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GLENN: I want to ‑‑ we have to talk about the nuclear ‑‑ no use of nukes, whether they ‑‑ chemical, biological weapons, whatever, they start it, they do ‑‑ whatever. We're never going to use nuclear weapons. That's the most, that's the most dangerous thing I think I've ever heard a president say. Stu is yelling at me. Go ahead, Stu. Come on.
STU: He didn't say that.
GLENN: Of course he didn't say that.
STU: I think it's one of the dumbest things I've ever heard in my entire life or worse but he did say there were uses for nuclear weapons.
GLENN: Yes, they are. If they are capable of ‑‑ if it's Russia or China, yeah, then we'll use it. Here's the president. Here's the president's policy that, what the president's policy should be. We're going to use everything that we have. If you attack the United States, we'll get the job done. We're not going to ‑‑
PAT: That's always been our policy.
GLENN: Right. We're not going to start with nuclear weapons, but nothing comes off the table, nothing, ever. Why would I tie my hand?
STU: Even if this was his will policy and which you can make an argument for ‑‑
GLENN: It is the policy.
STU: But what I'm saying is if it was his policy, that's fine, I guess. I mean, you can have whatever policy you want as the president to use weapons, I guess. But it's like, that should be ‑‑ we shouldn't be telling people.
STU: There's no benefit in that.
GLENN: I agree with you. I agree with you. The president of the United States can say to himself and to his staff members, guys, we're never using nuclear weapons, I don't care what you say, never, we're not using them. That's good. But you don't tell everybody that.
STU: The whole point of a nuclear arsenal is a deterrent. You want people to believe that you will use them if you are attacked.
GLENN: This guy is ‑‑ this guy has put us in ‑‑ behind the eight ball unlike anybody I've ever seen: "Well, it's time for us to make the world a safer place." Tell me exactly what has happened in the last sixty years that has made the world such a dangerous place with nuclear weapons. Tell me how we have been threatened by nuclear weapons that wasn't solved through strength. Show that policy to me. They have had this since Truman. We've had these policies since Truman. What's the new information here that our president has that says that we need to change our policy? What has been the problem? The only time we're ever threatened with nuclear weapons is when we're weak: North Korea and Iran. We're weak. We get into bed with them and we're like, okay, well, we're just going to talk it out, we're going to trust you. Trust but verify. Peace through strength.
My favorite bumper sticker is the bumper sticker with the peace symbol made out of a B‑52. Have you ever seen that?
PAT: I don't think so.
GLENN: You haven't seen that? Oh, I love this bumper sticker. It's a peace symbol but it's a B‑52 bomber. And it just says peace through strength. There's nothing better than that. We don't need to flex our muscles. We don't need to, we don't need to be every place. I'm not saying that I'm a guy who ‑‑ I used to be a guy who was like, let's go and wipe them off the face of the ‑‑ nope. Nope, let's mind our own business. Let's mind our own business. We can learn from our mistakes of the past. But I got news for ya. If you hit the United States with a biological weapon, I am going to wipe you off the face of the Earth, if that's what it takes.
PAT: You are forgetting, though, who we're dealing with now. That's the quintessential ingredient here is he's not Harry Truman, he's not Bill Clinton even, and he's certainly not that dummy George W. Bush. He is the Chosen One, Barack Obama, and through the strength of his charisma, he will bring healing to the planet.
GLENN: Here's my question. Here's my question.
PAT: You laugh.
GLENN: No, I did.
PAT: You were buying it?
GLENN: No, I did. That's why I didn't comment on it.
PAT: Glenn took it absolutely seriously.
GLENN: That's true.
STU: A joke, a separate joke told in this room.
GLENN: Now here's the question that I have, and I mean this sincerely. If you would put ‑‑ I wish I had the chalkboard here. If you would put ‑‑ you know we have a chalkboard.
PAT: Go get it.
GLENN: It won't really work on radio. If you put two timelines together or two ‑‑ put the Soviet Union and the United States, but you have them moving politically in the opposite directions. We've always moved in the opposite directions. You know they've always been bigger government; we've been smaller government. Now our government has moved toward bigger government and they moved toward smaller government, okay? Their fundamental transformation of the Soviet Union happened because of an economic collapse because they spent themselves into oblivion. I mean, the parallels are shocking. You have Osama Bin Laden. You have a never ending war. You have enemies that are spending them into oblivion. You have the collapse of the Ruble. You have all of it. All of it. And you also have, the enemies around the world knowing that it can't last. I mean, that was Ronald Reagan's secret. While we were sitting here complaining about our own debt, Ronald Reagan knew that we could take on more debt at that time because the Soviet Union couldn't. When his advisors said, what are you doing with Star Wars; we don't even have Star Wars. Shut your mouth. Shut up. Well, why are you using this as such a chip? Why are you possibly saying Star Wars? Shut up! We want them to believe that we have this technology which will cause them to spend more money. We're burying them in a mountain of debt. We will collapse them through their economy.
Does this sound familiar at all? Then comes Gorbachev, and Gorbachev starts something called Perestroika because he knew that the people of Russia weren't happy. He knew that the system had corrupted itself. It was a bad system. But he thought, "Well, we'll just do a little bit of this." Well, you don't open the door a little bit on freedom. And all of the people said, you can't do that. You can't open it a little bit. This system will fail if you open it up just a little bit. "No, no, no, we'll be fine. We'll be a nice hybrid." What happened? The enemies, us, put the added pressure on their system financially. We also sowed the seeds of dissent inside their own country and rip them apart politically by going after people in Poland and everything else. So what happened then? Boris Yeltsin comes in. This is before the Soviet Union collapses. He makes a deal for the Russian federation. He goes out in the middle of the night into the middle of the woods and makes a deal for the Russian federation and says, look, guys, you know this is going to collapse and I know this is going to collapse. They signed a deal, he went in front of the proletariat and said, "You've got an hour to decide. There's going to be blood in the streets or you're going to okay this deal." A Politburo, yeah. You are going to take the ‑‑ you are going to take this deal or they're going to take any communist out and they are going to drag us into the streets and they are going to shoot us in the head, and that's just the way it is. You can either change your uniform and move into a suit and we'll save what we've got, and many of you will become powerful and rich, or we'll have Civil War. Which is it? You have an hour to decide. They decided to transform the Soviet Union into a freer place. It didn't work out for them. I contend we're on the exact same trajectory. I contend we are repeating the Soviet Union. We're doing the same thing, and our arrogance, just like their arrogance said, no, no, no, we'll survive. The question is, is Barack Obama Gorbachev or Yeltsin? I think you could make the case that George Bush was Gorbachev. Let's just open the door a little bit more on socialism. Let's just open the door just a little bit on, I need to betray the free market, destroy the free market to save the free market. That doesn't make any sense. That's Gorbachev. I need to retain ‑‑ to retain the Iron Curtain, I need to take the Iron Curtain down. It doesn't work! So is this president Gorbachev or is this president Yeltsin? Or there is a third option: I'm completely wrong.