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GLENN: Let me give you the organ of the Obama administration, the New York Times by Laurie Goodstein. She says, "Last week the conservative broadcaster Glenn Beck called on Christians to leave their churches if they hear preaching about social or economic justice, saying they are code words for communism and Naziism." Well, yeah, the communists and the Nazis, and I presented that evidence last night on the TV show. It's pretty hard when I take their own words and play it coming out of their own mouth and then show their own magazines, their own newspapers using those, that language for this exact purpose, for Naziism and communism, progressivism in America. But why get down to the facts.
"This week the remarks prompted outrage from several Christian bloggers." Now, let me ask you a question. The New York Times says they're above all, they the news that's fit to print. They found this to be a, how many paragraph? One, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve paragraph story from several, quote, Christian bloggers. Oh.
GLENN: No, no, they've named one.
PAT: Oh, they have named them?
GLENN: Yes. The Reverend Jim Wallis.
PAT: Oh, that Christian blogger. And by the way, did they mention that he's an advisor, a spiritual advisor to the president of the United States, Barack Obama?
GLENN: No, they haven't mentioned that.
PAT: They haven't mentioned that?
GLENN: No, they don't mention that here.
PAT: He's a disinterested party? He's just a Christian.
STU: Random Christian typist, okay.
GLENN: Who leads the liberal Christian antipoverty group.
PAT: Oh, is that what it is?
GLENN: It's a Christian antipoverty group.
PAT: Oh, okay.
STU: At least they said liberal. That's more than they normally do.
GLENN: Right. He called on Christians to leave Glenn Beck. That sounds like a boycott. I wonder if one will follow.
STU: Wait, wait. An advisor to the president being tied to a boycott? That doesn't sound possible.
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait, wait.
STU: It doesn't sound possible.
GLENN: Wait. One who studied Marxism?
STU: No, it doesn't seem. I won't listen to it.
GLENN: Okay. So "what he has said attacks the very heart of Christian faith. Christians should no longer watch his show," Mr. Wallis wrote on his blog. His name of his blog? God's Politics.
GLENN: Now, I wasn't aware that God had politics. I would like to again join all of the liberals in suggesting we have a separation of church and state, that maybe there's a problem when your preacher stands up and starts telling you who to vote for, how to vote, and what the government should look like.
Now, I know there are churches that do that. I don't attend them. I don't like them. You can do that if you want, but if you want to make sure that God's politics aren't America's politics, you know, that would probably be a good thing to check into those words of those churches. Because I don't think God has politics. I think he has the truth.
"His show should be in the same category as Howard Stern." That sounds like Saul Alinsky.
STU: Successful? Is that what he's trying to say?
GLENN: "In attacking churches that espouse social justice," the Times writes, "Mr. Beck is taking on most mainline protestant, Roman Catholic, black and Hispanic congregations in the country." Not I wonder if, I wonder if we're going to get the churches like Jeremiah Wright's now to say that I'm a racist. I mean, it's not hard for Jeremiah Wright to call people racist and then, of course, there would be a campaign against my sponsors because I'm against a race I'm again a racist because I'm antipoverty, I'm antipoor.
PAT: No, because yeah, let's get that position straight because you are pro poverty, right?
GLENN: I am pro poverty, antipoor.
STU: What is your decision making process then when you're doing this tour and the main three parts of it are faith, hope and charity?
GLENN: Hope and charity? I know.
STU: Why would you include faith and charity?
GLENN: I have no idea.
STU: I don't understand it, weird.
GLENN: No idea. "Mr. Beck said on his radio show March 2nd, I beg you look for the word social justice or economic justice on your church website. If you can find it, run as fast as you can. Social justice and economic justice are code words." Quoting me. Am I advising people to leave their church? Yes, if I'm going, if I'm going to Jeremiah Wright's church, he said, referring to President Obama's former pastor in Chicago. If you have a priest that is pushing social justice, go find another parish. Notice, notice, leave your parish, not your church.
GLENN: Go find another parish. Go alert your bishop.
STU: Do you have a are there dot dot dots that you are skipping over here?
GLENN: No, uh huh.
