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GLENN: I had probably the strangest group of people together last night. I had Robbie George who consults with presidents and popes, one of the great, great minds of our day from Princeton University. Then I had Dr. Alveda King from Atlanta, the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King, and then a good friend of mine, Ted Nugent who was it was almost surreal.
NUGENT: We deserve each other.
GLENN: It was really
NUGENT: And did you see how Dr. King and I snuggled?
GLENN: No, I don't think she was snuggling with you. I think you were snuggling with her. I think she was like, okay, guitar man...
NUGENT: She fell in love. Are you kidding me? That was pure love. We talked about my history in Atlanta and how I watched the paving of I 75 in Atlanta going from a little village to this megacity that it is today. No, we actually bonded. I salute you, Glenn, for having me on. I was honored to share that little campfire with you. I think we got very serious points across.
GLENN: Boy, I've got to tell you, was that I think that was and I said this last night and maybe it was just me, but I felt it was like a I don't know if it was a turning point or a crystallization.
NUGENT: Well, it certainly was a coalescence of altered opinions and lifestyles, and I'm so proud that you introduced me as the gun nut. I think that establishes that I am the most peaceful guy in the world because I am a gun nut.
GLENN: Yeah. I mean, is there any, is there any question, Pat? Ted Nugent.
PAT: That Ted's a gun nut? No, I don't think so.
GLENN: Not at all. But I don't know if I said this on TV last night but I know I said this yesterday in some format that, you know, the gun nuts that got together on the mall in Washington, D.C.
GLENN: They had loaded weapons!
NUGENT: Well, and again let's
GLENN: And there was nothing.
NUGENT: Let's just get past that because there is no controversy. The facts, the studies, the evidence is irrefutable. Where there are more concealed weapons permits on people's person on any jurisdictions in North America, you have a dramatic reduction in violent crime, especially assaultive type, you know, the rape and the robbery and the home invasion because unarmed I don't care what anybody says. John Lott's books prove it statistically that an armed society is a polite society. I was hanging out, me and the people I was with yesterday, they are all law enforcement heroes, and that armed society certainly is a polite society.
GLENN: Yeah. I said to a bunch of New Yorkers yesterday, the safest place you can be is in a roomful of people who have concealed weapons.
NUGENT: Beautiful. And let me tell you, when I walk the streets of Manhattan, you know, you think, well, Ted Nugent's kind of like the heartland, the flyover guy, but got to watch yourself on the coast. Uh uh, these are my friends out here. I get a, "Hey, Uncle Ted, what have you been hunting? What do you kill on the grill? Hey, Uncle Ted, I'm going to get a pistol; what should I get for my mother."
GLENN: I think the camouflage clothing that you are wearing right now is a bit much for New York.
NUGENT: I don't know. I saw some.
GLENN: He is the only guy, he is the only guy that makes me actually feel more comfortable in New York City.
GLENN: He'll no, no, no. Not for what you're thinking. Ted said, Ted said at one point, he said I think it was the first day we went on radio in New York, we had you on, and I remember you didn't know that we were going to New York and I remember, okay, this is we have Ted Nugent on and I'm like, oh, jeez, first day in New York, please, Ted, don't say anything ridiculous, you know, like and you did.
NUGENT: I didn't say anything ridiculous.
GLENN: Yes, you did. Yes, you did. You said right out of the gate anybody in New York who heard this, they were like, what the hell is this on the station. He said, you know, man, I just had the best weekend. He said, I was just out hunting deer and I had there's nothing, Glenn, like having your hands inside the guts of an animal and that warm blood that just and I'm like, oh, dear God.
NUGENT: Glenn, that's perfect. With all the pastrami flowing down the streets of New York City?
GLENN: Whenever I'm around you, I'm like, you know what? I feel almost like I'm a New Yorker when I'm with Ted.
NUGENT: I am so organic, it defies green. You know what I mean? I am the organic guy. I'm Natty Bumppo, I'm damn near Boone Davy Crockett.
GLENN: You really are.
NUGENT: And still alive and well and I love that stuff, man.
GLENN: You really are. You know, we got the old series of Davy Crockett and Daniel Boone.
NUGENT: You're Fess Parker, baby.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. And my kids well, they don't understand why Davy Boone and Davy Crockett look exactly the same.
NUGENT: Are they enthralled with that setting?
GLENN: They love it.
NUGENT: It's timeless. You talk rugged individualism, you talk about the spirit of independence that made this country. Those are the guys. The way I live is not out of time. I go to Alaska and Africa. The way I live, self sufficiency, you are talking about being an asset to your neighbor. You have to start by being an asset to yourself, and if you can take hands on that sustenance, the food, clothing, shelter, medicine that you need from the good Mother Earth in a face to face eyewitness, first person system, then you know you are being accountable with those resources that we use.
GLENN: I need styrofoam packaging. I'm sorry, I need styrofoam packaging.
NUGENT: We can get you some back straps in styrofoam.
GLENN: You know, can we have somebody, like can I be your neighbor and you go get the animal?
