PAT: Yeah. Yeah, I am.
GLENN: You are such a hater.
SMITH: In the case of all three attempts in the last year, the terrorist attempts, one of which was successful, those individuals have had ties to radical Islam.
GLENN: Why the hate?
SMITH: Do you feel that —
PAT: Do you feel that —
SMITH: — these individuals might have been incited to take the actions that they did?
GLENN: He's thinking now, oh, crap, crap, crap, crap.
SMITH: Because of radical Islam?
HOLDER: Because of?
SMITH: Radical Islam.
GLENN: Because of? Stall, stall, stall.
HOLDER: There are a variety reasons why I think people have taken these actions. One, I think you have to look at each individual case. I mean, we are in the process now of talking to —
GLENN: Stop, stop, stop, I can't take it.
PAT: What one has to do is to actually look at the background of each —
GLENN: No, we just have to be consistent.
PAT: Look at their childhood, find out were they yelled at, were they told no too many times? Do you know that the average person is told no 38,000 times before they are 2 years old?
GLENN: This is the idea of Pat not being consist even.
PAT: There's a variety of reasons why Glenn would support the mosque near Ground Zero.
GLENN: No, there's only one, the Constitution and the rule of law.
PAT: The Constitution doesn't say anything about mosques.
GLENN: No, congress shall make no law.
PAT: There's no law against building a mosque. There might be a zoning rule.
PAT: That maybe we hadn't seen yet.
PAT: And we might find, oh, look at that!
GLENN: I cannot believe.
PAT: Look at the zoning law!
GLENN: You don't believe this.
PAT: I didn't realize that! It escaped my attention.
GLENN: You don't believe this. You don't believe this. You want to.
PAT: There are so many laws on the books, I know they could make this not happen. I know they could.
STU: They always can but that's not a good premise.
PAT: And they always do.
GLENN: Cass Sunstein.
PAT: Don't give me this stuff that, well, do you want them to do that to you? They are already doing that to me and they will continue to do it whether they grant this to the mosque or not.
GLENN: Hang on just a second. I'm calling your wife in a minute.
PAT: Call her.
GLENN: So now you're saying
PAT: You won't wake up — I don't think you want none of that.
GLENN: Get Jackie on the phone. Get Jackie on the phone. Get Jackie on the phone. Write your number down. So get Jackie on the phone.
You're telling me, you're telling me, Pat.
GLENN: That now, if I may boil your argument down to, one, two can play that game or, two, they started it. Is that it?
PAT: That's not my argument. No.
GLENN: Oh. What is your argument?
PAT: My argument is this is Ground Zero, it's hallowed ground.
GLENN: No, it's not. It's 500 feet away from Ground Zero.
PAT: I don't think you need to build anywhere near.
GLENN: Do you have any evidence that they are —
PAT: I don't want you to.
GLENN: Do you have any —
PAT: I don't want you to! Has anybody even looked into it?
GLENN: Do you no! No! That is the problem!
PAT: I mean, do I have hard core facts?
GLENN: We should be having that conversation.
PAT: I know.
GLENN: Not whether they could build the mosque.
PAT: I know
GLENN: What you are trying to do —
PAT: Well, that has everything to do with whether to build the mosque.
GLENN: You are treating the symptom, you are treating the symptom.
PAT: No, that this has everything to do with whether or not they can build the mosque. If they are radicalized and there are some indications based on articles I've read.
GLENN: Then let's find that out!
PAT: I'm good with that. I'm good with that.
STU: But that's a really good reason to stop it, not the zoning law.
PAT: If you find any evidence of radical imams, how does that stop the mosque from being built?
GLENN: Are you kidding me? Are you out of your mind?
PAT: How does that stop the mosque?
GLENN: Are you out of your mind?
PAT: I don't think so.
GLENN: You give me the evidence. You give me the evidence. I'll pound that evidence every single day. You will have people protesting out there every single day.
PAT: I know, but so —
GLENN: But you cannot do it because it's a religion that you don't like.
