GLENN: How is it that immigration reform, when you have a law that says government, do your job, that you can't do. But you can have immigration in cities that says, by the way, I don't care what the federal law says; we're not doing it. How is it that no one has brought that up? How is it that we don’t file suit against New Haven, Houston, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Boston, New York.

PAT: Not only is New Haven, Connecticut a sanctuary city but they also issued special cards to illegals, right?

GLENN: Yeah, they issue IDs.

PAT: Interesting.

GLENN: I would really like to know that. And I would also like to know, and I've had this conversation with Judge Napolitano over and over again, but I'm sorry, I don't buy into it. They always say, well, we decided state rights in the 1860s. Excuse me? Yes. For slavery. Yes, we did. For slavery. But there's a difference between slave ---- well, maybe there's not. Because I contend we are on the same -- we're having the same argument except in reverse. Illegal immigration is slavery. You are enslaving people.

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: These giant corporations, the government is doing it for voters. The corporations are doing it for cheap jobs. They don't have to provide healthcare. They don't have to provide anything. They can screw with these people any way they want, put their hands in a meat grinder. Oh, really? What are you going to do? It's slavery!

PAT: And it's too late now but if we would have approached the problem in that way from the very beginning, we would have won this argument a long time ago.

GLENN: It's not too late. It's not too late. The churches must teach the truth. And not about politics. It couldn't be about you know what's really strange to me is, have you noticed that they don't ever this occurred to me last night. They don't ever attack me as a libertarian and no one ever points out how much I pissed off the conservatives and the Republicans during the Bush administration. I mean, Pat, you remember. We had program directors tell us, you can't do this, you can't come out against George Bush, you can't excuse me? I'm sorry. I'm going to be true to who I am and the values that I hold. "You're going to lose the whole audience!" Well, if I lose the whole audience, then the audience is stupid. That they can't handle that we disagree on things. I don't believe that of my audience. As it turns out, we were right. But you notice they never say that because they must make this about Republicans and Democrats. Again it's what the Weather Underground manifesto talked about, politicize everything. So it's just about Republicans versus Democrats, instead of principles. We must break out of that cycle as human beings. We must not be about the Republicans or the Democrats. We must be about principles and values because that's the way you can that's the only way you can win this. Because it is about slavery. Now we're saying the state has a right to survive and chase not only the people who are coming in illegally and causing all kinds of problems but also going after those who are enslaving people, that the state has a right to survive. What is the president of the United States doing? He has made the Constitution into a suicide pact. Am I wrong on that? California, you tell me. What is crippling you well, besides progressive policies and overspending in absolutely every front and the environmental things that you're doing and

PAT: I guess a better question would be what isn't crippling you.

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: All their policies.

GLENN: What is crippling your hospitals? What are crippling your schools?

PAT: Yeah.

GLENN: Illegal immigration.

PAT: Judicial system.

GLENN: Judicial system, prison system. You don't have enough resources to deal with these things. You don't have it. And so what's happening? You are going to implode. Well, by the federal government not doing what is on the books - you don't need comprehensive reform! You need to enforce the laws.

PAT: Look what's happening right now in Arizona. It just barely took effect yesterday supposedly and already it was working! Already people are self deporting. They are picking up their stuff and they are going home.

PAT: Everybody says, how are we going to ship all these people --you don't have to.

GLENN: They go away. They go away. And let me tell you something. How do you get rid of the big businesses that are hiring people, you know, illegals because they think that you need a salad that is a dime cheaper? You don't have to have this. You start prosecuting people and I mean, put these people out of business. You knowingly, knowingly hire illegals; you should be fined. You knowingly hire illegals a second time after you've been fined; you should be put out of business. Period. You should be put out of business. Or you should go to jail, or whatever it is. We can come as a society to rational, reasonable things, but you don't hire illegal aliens to run your business because you can get it done cheaper.

Now, I know how difficult it is to get people to do manual labor. I know. That's the other side of this problem. Is that you can't get workers. They will say, you can't get workers to do. I know. Try to get a neighbor kid like I used to be, mow the lawn for the neighbors. Do you remember, is it just me that used to take their lawn mower and you'd go to neighbors' yards and you'd say, can I mow your lawn? And you had a job mowing your neighbor's lawns? That was your summer gig! You mowed lawns. Try to get kids to do that now. Can't? Well, that's not a problem with illegal aliens. That's a problem with us. That's a problem with us as moms and dads. That's saying manual labor is beneath them, that they shouldn't do that, they should go do something else. Tell your kid to go mow the lawn. And you know what? Tell your kid to go mow the lawn for the needy people, the old lady down the street or whatever, tell them to go do it for free. Do it because it's the right thing to do. Do it and don't take any credit for it. Just go do it. We don't do that anymore. I mean, it's a whole societal issue here. But I'm sorry, I don't understand the Constitution being a suicide pact. I don't understand how a state has to financially self implode because the government won't do their job. States have a right to survive.

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