VOICE: What more can the president do here? He didn't go ahead.
CARVILLE: George, the president of the United States could have come down here. He could have been involved with the families of these eleven people. He could have commandeered the things there. We could have sent the Woods Hole people, we could have sent the Scripps people. There aren't research vessels in the Gulf of Mexico. He could have demanded a plan in anticipation of this. You know, right, he can't exactly fill the hole up. Last night it was on Larry King with the CEO, the former CEO of Shell. They said they got 85% of this stuff cleaned up in the gulf in Saudi Arabia. He could be commandeering tankers and making BP bring tankers in and cleaning this up. They could be deploying people to the coast right now. He could be with the Corps of Engineers in Plaquemines Parish doing something about these regulations. These people are crying, they are begging for something down here and he just looks like he is not involved in this. Man, you got to get down here and take control of this, put somebody in charge of this thing and get this thing moving. We're about to die down here.
GLENN: Now wait a minute. Hang on just a second. That's James Carville talking about Louisiana. Why does Barack Obama hate black people? Why does Barack Obama hate black people? Once again, Louisiana, let me tell you something. If this was happening in the very white state of...
GLENN: Idaho, Maine, I'm not sure —
PAT: Doubt they would have a spill in Idaho, I mean —
GLENN: They could.
PAT: You know —
GLENN: They could if all of the white people wouldn't live where these kinds of things happened.
PAT: Yes. Then they could.
GLENN: Then they could have had the spill there.
PAT: They could.
GLENN: Why are all the white people living in places where you couldn't have a spill like that? That's another question that deserves to be answered.
PAT: So they blend in with the snow, I think.
GLENN: I don't know. Camouflage? Is that what you are saying?
PAT: Maybe. So they can sneak up on all the people they hate.
GLENN: Where is that cry? Oh, I remember that cry actually came from Kanye West who then had Van Jones push that out into the body politic. Yes, in case you didn't know, that was Van Jones and his organization that pushed, why does Bush hate black people? Oh, I didn't know that. A little tidbit. Of information. So —
STU: They were only selling T shirts with it on there.
GLENN: I know. So why does Barack Obama hate black people? Is it the white part of Barack Obama? Does he only hate, 50% of him hates black people? Is that what it is? I don't know. That's the kind of question that would be asked if it was reversed on politics. This isn't about politics. It wasn't about politics with Katrina, but they made it about politics. Now, the real question is, why aren't we doing anything? It doesn't have anything to do with race. It has nothing to do with race. Why aren't they doing anything about that? Let's explore that, next.
GLENN: Here's Christopher Dodd on the oil spill.
PAT: In just a second. (Sniffing).
GLENN: This is just to make you want it more.
PAT: Yeah. It builds, it builds the anticipation. You know that something special is about to happen.
GLENN: Now, a lot of people might say this is the most unprofessional audio vault keeper.
PAT: Other people who are in the know would know that two seconds before the Dodd audio was called for, there was no talk of Dodd audio.
PAT: And so —
GLENN: Okay, are you the gate keeper?
PAT: And so said Dodd audio wasn't ready because there was no
GLENN: Are you the gate keeper? Are you the gate keeper?
PAT: No, I'm the key master.
GLENN: Then I'm the gate keeper. Play the audio.
IMUS: Specifically a failure of leadership of the president, Obama, and the administration, wouldn't you agree?
DODD: Well, not you know, they come into office a year ago with all of this and so after the last eight years of a regulatory environment it was drill, drill, drill. I think you were quoting drill, drill, drill a few months ago, weren't you, with Sarah Palin, the two of you, drill, drill, drill?
IMUS: I wasn't saying it. Don't try to lump me with Sarah Palin and don't use that lame excuse to me about the Bush administration. Have you lost your mind? I mean —
DODD: No, not at all.
IMUS: The president's been in office for a year and a half and they have been dragging their feet and even people like James Carville said that his behavior's been at the very best lackadaisical and naive and you are still going to try to blame Bush?
PAT: Listen to the comeback.
DODD: Calm down now, calm down now here on the ranch.
PAT: Calm down. I mean, Imus makes a great point. This happened day before yesterday on the show and he's trying to hold Dodd's feet to the fire and, look, this is obviously Obama's deal, right? The first thing he does is play the Bush blame card again, again. And he gets a little, you know, a little frustrated: Calm down, calm down. That's his only comeback.
IMUS: My hair's on fire, isn't it?
DODD: Your hair's on fire out there, I wouldn't want to be a cowhand here today, I'll tell you.
GLENN: No, you are just blaming the president for something, you are blaming the former president for something that happened under this president's watch. (Laughing). And the gulf is just on fire and the fishing industry and just, calm down, calm down, I know.
PAT: Nothing to get excited about. (Laughing). What's a few billion fish dying?
GLENN: It's incredible, it's just incredible.
DODD: It's new and obviously this goes on a long period of time. To lay this at Obama's doorstep in light of years and years of regulatory permissiveness when it comes to —
GLENN: Excuse me. Stop, stop. Please tell me that Don Imus followed that up with, "Then why the hell did this president, what was it, two weeks after the spill started, signed another waiver for exactly this kind of deep sea drilling, another waiver for the exact same company!" Please tell me he asked that.