PAT: But you don't like their ideology, you don't like their theory. But you can do it based on you don't think they like Americans? You can't do it on that?
PAT: You can't do it based on that?
GLENN: No. If you give me the evidence.
GLENN: That they are tied to radical Islam, there's a reason to do it. There's a reason to do it. You are tied to a group.
PAT: In what way? I mean, what is strong enough to stop the mosque from being built?
GLENN: Financing. Where's the financing coming from?
PAT: What if he just preaches hatred against the infidel? Where do you draw that line?
GLENN: I thought that we drew that line a long time ago. I didn't think that you could preach from the pulpit, to kill others. I didn't think that you could wipe out the infidel. Can you?
PAT: I think it is being preached.
GLENN: I agree with you, but that is again my problem with the State Department. We know it is happening in Virginia and they won't do anything about it.
PAT: Mmm hmmm.
GLENN: But in Virginia, but in Virginia you have a different situation.
PAT: You have her on the phone? You want to talk to her? All right. You ask her. You ask her about this mosque, whether it should be built.
GLENN: Hey, Jackie?
GLENN: Are you listening to the show?
PAT: No, she's doing homeschool.
GLENN: Yeah, okay.
PAT: They are getting ready — they are doing stuff.
GLENN: You and Tania are exactly alike.
PAT: Do you think she sits around eating bon bons all day?
GLENN: No. You just never listen to the show.
JACKIE: I do, too.
GLENN: You are so unimpressed with both us and you are like whatever.
JACKIE: We hear enough of it.
GLENN: I know. Okay. So here's the thing. You know the mosque, the 9/11 mosque that they are opening up and dead indicating on 9/11?
PAT: 500 feet from Ground Zero? I think we've talked about it.
GLENN: Okay. I know —
PAT: Tenth anniversary of 9/11, they are opening it next year.
GLENN: Excuse me.
PAT: Tenth anniversary.
GLENN: Excuse me.
PAT: $100 million mosque.
GLENN: That is a separate issue.
PAT: $100 million, 13 story mosque.
GLENN: Hold on, hold on.
STU: Objection, objection.
PAT: $100 million 13 story mosque opening 9/11, 2011.
STU: Is the cost important there, the height? Is that important?
GLENN: Okay. Now, may I?
PAT: Relevant facts because there might be a zoning law.
GLENN: May I have a conversation with your wife?
STU: Yeah, New York City hates 13 story buildings.
PAT: You don't want none of this.
GLENN: Jackie, I am offended by this mosque. I am offended at when they want to open it and dedicate this mosque. Could — may I have a conversation? I would like to have a conversation —
PAT: You are having a conversation.
GLENN: Would you like to not stop? Stop doing their little Yoda thing. Tell your husband to act like an adult. All right. So —
PAT: She knows that's virtually impossible.
GLENN: I am offended by it. I don't want the mosque being built there. I think it is — I think it's a slap across the face.
PAT: Get to your big "But." I mean the but, you know, the conjunction, not the... area behind you.
GLENN: What are your — Jackie, what are your —
PAT: Although they both are somewhat large.
GLENN: What are your income learning skills here? Because I'd like to, I'd like to talk to you about how your income and your home is going to be dramatically reduced. All right. So here is the, here is the question.
GLENN: I know that the federal government and local governments have stopped us from building churches through zoning laws, et cetera, et cetera. I know that our religion in particular has been targeted.
GLENN: And they have used, they have used zoning laws any way they can when all of the evidence shows when you build one of our temples in a neighborhood, the value goes up.
PAT: How long before you ask the question? That's all, how long — ask a question.
GLENN: I am making a point.
PAT: I wasn't allowed to make one. My 13 story —
GLENN: Yes, I did. Yes, I did, and you are interrupting my point!
PAT: $100 million mosque on 9/11 —
GLENN: You've already made the point. You've already made the point.
PAT: Was out of line somehow.