GLENN: And just put it in styrofoam for me to put in the refrigerator?
NUGENT: It's my favorite part.
GLENN: You know what, I was in where was I? This was like 25 years ago. Oh, I was in some place, Sicily, I think.
GLENN: I was going, doing a USO show no, no, no. I was in Spain. I was going to do a USO show on an aircraft carrier and so I was there for the night and I've never been before, and it was Palma de Mallorca and I go in, and the only thing I understood on the menu because I don't speak Spanish, the only thing I understood was rabbit. So I ordered rabbit.
GLENN: It came with eyes and teeth and I thought
NUGENT: Rabbits do come with eyes and teeth, yes.
GLENN: Yeah, but not usually, not for me. Not for me they don't.
NUGENT: Manhattan, an alert from Uncle Ted, sushi comes with eyes and teeth.
GLENN: I don't know, no.
NUGENT: They just remove it before you get it.
GLENN: I would like my eyes and teeth removed, please.
NUGENT: You know, one of my favorite celebrations is the honesty of what sustains us. And you see an Anthony Bourdain or the bizarre food and you see these guys going through the process of the uncomfortable reality of preparing food for the masses. Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, write this down: Your life has a gut pile. Know it, love it, admit it, and then you will be more responsible with fewer gut piles. But if you are not privy or honest enough to admit the system by which sustains you, then you can pretend and hire bureaucrats to waste everything in your name, USDA, FDA, OSHA, onward, insanity. So this individual lifestyle, I'm telling you, Glenn, I'm not the weirdo. People who don't understand gut piles are the weirdos. But let me clarify. When I'm in San Francisco, they understand
GLENN: Can you redefine gut pile for me?
NUGENT: That would be the entrails of
GLENN: Of all the animals?
GLENN: Could we could you soften that a little bit?
GLENN: I'm trying to make you fit into polite society.
NUGENT: No soften, no soften. And the gal down at Starbucks wanted to hear about my latest hunting adventure, and that happens in San Francisco, in Los Angeles.
GLENN: She's in New York! She's nuts!
NUGENT: I got you I got news for you. New York and San Francisco and LA
GLENN: Oh, I know.
NUGENT: Everywhere are filled with logical, hard working people.
GLENN: Can I tell you something? I used to feel very alone in New York and now it's, I would say it's I'd say it's 60/40 when I walk on the streets, 60 for, 40 against.
NUGENT: I'd say it's 90/10 with me, and I'm obvious because I only have one
GLENN: They are afraid of you!
NUGENT: No, they are not. I only have one shirt. So it's like
PAT: They don't want to see the gut pile on the sidewalk.
GLENN: No, kids, don't look down, show you a gut pile!
PAT: They know you can have your hands in their entrails any second.
NUGENT: And I'm not having any fun at all. That's the most important part.
GLENN: You over there: Hey, kids, come here; you know I had my hands in the warm blood of a deer about an hour ago.
NUGENT: In New Jersey, by the way. On Long Island, yeah.
GLENN: All right. So let me get back to Dr. King, which she appreciates at this point to be brought back into it. You know, you are because you are an old man. What, are you 75?
NUGENT: 78 now.
GLENN: You are 78 now?
NUGENT: That's why I walk like that.
GLENN: So you are, what, 60?
GLENN: 61 years old.
NUGENT: She and I are just about the same age. I'm just a year older than Dr. King.
GLENN: Thank you. It's good to know that you can reveal a woman's age and talk about
NUGENT: Well, she and I are that close.
GLENN: gut piles.
NUGENT: I'm honest to a fault.
GLENN: So you remember all of the Dr. Martin Luther King stuff. I don't. A, I grew up in Seattle and, B, I was born in 1964.
GLENN: So I don't remember it all.
NUGENT: I remember it all.
GLENN: Did you know about the did you know about the principles that they were saying you've signed these, you signed these things, you're going to march with us, you signed these? Did you know that?
NUGENT: I was a young man and I was fresh from the American education system, which makes me a dork. I was not politically aware by any stretch of the imagination. I was not historically aware. I was not historically educated. I was aware of white only water fountains.
GLENN: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
NUGENT: I was aware of the segregation.
NUGENT: And I wasn't aware of its cruelty, but watching the news with my parents, you certainly saw the manifestation of the evil of segregation which the dogs and the fire hoses and the abuse. And being a Detroit guy, when they rioted in 1967, I realized that it was a much more powerful force than I in my youth was ready for, and I started studying more and more. As a young man obsessed with rock and roll, I was already on the road playing 300 nights a year anyhow. It really started striking home, and I became hurt by the line drawn in the sand between blacks and whites, and I couldn't understand it.
GLENN: I want to go back here because there's something that Al Sharpton said, and we talked on the set after the show.
GLENN: With Dr. King. And something else Sharpton said to me about three weeks ago, and I think he kind of meant it as a little dig.
NUGENT: No. Not my friend Al not so Sharpton.
GLENN: But he was actually right about one thing, and I think it's a real positive, and we'll start there in just a second.