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GLENN: My name is Glenn Beck, along with Pat Gray and Steve Burguiere, otherwise known as Stu, our executive producer, and Stu has been following all of the charts, all of the numbers for the election. It is yet another primary day today. We had quite a heated discussion this morning on who we would vote for if we were in Delaware today, and I would go with what's her face.
STU: It's in theory. We should make the point that we don't know anything really.
GLENN: Nope, don't. Nope.
STU: It's one of those things like the way it is presented as O'Donnell is the real conservative in the race.
PAT: And Mike Castle is, of course, not.
PAT: And really that's accurate. I mean, I think he's pretty moderate.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah.
PAT: He's a pretty well known RINO. But the problem is in Delaware O'Donnell in the polls at least trails the Democrat candidate, whatever his name is, by 11 points. And Castle leads the Democrat by 11 points. So there's a 22 point swing there. So you want the conservative, but you're torn because there is a chance.
GLENN: Torn between two lovers.
STU: Oh, sing it.
PAT: Or in this case
GLENN: Okay, here's the thing.
GLENN: Here's the thing. America, may I, may I express that these two very intelligent men have become clowns today.
STU: Have we?
GLENN: Here's how. You guys, what is the definition of insanity?
STU: Let me look that up.
PAT: Glenn Beck?
(Laughter by all).
GLENN: Oh, man.
PAT: That is rich.
GLENN: You got me on that one.
PAT: That's rich.
GLENN: Okay. So what is the definition of insanity? It's doing the same thing.
PAT: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
STU: The second album from melodic death metal band Darkane. It's like I don't understand what that has to do with this conversation.
PAT: I don't, either.
GLENN: Here's the thing. We find ourselves in this same situation. This is the argument that people gave for John McCain.
GLENN: Yeah, it is.
STU: It's totally different situation.
PAT: It is a different situation.
STU: Totally different situation.
PAT: And here's why.
GLENN: He was running for president.
PAT: Let's at least lay out the scenario.
PAT: There's obviously most people think Republicans win back the House, but there's also a chance now that they could do the ten person swing in the Senate and regain control of the Senate as well, and Delaware is one of the keys, if not the key to making that happen. So you want the best chance possible. As much as we aren't all about Republicans, we are about conservative values and there's a better chance we might see some and put a stop to some of this madness if
STU: Wow, that was not the whole scenario. He cut you off.
PAT: I know.
GLENN: Because I get it.
PAT: You get it but others may not.
STU: And there's more to it, I think.
GLENN: Are you calling the American people stupid?
PAT: No, I'm not.
GLENN: That's what I heard, Stu.
GLENN: Is that what you heard?
STU: That's what Cass Sunstein said, the Homer Simpson America. That's what Pat Gray believes.
GLENN: Wow. Here he is.
PAT: You had a chance to turn on me, you turn.
STU: I'm Arlen Specter. Any party that wants me.
PAT: Arlen "Stu" Specter.
GLENN: Here's the
PAT: I didn't leave Pat Gray's position. Pat Gray left me.
GLENN: How many tea party people have destroyed the Republican candidate.
PAT: I'm not done.
STU: Many. Many, many, many. I don't know the number.
GLENN: I think it's like we're up to eight now, isn't it?
STU: I would say probably more than that.
GLENN: Eight where no, no, no. Eight where everyone thought, no, they don't have even a chance.
STU: Yeah, I mean, and Christine O'Donnell is one of these.
STU: She ran against Biden last time and lost by 30.
GLENN: Okay. So here you have the tea party movement. And me personally, I would vote for what's her face. I know nothing about her.
GLENN: Because you've got to break the back of the people like Trent Lott. If you don't, if you don't get progressives out of the Republican Party, if you don't chase with a broom people like John McCain, people like Lindsey Graham, the republic doesn't stand a chance. It's not going to work. It won't last. Because there's no choice. There is suicide by gunshot to the head or suicide by cocaine powder, slowly.
STU: But I think there's a larger picture here, and just look at it in a different way for a second.
STU: You're talking about taking, accepting a progressive as a Republican presidential candidate. Well, we can take we've had nonprogressive Republican. We had a Ronald Reagan. We can get Ronald Reagan in that position.
GLENN: Here's the problem no, no, no.
STU: There's no evidence we can get Ronald Reagan in the Senate in Delaware right now.
GLENN: Here is and I get that. But you've got to look at
STU: It's okay in Massachusetts maybe but not Lindsey Graham in South Carolina.
GLENN: I get it.
STU: We can get Jim DeMint in South Carolina.
GLENN: I get it that you have to have more liberal conservatives in places like California or Massachusetts, and I understand about Lindsey Graham because there's no excuse for Lindsey Graham.
