Chris Christie vs. Teachers Unions
GLENN: But there was something else, Pat. What was it?
PAT: The Chris Christie porn.
GLENN: Oh, Chris Christie porn. Oh, boy.
PAT: Oh, yeah.
STU: Again, can I protest again the name? Common sense porn, which you said it, it was your quote.
STU: It's a great way to sell that.
GLENN: No, I think Chris Christie is the key here. Common sense, sure, yeah.
STU: It is common sense.
GLENN: But Chris Christie himself, a politician saying the things that he says? I mean, you know, just dingdong, pizza delivery, man. I mean, it is —
PAT: Come in. Oh, hello, Chris.
GLENN: It really, it really is. Go ahead, give me a little bit of this before we take a break.
PAT: All right.
CHRISTIE: We know that there's over five million people trapped and over 10,000 failing public schools around America and I use the word trapped and I use it directly. They are trapped by an educational bureaucracy, they are trapped by a selfish, self interested, greedy school union that cares more about putting money in their own pocket and in the pockets of members than they care about educating our most vulnerable and needy children around the country.
PAT: Thank you. Thank you.
GLENN: Listen to him. Who says this?
CHRISTIE: And by those children, I mean very clearly as you know, more than 50% of those children that we're talking about are in our largest cities and they do not graduate. 50% of the children in our largest cities in America never graduate from high school.
GLENN: That's obscene.
CHRISTIE: Now in New Jersey in the city of Newark we are expending $24,000 per pupil in public money.
GLENN: Holy cow!
CHRISTIE: For an absolutely disgraceful public education system.
PAT: Wow, is that good stuff.
STU: Yeah. One of the things they did in New Jersey, a little bit, might be shady on the details here because I'm kind of remembering it from something I read but basically at one point there were these poor cities that didn't have enough money for their schools and that was the case. That's why they were underperforming. So they started having this sort of New Jersey state fund which all the other communities would dump into and then that money would go only to the poorest schools.
GLENN: You are not saying that it went corrupt.
STU: Not only did it not go corrupt.
STU: But also they dumped money. The amount of money they are spending on these schools is a fortune and, of course, it hasn't improved performance at all.
GLENN: Play the one from last week where the teacher stood up who made $86,000 a year and was bitching that she wants to make $82,000 a year at least.
PAT: Yeah, okay.
GLENN: I mean, it was just a — go ahead.
VOICE: You are not compensating me for my education and you are not compensating me for my experience. That's —
VOICE: Well, you know what? Then you don't have to do it. I mean, the simple fact of the matter is —
GLENN: Go to the private sector.
PAT: Yeah, don't do it. Duh.
VOICE: I do it because I like it.
GLENN: The simple fact of the matter is this —
VOICE: Teachers do it because they love it. That's the only reason that I do it.
VOICE: Well, and you — listen. And teachers go into it knowing what the pay scale is.
VOICE: That's right, that's right.
VOICE: Teachers go into it knowing all that.
PAT: Then shut up about it if you knew it.
GLENN: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. If you go to a private sector, you won't have this argument. You won't have it. Because the market will bear the price and the market will also demand performance. The market won't allow you to have a job forever and ever and ever, no matter how much you suck at it. And the other teachers who don't suck at their job and want to be freed up to be able to teach children? Isn't it weird? They will celebrate you leaving. People don't want to be surrounded by losers. People don't want to be surrounded by people who hate their job who are miserable. People don't want to be trapped and not be able to do what they feel is right. People want to be free. Teachers want to be free. Teachers know what the problems are. Go to the private sector, gang. Go to the private sector and you won't have these arguments. "Oh, well, yeah, you got..." $24,000 per student? In New Jersey?
PAT: That's insane. That's insane.
GLENN: Where 50% don't graduate? What are you doing?
STU: Yeah, hundreds of thousands of dollars per classroom.
GLENN: In classrooms.
PAT: It just shows, throw money at it, doesn't work.
GLENN: By the way, our SAT scores have been going down so far, so fast. Started in the 1960s, 1962 or '63, which is surprisingly the same year that we chased God out of the schools. But the SAT scores, do you know when our SAT scores were doing well back in the 1950s, when things were actually happening? Do you know the class size I think was 36? We didn't seem to have a problem with that. Now it's if you don't have a class size of one on one, you're in trouble. And the teachers are complaining. And look, I get it. I get it. It's not the teacher's fault. It's not just the parents' fault. It's all of our faults. But let's actually talk about real change here. Not just spending more money. Giving, you know, another program or giving — it's not going to solve it. It's not going to solve it. It doesn't work. So let's stop doing it. Let's get out of the insane. And let me again quote James Garfield. The truth will set you free but first it will make you miserable. You don't want to deal with these things. We don't want to have these conversations. But we must. If you want to fix it, you've got to look at the truth. And it will set you free, but the first thing it's going to do is piss you off and make you miserable.