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GLENN: Donald Berwick and this is how he feels about English, English healthcare and how he feels about, you know, redistribution of wealth.
BERWICK: And that any healthcare funding plan that is just equitable, civilized, and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate.
PAT: Can it get any clearer than that? Can it get any clearer than that?
GLENN: Now, real quick do you have the audio — or do you have the line? I guess it's not audio, but him talking about the redistribution of — not redistribution but rationing? I can quote it off the top of my head, but I know that George Soros is spending millions of dollars just —
PAT: Yeah, if you get one word wrong —
GLENN: If I get one word. I just want to make sure. Do you have it?
PAT: I have that quote here somewhere. Just —
GLENN: I'll give it to you after the break.
PAT: Are you talking about it's not a question of whether we will ration healthcare. It is whether we will ration with our eyes open.
PAT: That's the quote.
GLENN: That's the exact quote. That is the guy who's running Medicare and Medicaid that the president just appointed and slipped past the system. Okay?
GLENN: Robert Gibbs was asked if Obama agrees with Berwick, the new Medicare/Medicaid czar. And he is a czar because he wasn't approved now by the — by congress. Congress was bypassed on this, not because of the Republicans but because the Democrats didn't want him, either. Why? Because the guy is a massive socialist, talks about any good healthcare system must, quoting, must, must be redistributive in nature. Redistribute the wealth.
So we have it on tape. We have his other piece on tape — in written form where he talked about, we have to ration. It's not a question of whether we will ration, if we'll ration but whether we'll ration with our eyes open. So brave reporter asks the question, does the president agree he? Gibbs didn't answer the question. Here's what happened.
GIBBS: I know that this is the exact type of political game that the American people have come to understand dominates Washington and doesn't actually make their healthcare more affordable.
REPORTER: One more on this. You said it would have been, your comment, there would have been a confirmation had there been a hearing. But you also think it would have been politically troublesome in election year to have all these comments aired out about rationing, redistribution that Dr. Berwick had talked about.
GIBBS: You just read comments. Does it — is there like a secret comment book that somehow you got that nobody else got and you just read a couple of them to me and somehow they wouldn't have come out?
GLENN: Stop, stop. You notice the press is laughing. The press is laughing because the press doesn't even read anymore! They're laughing! Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha! There is no secret comment book! It is easily found! The videotape is easily found!
Play the video again, please. Play the audio of Berwick and exactly what he said. He's asking, he's asking, redistributive wealth. Does the president agree? "What, do you have some sort of secret handbook that has these?" He's making you into a conspiracy theorist if you believe that that's what this man believes. Well, let me play the audiotape of Berwick saying it in his own voice! His own mouth was forming the words! We'll show you the video tonight. Here it is.
BERWICK: And that any healthcare funding plan that is just, equitable, civilized and humane must, must redistribute wealth from the richer among us to the poorer and the less fortunate.
GLENN: So is there some sort of, I'm sorry, some sort of secret handbook that you have where these comments that you got that nobody else did? No. I'm sorry. We just pay attention. It's a little thing that's so incredibly dangerous called... videotape, audio recordings, photographs. As of this moment, Mr. Gibbs, you don't control the Internet, and people on your team have been incredibly sloppy. They've actually said what they believe... out loud, in public, around video recorders.
Back to the question with Gibbs.
PAT: Yeah, got to get back to the, you know, I had to —
GLENN: Yeah, that's all right. That's okay. Go ahead. That's all right, go ahead.
PAT: Here it is. Here it is. It's pretty fast actually.
GLENN: Play the audio.
PAT: Actually got back to it pretty quickly.
GIBBS: Did he say things like rationing happens today; the question is who will do it? Did he say that? Did he say that?
REPORTER: That was one comment.
GIBBS: Actually that was Paul Ryan. That was Paul Ryan. He's a Republican in congress.
GLENN: Stop, stop, stop. Here's the game they play. First, discredit. Conspiracy. Then, did he say that? Did he say that? Did he say that? It's a Republican. Oh, okay. Well, I don't like him then, either. He's wrong on that as well. I mean —
STU: I'd like to hear the context of it, of course.
GLENN: Yeah, I'd like to hear the context, but this is what they do with George W. Bush. Really? You don't like TARP? That was George W. Bush.
First of all, you promised change. America knew we needed change, not transformation but change. So we were all on the change bandwagon here. You didn't define it. But I don't know of a definition of change that means exactly the same. I mean, you can convince me that change, you meant something different on change. We wanted restoration, we wanted a restoration of honor, of trust, of common sense. You can convince me that your change meant transformation, and I was just dumb enough to not question you. Well, not us and not me, but a lot of America just was dumb enough to just go on the change thing because transformation is definitely change. More of the same, the exact same policies, the same kind of stuff the Republicans wanted to do, I'm having a hard time finding the definition of change that means the same.
STU: Another thing, too, is if you listen to this, the timeline of this Gibbs comment, someone brings up the thing about redistributing the wealth and he seems shocked by it. He accuses him of having a secret book that no one even knows, yet unless we missed part of this clip, he never brought up the rationing part, yet he's completely armed with Paul Ryan's quote. Gee, Robert, it seems like you were prepared, you did know about both of these comments.
GLENN: Oh, my gosh. I never thought of it that way.
PAT: Yeah. And you know he did.
GLENN: I never thought of it that way.
PAT: Of course.
GLENN: You are exactly right.
PAT: And that's why you know they were prepared for this from the beginning and they probably set out, find me a Republican who talked about rationing.
STU: Something similar, yeah.
GLENN: Go ahead. Is there any more left?
PAT: Yeah, a little bit more.
REPORTER: That's fine, you got your own comments.
GIBBS: That's not my comment. That's Paul Ryan's comment.
REPORTER: Okay, that's your own comment book. The comment I just read to you came straight out of the speech he gave in —
GIBBS: No, no, that came out of Paul Ryan's mouth.
GLENN: Oh, jeez.
PAT: I mean, just on and on. Just on and on. He never answers the question.
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