GLENN: None. However, we're running out of time. And if anybody thinks that this November election is going to be the end all and be all and it's going to solve our problems and it's I don't even know if it slows our problems down. With them winning the House and the Senate. Don't, don't you dare think that it's beyond the realm of possibilities. Tonight we're going to show you I mean, what, did we just spend two hours this morning working on some stuff that we're going to bring on the radio show and television tonight about Frances Fox Piven and what's happening in England, all of the ties over there, what's happening with Cass Sunstein and nudging, and also what's happening with people on violence. I mean, I'm just not convinced that when you get a Republican let's just say you win the Republican Senate and the Republican House of Representatives and they say we're going to start cutting. You're not going to have enough to override a veto. So you are going to start cutting, and what is the president going to do? The president is going to they are already doing it with John Boehner. How many times has he said the name John Boehner in the last 24 hours? John Boehner has no power yet. He's already saying he's already said that it was the Republicans that stopped healthcare. No, they didn't have a chance to stop healthcare. It was your own people. He's blaming it on the Republicans for the taxes. Well, excuse me? You've already got, what, four, five Democrats that say, we're not standing with the president on tax hikes. We've got to have we've got to continue the Bush tax cuts or it will kill the economy.
So what you're going to have is the president is going to have all this fuel and he's going to go right directly mark my words. Van Jones is already doing it right directly to the most progressive, most violent, the worst of the worst on the left. And stir them up, get out into the streets, cause trouble. It's coming. It's what's coming.
Now, you have a choice. You either stand on your principles or you continue to make the same mistake that we always make. I've made it my whole life, too. And you say, well, but I want to win, I want to make sure. Not to win win, but we've got to compromise, we've got to... yeah, you do, but at some point you have to say enough. Enough is enough. And I we're running out of time, gang.
STU: I really think that that's an argument to not advocate for running Scott Brown in every state, where the Republicans could run Scott Brown everywhere and probably win 80 Senate seats and what good would that do? But when you're talking about look at Utah. You take Bennett and you replace him with Mike Lee, and everyone acknowledges that's a move, I don't know, two steps to the right. In, you know, in Delaware a move two steps to the right might be Biden to Castle. We're saying do we want two steps to the right or no steps to the right in Delaware. Because like, again, under the scenario like when she loses
GLENN: I want people like Trent Lott to be shut down in the Republican Party. Trent Lott said, and if I may quote, these tea party people, they're a danger to us and we've got to shut them down. If they come in, we've got to coopt them. They need to be this, to me, this election is not about the Democrats as much as it is about the Republicans. Those people like Trent Lott and all these people that have, they think, a lock on power, because they can convince you that, well, you're going to have to come the minute you compromise they go, see, they'll do it every time. They have to have us. They'll accept us because they need us.
STU: It's a good point.
PAT: It's a great point.
STU: My mind is not made up on that. And I think that, like, to me there's a difference because a vote is a personal choice. To me there's no question who you vote for.
STU: There's that sort of, who you kind of, the back of your mind kind of root for, it might be different in this scenario.
GLENN: Oh, yeah. No, you know what
STU: It's kind of evil maybe, but
GLENN: Oh, no. You know what? When you do
PAT: You are just flat out wrong on this, Stu. What, are you communist or something? You are just completely wrong on this.
STU: Thanks, Pat.
GLENN: You make a great point on this, and the point is there are times that you do things that you're like, oh, crap, I don't want to do this. And you're hoping, you're hoping that it doesn't happen that way. You know what I mean?
GLENN: You do it and you're like, okay. But you're hoping that it doesn't lead to something you know, for instance, in my church you have to, you know, everybody serves. I mean, I could become see how frightening this could be. I could become the bishop in my church. It's all voluntary. It's lay clergy. So you don't volunteer. If you want the job, you usually don't get the job. And everybody just does something else. Well, I go to church and I know that's a possibility and I keep going to church and I'm really hoping no, let me rephrase this because you don't want it, you usually get it. I really want the job of bishop.
GLENN: You see what I mean?
GLENN: But it doesn't there's a lot of things in life that you do that you're like, oh, crap. And you root
GLENN: for the other thing to happen.
GLENN: But you still stand there. And that's where we need to be. You still stand where you need to be.
STU: Yeah, I think personally and I've always felt this with a vote. You always should vote for the person you think would be the best person to win.
STU: You should never vote for who you think should win or who you think might win, you know, in terms of political thing.
GLENN: You compromise.
STU: But I think when you're looking at it as an overall perspective
GLENN: This is why he said, George Washington said that parties would be the death of us. Because they would collude, they would become corrupt, et cetera, et cetera, and then we would play this game. Instead of parties, vote for the individual. Vote for the person. And look, I haven't done this before. I haven't done this before. But we have to. Because of the people like Trent Lott that say, these tea party people, we'll just coopt them. And they will. And they will.
STU: I'm just glad you brought some sense to this unlike Pat who's been ridiculous the entire time.
PAT: I don't even know where you're coming from today.
STU: You're way off your base today, Pat.
PAT: Over to the dark side or with the Communist Party.
GLENN: I think you both are
STU: I'm with Glenn. I stand with Glenn. I don't know where you are.
GLENN: I think you are both clowns and you need to have your mic turned off.
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