Cloward and Piven - 'It is ok to use violence as long as it is a BIG part of your strategy'
GLENN: All right. Frances Fox Piven, she is she's a looker, she's a thinker. Why do you what?
PAT: What? I don't know what the looker part had to do with it.
GLENN: You were laughing. She is.
PAT: No, you're right. She does look like something.
GLENN: You got Fox in your name.
PAT: You must be.
GLENN: You must be a looker. The video of Frances Fox Piven at TheBlaze.com and she's having this is an intellectual discussion about violence. Now remember, this is the Cloward and Piven person: Collapse the system into a new system. And so she's kind of, I believe, the architect of, "Hey, let's spend ourselves into oblivion and get as many people on welfare and everything else as we can because the system won't be able to handle it." But she goes on here to talk a little bit about the use of violence.
PIVEN: I have, uh, uh, considerable respect for, uh, nonviolence.
GLENN: Okay, stop. Is that the most calculated answer you've ever heard just there?
PAT: I have a, I'm going to call it, uh
GLENN: How could I put this so...
PAT: Considerable, uh, not revulsion. What's the word I'm looking for? Uh, respect.
GLENN: Respect for nonviolence.
PAT: For nonviolence.
GLENN: Well, that's big of you.
PAT: Good. Wow.
STU: Well, she doesn't entirely detest nonviolence and that's fantastic.
PAT: She's not repulsed by it. So that's a good start.
GLENN: Come on, back to the Fox.
PIVEN: Treat it as inevitably necessary rule. The reason I have respect for
PAT: But she doesn't view it as an inevitably necessary tool, okay?
GLENN: Rule. Nonviolence.
PAT: But nonviolence is not necessary.
GLENN: Not necessary.
GLENN: Got it.
PIVEN: Nonviolence is that I think that it helps protect the protestors. So look, it's partly a problem of on the strategy and propaganda. You know, it's a violent country. It's a violent government. It's killing people. And they're going to call us violent if we break a window. But they will do that. So probably unless you have good reason for breaking the window, probably you shouldn't do that. Unless it's, you know, a big part of your strategy.
GLENN: Stop, stop, stop. So you've got to
PAT: That makes sense.
GLENN: Unless it's a big part of your strategy.
STU: You don't want to do it willy nulle, a little bit here and there.
PAT: You probably don't want to crack anybody's skull, unless it's part of a bigger skull cracking thing.
STU: Right. The skull cracking is the main part of your philosophy.
GLENN: These are the kind of people that Andy Stern adores, that there are people in the White House. They adore this person. They listen to this person. They think that she is a great thinker. Do you see? Do you see I'm not going what? Please listen to this program with your heart. Not just your ears but your heart. There are many things that I believe that I shall never say but I shall never say the things that I do not believe. I will also not say those things that will reveal our strategy. I think anybody with half a brain knows the strategy. And the strategy is peace, love, harmony. Peace, man, peace. It is an actual fact that it works. Why? Because it's one of nature's principles, from nature's God. They use it more as a tactic. That's okay. Those who are using it as a tactic will lose. Those who are using it because it's true and it will reveal all those things that are untrue will win. But for anybody who works at George Soros' office, I'm sure that's you guys and definitely not us.
GLENN: She goes on to talk about, you know, got to do what you've got to do. Do you now? You know, Nancy Pelosi has heard this kind of talk before, and it scares her. I don't know if she should go to TheBlaze.com and see us.
STU: I love her argument on why she is okay with nonviolence, which is it protects the protestors. It's a good rhetorical piece to say to people, look, we were just being peaceful. It's not that she thinks that it's right to be peaceful. She just thinks that it's a good arguing point.
GLENN: There are those, there are look. If someone is coming at you, you have a right to protect yourself. But that's not use violence as a tactic. That is protecting yourself. And you have a right to self defense. But not to violence. Not to start something. That's not what you do.
PAT: Unless it's part of your overall strategy.
GLENN: Well, in the big part of the overall strategy.
PAT: Yeah. I mean, that goes without saying.
PAT: And it's perfectly acceptable, you know.
GLENN: I want to be very
STU: Yeah, uh huh, right.
GLENN: I have...
STU: Uh huh.
GLENN: I have some respect for those
STU: Some respect?
PAT: Who what?
GLENN: Don't want to
PAT: Crack skulls?
GLENN: Crack skulls.
STU: That's a strong endorsement.
GLENN: Well hey, hey, hey, there's some I think it's a propaganda thing.
PAT: Mmm hmmm. But you think that
GLENN: If you want to crack skulls, as long as that's your primary.
GLENN: I'm glad to see that Frances Fox Piven agrees with the overall strategy of groups like the KKK.
PAT: Well, that's a big strategy, though. Really huge.
GLENN: Overall, you know, the big part.
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