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GLENN: So, we have to restore the things that have been lost. The sins of the father are going to come home to roost. They are going to be passed on now to our children because we didn't pass on things like thrift and moderation and honesty, competitiveness. We're not doing it now, but Pat and I have been talking about doing a baseball well, actually I haven't been talking about. I've been talking to him about doing it, because he's so upset, in Connecticut taking your son to Little League baseball.
PAT: Yeah. When I went to the very first meeting, I was really surprised because they laid out how the season was going to progress and they told us that, all right, during the regular season there will be no standings kept and they went through the whole thing, that at the end of the year, everybody goes to the playoffs and so everybody's listening to this, and I'm looking around thinking is anybody am I the only one is anyone going to so, I finally raised my hand, stood up, I'm clear in the back of this auditorium and I said, Um, did I hear you say you're not keeping standings? Yes, yeah, you did, yeah. Why? These are I mean, we're talking about the major division in Little League baseball. These are 12 year old kids, 11 and 12 year olds. Why? Well, what we would like to see is for everybody at the end of the year to be 500. Okay. So, the goal here at the end of year is for total mediocrity? 50/50, that's what you want to be everybody? We're not striving for excellence. Well, we don't really see it that way.
GLENN: How do you see it?
PAT: Come on. How are you looking at this? I'm looking at it with my eyes. How are you looking at this?
GLENN: See, now, I think Pat said not a single person stood up.
GLENN: And I think that comes from, A, people just buying into it.
GLENN: Connecticut is just lost. New England is a lost cause.
PAT: Uh huh.
GLENN: Stu just looked up, like, I don't think New England is a lost yes, it is. The entire region. I don't think that's overgeneralization or a hasty generalization. Those who believe in the freedom of the individual will be rounded up and then eaten.
PAT: If Abraham went to the Lord and said, I can find 50 conservatives in New England, the Lord would say, go, go find them.
GLENN: I would be, like, okay. Wait a minute, Lord.
PAT: I have 25!
Glenn: Look. It's me in New England. It's me and Pat. We're there. That's what's happening.
STU: Well, if you count Pat's family, there's probably 300.
PAT: That's a good point.
GLENN: And when we start to feel the earth tremble, both Pat and I have talked about it. We don't even have to talk about it. We'll meet you on the New Jersey said of the George Washington bridge. Get out of New England. So, that's really the biggest problem. We could cross the Rocky Mountains. I'm just not sure we can make it to the George Washington bridge. That's really the deal.
So, the other part is you also have these parents who don't want their kids to feel like their kids are going to be, you know, beat on by the coach because their parent said something.
PAT: Because they speak out. Yeah. That is a difficult one and I was a little well, especially after my wife berated me. Did you stand up and say that? Well, yeah. Now they're going to take it out on our son.
GLENN: Good. That will toughen him up. It will toughen him up. He doesn't want to be a part of that.
PAT: No, he doesn't.
GLENN: That's the one thing I learned in alcoholism. Do you know what? You can hide all the things that you have inside that you've done wrong and everything else and you can carry that around yourself or you can say, Do you know what? I did bad things this my life. I've corrected those bad things. I'm going to learn from it. I'm not going to be afraid of it anymore. I'm not going to hide it. If you don't like it, well, then, you know, that's your deal. And if you're not going to be my friend because of that, things I've learned from, you're screwed up. That's okay. You go be somebody else's friend. You're not a real friend of mine. I don't want to be I don't want my son on a team where we have to pretend to be something that we're not, we have to pretend to be noncompetitive.
PAT: And during the course of the year, I found out it was even worse than keeping standings. They don't even keep score during the individual games.
GLENN: Okay. So, I told you that if I thought if you started a baseball league, I think it could be huge, a challenge to Little League baseball, which would either correct Little League baseball or, do you know what? You it wouldn't matter because all of the people from your league would be the ones that would be in the major leagues eventually, because you're not learning jack but not being competitive in Little League baseball. That ain't helping you at all.
PAT: Yeah. And you're not taking advantage of all the things that Little League baseball can teach. I mean, there's so many lessons in life that you learn from winning, from losing, from overcoming adversity, from dealing with your teammates, working together, pulling together through adversity. You don't learn any of those things when you don't keep store and you don't keep standings. Who cares?
STU: Not to mention the information of playing baseball which is when you need to react different ways at different scores and different situations. You don't even learn that, baseball knowledge.
GLENN: Okay. So, are you going to start one?
PAT: We're starting one. So, if you want to be involved, you can e mail me at firstname.lastname@example.org.
STU: That's awesome.
PAT: email@example.com, if you're interested and you want to be part of something
STU: Baseball with principles and values. I love it. Yeah.
GLENN: Now, is it baseball I mean, I would love to help you work on the rule book. I don't know any of the rules but I've got a few things that I'd like to say to parents because I've watched. No. Seriously. The 9 12 baseball league should have the right to say, Hey, parent, sit down and shut up
PAT: Absolutely. That's got to be there.
STU: Yeah. Is this one of those things where, like, they will adopt a set of practices or is this something that's, like, it's a central organization, kind of like where you are, you know is it an actual league that's being run and you're a member of it or is it, like –
GLENN: Do you hear the pause? Do you hear the pause? He hasn't even thought about it.
PAT: No. I was trying to understand the question is what it was.
STU: I'm trying to understand the question.
GLENN: He got the e mail address and he's, like, I don't know. I've got an e mail address. What else do I need? We'll all get together and find it out.
PAT: I thought we would kind of organize it like the 9 12 project, where we set up the principles and values and then you run your own individual league.
STU: Right. So, like, if you already have a league but can you sign up?
PAT: I'll be the commissioner. I'll act as commissioner.
STU: I like that, but let's say you're running a league in Tampa, Florida, and you say, my league fits these principles and I pledge to follow these principles in my league, is that enough?
GLENN: It's not just good sportsmanship principles. It's going to be we're going to rip the other team's face off.
PAT: We're going to beat you.
GLENN: We're going to beat the snot out of you, but we're going to do it as good sports but we're not going to rub your face in it because you won't have one when we're done with you. And if we lose, you're not going to rub our face in it. We're going to come over to you and congratulate you if you win and you're going to come over and congratulate us if we win and we're going to pledge to each other to wipe the floor with the other team the next time we meet.
PAT: It's a league based on merit. You don't give
GLENN: Oh, shoosh, shoosh.
PAT: You don't give the ball, the team ball, the MVP, the game ball to each individual player just to pass it around evenly. You don't redistribute the ball. You give it to the most valuable player. If it's the same kid every game, it's the same kid every game.
GLENN: So, there it is, firstname.lastname@example.org. Write to Commissioner Pat. I think that's great.
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