KLEIN: And she said, un American. Now, she said it was just his policies, not him, but those words are license words. They're permission words, you know?
KLEIN: You know, I did I did a little bit of research just before the show, it's no this little napkin here. I looked up the definition of sedition, which is "conduct or language inciting rebellion against the authority of the state." And a lot of these statements, especially the ones coming from people like Glenn Beck, and to a certain extent Sarah Palin, rub right next right up close to being seditious.
HEILEMANN: Well, and this is and, you know, Joe's right, and I I'll name another person. You know, name Rush Limbaugh, you know, who uses this phrase constantly, talks about the Obama administration as a regime.
GLENN: Okay, stop, stop, stop. How many times did Time magazine call the Bush administration a regime?
PAT: I think it was 16 in all. They called the first time they called the Bush administration a regime was one month into his administration. One month.
GLENN: Time magazine?
PAT: Time magazine, we did that chart.
GLENN: Yeah, I know.
PAT: You know, because Chris Matthews himself has said it, the New York Times has said it and I think Time said it the most. I think it was 16 times, his own publication.
GLENN: All right. So this is ridiculous. Now for someone to speak out is sedition. I would challenge you to find that in the words of our founders. In fact, I believe it's in the Declaration of Independence that when a people find the government to be oppressive, it is our duty, and I'm not even going here. It's our duty to shake it off and to reconstitute a new government.
PAT: This is something that Judge Napolitano talked about at the American Revival a lot is the Sedition Act of 1798 with John Adams. It's so dangerous because they have this threat, we thought, and I think it was legitimate from the French that they were going to overthrow our government. They got nervous about that and so they passed this alien and sedition act.
GLENN: And it's exactly where Thomas Jefferson and names I mean, and John Adams went awry. John Adams Thomas Jefferson, he doesn't even have president of the United States on his tombstone. He didn't want to be the president.
GLENN: He did it because of the sedition act that said you can't do this, you cannot do this. I mean, that's what the king that's why when the Declaration of Independence said, they are all going to die.
PAT: A lot of people think Adams was kind of pushed into this by a lot of his advisors and the people of his administration but the fact is he signed it into law and so for, what, four years until Jefferson was able to overturn it, it was really a blight in American history. And now they are trying to you know, they continually talk about the other thing Clinton was talking about was returning to the free speech of our founders? Well
GLENN: The free speech of our founders?
GLENN: Then what is the Internet that they want to regulate?
GLENN: What is the Internet? The Internet is the modern day printing press. It is what Thomas Paine would be using today. I mean, and did you notice that Bill Clinton and, see, this is why this sedition act and everything else is a ruse. Why would you go out you are not going to go out and you are going to take really? You are going to take out Fox News, without an event, you are going to take out Fox News, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, you are going to do that? Really? Are you? No. They are not the target is not me or Rush or Fox. It's not. The target is you. If you notice, if you play back what the president said, the former president said on Friday, what he talked about was talk radio and the Internet. He talked about control of the Internet. Now, is it, is it just happenstance that we're setting up for an emergency and control of the Internet when Net neutrality has just been deemed unconstitutional by the courts and Obama says we'll do it one way or another, we'll do it through the FCC, we'll just make the Internet a utility. And then a week later Bill Clinton, speaking at the Center For American Progress, the Soros group, which is a big supporter of Internet neutrality, now all of a sudden he comes out and says this?
By the way, a month ago Bill Clinton came out and said that the tea partiers were the same kind of movement as the Contract For America in the Revolution of 1994, the Republican revolution. Well, which is it now, Bill, and what changed your mind? What makes the tea party the Republican Revolution in 1994 and now today makes it Timothy McVeigh? Did you have a conversation with someone? Did it happen to be at the Center For American Progress? What changed your mind on that, Mr. Clinton? Could you help us?
The target is not me. It's not Rush. It is you. You can silence our voices but as long as you can speak out. And look what they're doing now. We told you on Friday, there was a court case where they say you have no reason to expect privacy on your cellphone, in your Internet, Internet mail. They can, without a warrant they can go and check your e mail. That's what they are fighting for now in the court. Now federal security workers can snoop through more than your, you know, just your luggage. Now if you are deemed near a border, they can actually open up your computer and go through all of your computer. They can go through your phones, they can read your e mails, they can do everything. A digital seizure. Excuse me? Now if you are within 100 miles from Canada or Mexico, if you are traveling between Los Angeles and Phoenix, you can be stopped by the Department of Homeland Security and literally asked for your papers, drug dogs could be brought into the back of your vehicle without any reason. Doesn't the Fourth Amendment guarantee the right of Americans to be secure in their persons, their houses, their papers and their effects? It doesn't mean just papers. It means digital as well. But see, if they can say that you don't have a right to security on online, security in your e mail, security on your cellphone, they even are making the case now that you, because your cellphone can you triangulate, they don't need a warrant to say, where's Glenn Beck now? You don't have a reasonable right to privacy of location, the government is making this case now. Are you kidding me? If they can scare you into silence, they will. If they can use an emergency to take away your voice, they will. If they can do it legally, they will. If the court stops them, they will just change one way or another and Barack Obama said this over and over again. They will get it done.