GLENN: So then we have Velshi, Ali Velshi from CNN and he gives this point on CNN: "Timothy McVeigh was raised a Catholic. Suppose our government leaders in New York, our state leaders step in. I mean, should we, should we go into the Catholics as well? Because Timothy McVeigh was a Catholic. Do we entertain petitions of moving Catholic churches away from the Oklahoma City bombing site? I'm sure you are thinking that sounds ridiculous." Yes, that's he's a mind reader. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. "But ask yourself, is it ridiculous because Catholicism is familiar to you?" Let me think. No. "Or is it your argument is that what he did was different?" No. He did it exactly the same. He did exactly the same thing. Timothy McVeigh killed innocent people. Except there's more to the story. "Or is your argument that Timothy McVeigh didn't kill in the name of Allah?" No, Timothy McVeigh killed in the name of insanity. He killed in the name of oppressive government.

PAT: Had nothing to do with religion whatsoever, nothing.

GLENN: Zero.

PAT: Nothing.

GLENN: Would I have a militia that does not stand up against Timothy McVeigh and say that Timothy McVeigh is a bad guy and what he did was a horror show and won't dismiss taking money for from, you know, from the Unabomber? Would I have them build 500 feet away from Oklahoma City, would I allow them to build a giant structure? No. No, that would be insane. That would be insane. Unfortunately for Velshi, he should watch his own network because on his very own network, the morning after McVeigh's execution, was this. Quote: Timothy McVeigh was baptized in the Catholic church as a boy but had stopped practicing and recently described himself as an agnostic." So it had nothing to do with the church. "Moreover as the terrorist himself admitted, he bombed Oklahoma City federal building as, quote, a retaliatory strike, a counterattack for the cumulative raids that federal agents had participated over in the preceding years including but not limited to Waco. He did not do it in the name of the Catholic church. He did not do it in the name of a Christian god. In fact, that was Al Qaeda that did things like that. They issued a fatwa in 1998 declaring that killing Americans and their allies is the individual duty for every Muslim and they can do it in every country in which it is possible to do it in accordance to the words of almighty God." That's the fatwa. That's not Timothy McVeigh. And there's one more comment. The Rick Sanchez who I honestly don't know how the man ties his own shoes. I'm sure he has slip ones. Rick Sanchez, quite possibly the dumbest man on television, and that's saying something because there's some dumb people in television. But Rick Sanchez I think has to be the dumbest man in television. A guy who doesn't understand that a volcano can happen in a cold place like Iceland.

SANCHEZ: I was just asking Chad, how can you get a volcano in Iceland? Isn't it too when you think of a volcano, you think of, like, Hawaii and long words like that. You don't think of Iceland. You think it's too cold to have a volcano there.

GLENN: Long words like Hawaii.

SANCHEZ: It's too cold to have a volcano there.

GLENN: Too cold to have a volcano there. And besides, when you think of volcanoes, you think of long words like Hawaii.

STU: Which are shorter than Iceland.

GLENN: What a dope. This guy's the dumbest man ever on television.

PAT: I don't know how you can say that.

GLENN: You don't know?

PAT: I don't. I don't know how you

GLENN: That's the only example I have.

PAT: Well, there might be others, but

VOICE: 3:00. Thanks so much, Wolf, appreciate it. Look forward to seeing you. Good job on the Situation Room today, as I'm sure you will do.

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GLENN: What a dope.

PAT: But I mean, you couldn't find anything else.

GLENN: No.

VOICE: Down here we had this big drop. This is about a 9 meter drop.

VOICE: Nine meter drop?

VOICE: Nine meters.

VOICE: What does that mean?

VOICE: Well, it means that the ocean waves are doing something, that we're seeing some changes. It's been going down and

VOICE: By the way, nine meters in English is?

PAT: Still nine meters, Rick, it's still nine meters.

GLENN: Still nine meters. And meters is English.

PAT: (Laughing).

GLENN: What a dope.

PAT: I love it.

GLENN: Anyway, so here's his here's his latest. "If you start going into who's giving money, you gotta go to Rome and start asking where's the money going into Rome." What? And you have to go to the Mormons and ask, what are they doing with their money?" No, I don't know if you get this, Rick. The Catholic church and no renegade part of the Catholic church is flying planes into building.

PAT: Yeah, but remember that group, that band of marauding Mormons? Remember them?

GLENN: They were really

PAT: Remember them?

GLENN: Holy cow, yeah.

PAT: Remember they continued to scream that they would do it again, too?

GLENN: Yeah.

PAT: Remember that?

GLENN: And they were like, yi, yi, yi, yi, yi, no coffee! Oh, that was great!

PAT: Threaten Starbucks? Oh, my gosh.

GLENN: Well, they threatened never to walk into a Starbucks because there was really nothing well, the hot cocoa is pretty good. So this Mormon goes in there. But anyway, that's a whole different story. You are onto something, Rick. You are onto something. And when I think of Catholics and Mormons, I normally think of really... bigger words like decent.

PAT: Or Jew.

GLENN: (Laughing). Long words like that.

STU: (Laughing).