PAT: I'd love to tell you that.
GLENN: Oh, boy.
PAT: I don't like to lie.
GLENN: I'd hate to be a cowhand around me today.
VOICE: Operations didn't occur in the last year and a half. You didn't lay this all at Obama's doorstep.
GLENN: No, I —
PAT: If he were reelected in 2013, they would use the same excuse, 2014. You can't lay this all on Obama. Six years, Ronald Reagan, this started under Eisenhower,
GLENN: It was those white slave owning George Washington and Thomas Jefferson trying to —
PAT: What about King George who used take care of these situations?
GLENN: We've got to get him.
PAT: Louie the XV! If he would have listened, we would have Charlemagne —
GLENN: It's British Petroleum, it's those damn British —
PAT: Dinosaurs died, became this fuel and stuff.
GLENN: Our president wouldn't have had this problem if we were still under the king! Jeez.
PAT: It's unbelievable.
GLENN: Okay, here you go. March 24th, March 24th, 1989. Exxon Valdez. It was two months.
STU: Not 18 months? Because I know you blamed the former president.
GLENN: No, it was two months, two months.
PAT: Well, the regulations...
STU: The Carter years were very —
GLENN: Two months. Two months, Exxon Valdez. 14 days later, 14. How many days are we? 36? 37?
STU: 37. 37.
GLENN: We don't have any numbers on the TV anywhere. I'm looking at all the TVs. Nothing that says America held hostage.
PAT: Day 37.
GLENN: Day 37.
PAT: Pelicans in the balance.
GLENN: 14 days later, Peter Jennings: Well, it took him a while to make up his mind, 14 days after the oil began pouring out of the Exxon Valdez into Prince William Sound, President Bush has ordered the federal government to take over control of the effort to clean it up, which makes it a hotter political issues, too little, too late. The Democrats are crying up in Capitol Hill. 14 days later Bush federalized it. Too little, too late. 15 days later, Dallas Morning News: Decision to send troops and equipment is long overdue. Exxon Valdez, 3/24/1989, 4/8/1989, Dallas Morning News, long overdue. 22 days later the Seattle Times: Alaskan oil spill, crisis not under control, despite all of the promises. The inexcusable delay in the cleanup of the Exxon Valdez oil spill continues. More than a week after President Bush expressed interest in the catastrophe, little federal help has even arrived on the oil soaked beaches of Prince William Sound. 4/20/89, 27 days, still not where we are now. 27 days, the Bush administration yesterday faced sharp criticism from the U.S. congress for not decisively taking control of the Exxon Valdez oil spill as senators called for new laws that would require the president to direct such cleanup efforts in the future. Senator majority leader George Mitchell said George Bush was, quote, slow to comprehend the magnitude of this disaster and valuable hours were lost after the May 24th spill in Alaska's Prince William Sound when it might still have been controllable. They were barking dogs back then. They had everybody in line.
STU: Was the bark in the quote or was that —
GLENN: Yes, it was. 4/23/89, how did the press coverage affect George Bush? When George Bush got in, he had been in office for two months. As an environmental president, for two months. The press hammered him so much that one month later after the Exxon Valdez, one month later his handling and his standing on environment dropped from 60% to 39%. In 30 days. 21 points in 30 days. This wasn't just the approval of the handling of the spill. This was his overall handling of the environment because the news was filled with nonstop oil drenched birds, criticism of the president for not doing enough. How many times did we see the birds? How many times? We are much further into a much bigger spill and the government is doing much, much less. The president is going to enjoy his vacation. He's going to go on vacation. But don't you worry. He is not going to be able to really do anything on the oil spill this weekend and I don't know, they will try to get to the paperwork for Bobby Jindal. We'll try, we'll try, we'll try. We're busy right now because I've got, you know, they have got that EPA contest going on for kids to talk about how great regulation is. I've got the faith based initiative going on right now where I've got the EPA going into your church to be able to give your church money if they side with the EPA. But the EPA — so the EPA's busy in your church and the EPA is busy everywhere else in your classroom with your kids. I can't expect them to — I mean, it's a holiday weekend coming up. Last thing we can do is expect them to actually okay something or say, no, Bobby Jindal, you can't do those things, period. We've made a decision, we think it's detrimental and here's why. No, no, no, I've got to go on vacation. They are busy in your school rooms and they are also busy in your churches. So we're going to go on vacation. But don't worry, I'll be back for the Paul McCartney concert. I can't make the whole, you know, laying the wreath at the tomb of the unknown, but I am going to be back in time for Paul McCartney. Where the heck is the media? We know where they are. They have already been threatened. They have already been threatened by Robert Gibbs. I mean, did you read that story on Robert Gibbs?
PAT: Closed door meeting where he told them you are talk — you are asking me too many questions about BP?
GLENN: I'm sorry. What? Can you even imagine any president, any president, including Clinton, any president say that?
GLENN: To the press and get away with it.
PAT: Well, and even with Clinton. I mean, Lewinsky blew up in his face. He couldn't stop that.