. She's a tea party candidate. She's one of the people. She starts the interview and I said to her, so tell me a little bit about yourself. I think one of her first sentences is, well, I'm a grassroots organizer for the Republican Party, I worked for the Republican Party for, like, ten years. And I'm immediately not interested. Because that's not what I mean, that's not what I expected to hear is somebody who's saying, I'm just like you. I don't even want to know Republican organizers. Just not what I expected to hear.
We had also, at the time when we announced that I was going to have her own, I think I announced it two days ago and I said we're going to have her on, hammered, hammered by people writing in saying she's a 9/11 Truther. No way I believe she's a 9/11 Truther.
PAT: We just wanted to give her the opportunity to dispel that rumor.
GLENN: I wanted to I had two, I had two questions I wanted to ask. Didn't even get to the second one. I wanted to ask her if she was a Birther because that's what everybody says the tea parties, "Oh, these people are crazy. They are all Birthers." Really? Are they? So I wanted to ask her if she was a Birther, expecting her to say no. Didn't ask her that question. Maybe somebody in the press should ask her. I couldn't get past the question, are you a 9/11 Truther. Here's the response. Do we have the audio? Here's the response. Sarah, do we have the audio?
Do you believe the government was any way involved with the bringing down of the World Trade Centers on 9/11?
MEDINA: I don't, I don't have all the evidence there, Glenn. So I don't I'm not in a place, I have not been out publicly questioning that. I think some very good questions have been raised in that regard. There are some very good arguments, and I think the American people have not seen all of the evidence there. So I've not taken a position on that.
PAT: Totally unexpected.
GLENN: I followed it up and I said, be more specific, and it just got worse from there. Here's the thing. Now I'm being accused by her supporters of making too much out of one issue. A 9/11 Truther. Really, one issue? That's what we hear from the same people who dismiss Kay Bailey Hutchison because of her abortion stance or Rick Perry over the trans Texas corridor. Really? They are the ones who are saying, "You can't dismiss the trans Texas corridor, you can't dismiss the abortion thing," but we can dismiss the 9/11 Truther thing? A person who is standing up and look, I am all for states rights. I'm for property rights. She said all of the right things when she was talking about the Constitution. I'm all for all of that stuff. But when you have somebody saying we've got to push away from the federal government, how far do you want to push away from the federal government? Because if you haven't done the math in your head and you think there's a possibility that our government isn't just bad, it's evil and don't start with me on, it's a necessary evil, even George Washington said it was a stop. Stop. They didn't just kill 3,000 people if you are a 9/11 Truther, you believe that they didn't just kill 3,000 people. They also could have killed 30,000 people, 100,000 people. How many people could have been in that building? So please. That one particular issue to me is enough. It may not be for you. I'm not voting in Texas. You are.
Some issues are make or break issues, but if that's not a make or break issue for you, fine, vote for her. That's a deal breaker for me. Abortion is another one. Healthcare reform, another one. Game breakers. For those of us, anybody who is accusing us of sandbagging Debra Medina, do you really think that really? I don't have anything else better to do? If you listen to this show, you know how much we've discussed the problems with Perry and Hutchison to the point where both of those campaigns have been hounding us over the comments on, I mean, Kay Bailey Hutchison is now using comments after hounding us saying, what you want to Rick Perry... (mumbling). Please, Rick Perry's campaign, it's my understanding that they were on the phone with the office in New York screaming, how could we have Medina on, at the time that she was on? Really? Hey, Perry campaign, you all upset at us now? If you listen to the show, you know one of the themes is question with boldness. I didn't think that was that bold of a question. I thought that was a softball question. When we keep hearing that she's a Truther or surrounded herself with Truthers, don't you think you should ask? She couldn't answer it, at least not to my satisfaction. If you're mad at somebody, quite honestly you should be mad at her. She could have said no. She could have said yes. Instead she dodged or equivocated. I mean, all you people who are saying, "Oh, it's not that big of a deal," you better question your own values on whether you're a Truther or not. And if you are, let me say it again. That's fine. I'm not trying to shut down anybody's free speech. You want to question with boldness? Is there a bigger questioning with boldness than that? "I think our government blew up the World Trade Centers and the Pentagon." Yeah, there's no bigger question you can ask.
PAT: Questions have all been asked and answered but if you want to, go ahead.
GLENN: And if you believe that, you have a responsibility to continue to ask that question. And to continue to stand up for yourself. Just don't do it in the cover of darkness.
Our founding principles need to be restored. I really, truly believe Texas is one of our last best hopes to help restore those principles. Occasionally we'll provide a forum for the great people of Texas to learn more about somebody that could help them do that. I just, I keep getting phone calls, why don't you talk about politicians more? When every time we do, this happens. You have a choice. You can do what the progressives do and blindly follow any candidate off a cliff because you belong to the party, because that's our best chance of winning. I don't care if we win. I don't have a team. I'm fighting for the Constitution and I think you are, too. I want an American candidate with American values to run for office. I don't need to agree with them on everything. But for me, hmmm, the government blew up the World Trade Center, Bush was a killer. I think that's a deal breaker. We just need to find out who these people are and what they believe because it's easy to run an ad campaign that says, "I'm just like you." No, no. As I found out yesterday, no, she's not, uh uh. No, really not just like me.