STU: Because I'm looking at our transcript and, you know, maybe we transcribed it wrong, but you you said social justice and economic justice, they are code words. Now, the idea hang on, Stu is saying that I'm advising people to leave their church? Yes! If I'm going to Jeremiah Wright's church. In other words, when you said something, I asked you in your ear to clarify it.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh.
STU: Which you did immediately afterwards by saying you referred to Jeremiah right's type church, a Black Liberation Theology or Marxism or church that's turned into a political arm.
GLENN: Yeah. Religion scholars say the term social justice now listen. This is a defense if you know history, this is their defense? Religious scholars say the term social justice was coined in the 1800s, codified by successive popes and adopted widely by protestant churches in the 1900s.
PAT: After the progressive movement had kicked in. Jeez.
GLENN: For the love of Pete. Marx started in 19 1848. All of this stuff started percolating, all of Nietzsche comes along, everything, it's redistribution of wealth. I've told you this, the progressive movement started with people like Woodrow Wilson whose father was a preacher! They perverted Christianity! "The concept is that Christians should not merely give to the poor but also work to correct unjust conditions that keep people poor." Yes! You're exactly right. We should as Christians do that. But then there's that added little step of having the government do it, not you. "Many Christians consider it a reoccurring theme in scripture. Mr. Beck himself is a convert to Mormonism, a faith that identifies itself as part of the Christian family but nevertheless rejected by many Christians. Philip Barlow, Arrington professor of Mormon history and culture at Utah State University said one way to read the book of Mormon is a fast track on social justice." Yes, that is one way to read it.
PAT: I've never heard it described that way.
GLENN: A lot of latter day saints would think that Beck was asking them to leave their own church." Yeah, sure, uh huh. Mr. Barlow said that "Just this year the church's highest authority, the quorum of the twelve apostles, issued a new handbook of instructions." I love this. "Which they revise the church three fold mission and added a fourth mission statement: Care for the poor."
PAT: People! People! Individuals!
GLENN: That's you.
GLENN: Caring for the poor.
GLENN: I have no problem. Faith, hope and charity. Yes! That's what Jesus said! But when Jesus came down, you know what it who were the Pharisees? Who were the Pharisees?
PAT: A group of intellectuals?
GLENN: Wait, wait, wait. The intellectual elite of the time?
PAT: Uh huh, uh huh.
GLENN: Wait a minute. Did they have any power?
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: Did they? Did they have any power in government?
PAT: Uh huh. Yeah.
GLENN: Did they have any power in the church at the time?
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: That's weird!
GLENN: So they were the elite, intellectual elites, they were the political elites of their time and they were the religious elites of their time, and they were all the same thing?
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: All three of those in one?
PAT: Weird, huh?
GLENN: It's weird.
GLENN: And so what did Jesus say? Get away from the Pharisees! Because they had perverted the mission of Christ into what? Political power. Hello!
STU: (Laughing). Yeah, what you I mean, the easiest way to boil down what you're talking about is don't let your church turn into a political arm.
STU: That's really controversial.
GLENN: Your church is there and that's why I said I don't care what church you go to. I don't care. As long as that church is telling you and helping you be a better person, be more honorable, be more honest, be more giving. But once that church starts to preach social and economic justice, especially through the structure of a giant government, well, now that's something totally different. Now, now you are talking about a church that is getting involved in government itself. We don't do that. We don't do that.
STU: Yeah. I mean, and the easiest way to understand what you were talking about is if you were talking about the poor, your own church obviously, they pointed out there that they do care about caring for the poor. So were you advising people to leave your own church? Were you advising your other parishioners to walk out of your church because you can't take it? Did you leave your church this week, Glenn?
GLENN: No, I didn't.
STU: Did you leave it?
GLENN: No, I didn't.
STU: Why not? Clearly the New York Times says you were calling for yourself to leave your own church.
GLENN: Because everyone, everyone can follow the dictates spirit and worship any way that they want. The idea is separation of church and state when it comes to, it is not a political arm. The your churches are not political arms. Now, that doesn't mean you don't stand up for what you believe in, especially if it is an attack on what you believe. You stand up for what you believe. If you think that you can get in I know we have to wrap it up. If you think you can get into bed with these socialist, Marxist, social justice and economic justice people and retain your right to worship in the way the spirit dictates to you, you're out of your mind. Because they'll be your friend today but they are going to turn on you and rip your heart of your church out.