PAT: That's right. And Chris Matthews explained that I think night before last. He came out with this new poll and he showed how stupid people really are.

MATTHEWS: We finished tonight with a stunning new poll that shows only a minority of Americans, 42% believe the president of the United States was born in this country and therefore eligible for the office. The new CNN survey released today found that just 23% of Republicans believe Obama is a native born American.

PAT: Wow.

MATTHEWS: This means that most Americans and three quarters of Republicans harbor either the belief or suspicion that the president is an illegal alien, that he was not born here, never went through a naturalization process and therefore is a potential subject for deportation. Well, this will strike many listening to me now as crazy. Do people really mean it when they tell pollsters that they do not believe President Obama was definitely born in the U.S.? Do people really believe he was born in Kenya and if so, to a Kenyan mother or in Indonesia? Do they really believe that the announcement of his birth in the Honolulu newspapers in August of 1961 was part of some long term, well executed conspiracy to create the appearance of Barack Obama's birth on that day which is what it says in this standard certificate you are looking at you are looking at released by the State of Hawaii you see now.

PAT: What we brought up yesterday on the Fourth Hour when we talked about this and by the way, you can listen to the Fourth Hour immediately following the show every day on the Internet Extreme.

STU: Insider Extreme, yes.

PAT: Insider Extreme. I did the same thing Glenn does, didn't I?

STU: Yes, it is on the Internet which is where you might have got that thought but, yes, it is Insider Extreme.

PAT: But the point is he I forgot the point. What was the point?

STU: Was the point potentially is that Chris Matthews speaks as if he has a train to catch in three minutes?

PAT: At one point, yeah.

STU: Why what is wrong with him?

PAT: I know.

STU: Why he's breathless throughout this entire commentary. The word "President" has more than two presidents. Not precedent. It's President Obama has a lot

PAT: That's a bunch.

STU: President Obama, where we're up to like six syllables, he does it in two.

PAT: He's got a lot to say. He has to get it in, you know.

STU: And he's so breathlessly attacking evil tea party members that he can't even stop to speak correctly which I guess is understandable. And that's the least of his offenses there. I mean, it's the typical response. They run these polls and they try to build them up to prove that the typical Republican or the person on the right is just this racist hate monger who doesn't have any actual policy concerns with this president. He is somebody who just can't take the fact that we have a black president.

PAT: Yes.

STU: And he looks different than you, and I can't take it; I don't think he was born here.

PAT: And the only people talking about this Birther nonsense are Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann and Alex Jones. I mean, they are playing right into Alex Jones, the father of all conspiracy theories, right into his hands.

STU: Right.

PAT: They are the ones who are keeping this going, they and the administration because it helps the administration.

STU: Right.

PAT: To paint people as crazy. And look, if you are a Birther, leave it alone! Please.

STU: Yeah.

PAT: You don't need it.

STU: Yeah.

PAT: There's so much real stuff here to get our teeth into. You don't need to worry about this Birther nonsense.

STU: Right. The vast majority of people haven't thought about whether President Obama was born here or not because it's not an issue.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: The guy was born in Hawaii. You've got to get over that. And MSNBC just keeps bringing it up constantly because it's the only issue Obama wins on right now.

PAT: Yeah.

STU: It's the only thing he could he has to convince everyone that the people opposing him, the 65% of people who want to repeal his stupid healthcare plan must all be racist Birthers. That's all he has.

PAT: It's ridiculous.

STU: And that's why they bring it up constantly. And they do it with these polls which are completely ridiculous. The bottom line is most people haven't thought of these issues. So when you get this happens in polling all the time. When you get an issue that's unfamiliar to you, people answering a poll will essentially look at the context of the question and guess at it. Many times it's because they either like the guy mentioned or don't like him. For example, 10% about 10% of people think Barack Obama is the Antichrist.

PAT: 10%?

STU: 10%. About 10% of people think George W. Bush is the Antichrist. It's the same people. If you really hate Barack Obama and someone's asked you a question about Barack Obama and when you're asked a question by a pollster, you internalize the fact that it must be an actual debate. So there's a certain amount of people who go, yeah, I hate Obama, yeah, him, he's the Antichrist. It's why 35% of Democrats thought George W. Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks. It's because they didn't like George W. Bush. So they will say anything that will hurt the guy. That is what happens. There's a certain segment of our population that goes down that road every single time. But when you actually look at the poll and break it down, it tells a completely different story. The only headline you are getting from this poll is that 41% of Republicans are Birthers. That is what is repeated constantly by, you know, everybody on the left right now. But what it really says, if you really look at the numbers, is if you were to talk to a random person in America, if you were to walk up to any random person in America, you would have about an 11% chance that they think Obama was born outside of the U.S. About 11% of people think he's definitely born in the U.S., he's not a U.S. citizen, but 11% is a great estimate of any wacky question that you ask a poll. As I said, 10% think George W. Bush was the Antichrist. About 10, 11% will say anything to any poll. So it's really not significant. But so if you go, random person on the street, 11% chance that they believe he was born outside the United States. But if you were to gather all the Birthers, all the people in the world, that are in America who think that he was born outside the United States and you gathered them all in a room and you went up to one random one and you asked them, hey, what party are you in, 35% would say that they are Republicans. 35% of Birthers are Republicans. 42% of them are independents.

PAT: Wow.

STU: 23% are Democrats. So if you walk up to summarize that in case you missed it, 65% of Birthers are not Republicans.

PAT: Jeez.

STU: 65% are not Republicans. I mean, and they try to, like you know, they fool with these numbers, they try to add leaners to it and everything else. But even when you add leaners, you can add all the leaners you want and you still get to the point that 59% of Birthers are not Republicans. So this is not I mean, Birtherism is bipartisan. I mean, more accurately, opposition to Birtherism is bipartisan. There's not a lot of people who believe it, and as they believe it, it's just a random grouping of people with a slight edge to the right just because they don't like Obama, but this is not something that you could come out and prove anything on. It's a really vague question that does not it does not illustrate anything other than people don't know how to read polls in the media.