GLENN: I think it's wrong when they do it to us.
GLENN: It is wrong for us to do it to them. If we can prove criminal activity, if we can prove that this is a radicalized mosque, if we can prove that radicals in Saudi Arabia are funding this, then that's a different story. But we don't invent zoning laws to stop somebody —
PAT: Don't tell her how to feel. Just ask the question.
STU: He's laying out a predicate.
GLENN: I'm sorry, your Honor. Do we invent zoning laws to stop people from building —
PAT: I didn't say invent. I'm saying there's probably one that exists already that we use. There's probably one that's already on the books.
GLENN: Let me —
PAT: How many zoning laws are there in Manhattan?
GLENN: I'll boil it down for the 8 year old in the room.
PAT: How many zoning laws are there in Manhattan?
GLENN: I'll boil it down for the 8 year old in the room. They started it.
GLENN: Can we do it too?
PAT: That's not the point.
GLENN: They did it first.
PAT: Not the point.
GLENN: I'm just two can play that game.
PAT: Ask her the question.
GLENN: I just did.
PAT: Ask her the question.
GLENN: Should two play that game or should you stand on principle?
PAT: What are you trying to, MSNBC?
STU: She is trying to speak. Let her speak.
GLENN: Let her speak. Why won't you let your wife speak?
PAT: Let's do a push poll. Let's do a push poll poll.
JACKIE: Did they start this before 9/11 or after?
PAT: Oh, way after. It just started like in the last year or so.
STU: There is another mosque in the neighborhood that's been there for 30 years but that's not the one we're talking about.
PAT: This is a brand new mosque, next to September 11th.
GLENN: Make no mistake. This is a poke in the eye.
PAT: Do you let him do it or not?
GLENN: There's more than that. It's a punch in the gut.
PAT: Do you let them do it or do you find one of the incredible, fantastic Manhattan zoning laws that would disallow this happening?
JACKIE: You know, that's very hard because, you know, our —
GLENN: Oh, I thought I didn't want a slice of this. I thought she was going to be so — I thought she was compounding —
PAT: A 15 minute blabbering!
GLENN: Pound me in the face after she's presented with the other option!
PAT: Your show, a 15 minute blabber fest! I'm radically opposed to this! I want you to support my position or your husband is fired! Should they build a mosque!
JACKIE: I'm going to support both of you.
STU: Let her speak! She's trying to say her position!
PAT: Go ahead, Jackie. Yes or no, should it be built?
JACKIE: I absolutely believe that is a slap in the face.
JACKIE: But what our country stands on are freedoms!
STU: Let her finish! Let her finish.
PAT: Ask her about her butt! Ask her about her big butt!
JACKIE: What? Big butt?
STU: What our country was built on! Can we get to the one sentence! She said what the country was built on!
JACKIE: Are freedoms that all religions may be —
PAT: Are you going to try to say that you support the mosque being built 500 feet from Ground Zero?
JACKIE: I don't support the mosque being built there but we cannot stand —
PAT: Big butts!
JACKIE: , you know, on their feet about that. We have the —
PAT: What a sellout.
JACKIE: We have the freedom of this country just as we would want to build our churches, our temples.
GLENN: You go back and teach your children. You go back. I'll keep your husband employed for a while so your children can be taught by you every day.
GLENN: I'll do it against my will. I'm doing it for you today, Jackie.
PAT: It's a good thing you are doing it because there needs to be some common sense on this show.
GLENN: Yes, and we just heard it.
JACKIE: We can't pick and choose.
GLENN: Thank you.
JACKIE: There is, there is —
PAT: I think we're all out of time here. I think we're done here.
GLENN: Jackie, I knew I loved you for a reason. I knew that you were the smarter of the two. All right. Thanks a lot, Jackie.
JACKIE: All right. Bye bye.
GLENN: You go home and you listen to your wife. You don't listen to her enough.
PAT: I don't listen to her at all. (Sniffing)
STU: (Laughing). Nice sniff.