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GLENN: I do want to go to Chris Matthews here on a couple of things because I find this interesting with what Chris Matthews is doing. He has either been abducted by an alien or had been abducted earlier and now the original Chris Matthews has been returned to Earth.
PAT: Or they're switching back and forth between Chris Matthews as the evil and the new and improved. Or maybe it was the old one that was improved. I'm not sure.
GLENN: I don't know what happened to Chris Matthews.
PAT: I'm not sure.
GLENN: But he's sticking up now for the tea parties, he's lecturing the president on whose money it is.
PAT: Yeah, here's what he said about here's what he said about taxes yesterday.
MATTHEWS: I have one small tweak to make today to what the president said today. He said stop saying that giving people tax cuts is giving people money. It's their money. A tax cut is when the government doesn't take our money. It's an important distinction. He talked today, for example, about people getting a check today from the government in the form of a tax cut. That's not the way it works. If tax rates are kept lower, it's a matter of the check going to the government being smaller. Again it's an important distinction.
GLENN: Is he being fired at MSNBC and he wants a job at Fox? What, where who is this guy?
STU: Was there someone behind him with, like with like a threatening I feel like he was going to hold up a note, I'm being held hostage to the camera.
GLENN: What is that?
STU: Karl Rove behind him with a knife?
GLENN: I've never heard Chris Matthews say anything like that.
PAT: Except the other night when he said the tea party thing. He went on and on about the tea parties.
MATTHEWS: Let me finish tonight with a question: Just where do you think this explosion of voter anger we saw last night in Delaware and have seen growing in voters in Pennsylvania, Florida, Utah, Nevada, Kentucky, Colorado, Alaska and in just about every poll across the country is going to take us? Last night as the dust began to clear, I heard progressive glee that the anger was on the verge of burning itself out, that the victory of Christine O'Donnell in Delaware like that of Sharron Angle in Nevada was throwing away the election. How could voters of the general election go so far as to elect one of these candidates the angry primary voters have kicked up? I suppose I had my eyes on something different. While others were seeing dead people that defeated Mike Castle who was supposed to be so strong this November, I saw the strength of the flames that consumed him.
PAT: You did?
MATTHEWS: And will consume many others this rapidly approaching election night. I've waited all my adult life for an election in which voters have the fire to burn those who have been running the show for decades but I didn't know it would come from the right and the center. 2010 could be the first year in modern times when being in office and part of Washington is the worst possible credential when facing voters. I don't know how far the fire will burn. Based upon last night's returns, I expect it has a long way to go. It could topple the House and, yes, the U.S. Senate. It could bring the defeat of people who feel even now they are not endangered. It could produce an election night spectacle of name brand politicians standing before stunned supporters saying their careers are kaput. Why is this happening? Because this economic system is failing to produce the security and opportunity people have come to expect in this country. In this middle class country, the middle class is scared. And when people are scared, they get angry. They sense a rot at the top and are ready to chop it off. If the plan of those in power is to raise a ton of cash and run nasty TV ads saying you can't vote for this new person, that he or she is flawed, I expect the voter will say, are you telling me I have no choice but to vote for you? Are you saying that I, this little voter out there, dare not take a chance on someone who has not yet let me down as you have? If that is what you are telling me, that I have no choice, well, Mr. Big stuff, you just have to wait
GLENN: Stop, stop. Stop, stop. It's like I'm listening to a tea party rally. He could be on the speaking tour of the tea party rally. Why? Nobody makes that kind of change. Is he on medication or did he stop medication? What is that? What is that? How do you go from they are nothing but racists
PAT: White people, all white.
GLENN: Just, could you please compile all of the old stuff?
PAT: Yeah, I've got to find all of that.
GLENN: All the old stuff that he said about the tea party that doesn't make any sense. All of a sudden? Now, some would say that he's an opportunist, that he is just trying but his career is over long ago.
GLENN: No, seriously I don't mean that to be
PAT: That's not demeaning in any way. Done with love.
GLENN: No, I don't mean it to be mean.
PAT: Oh, I know.
GLENN: I just mean it to be accurate.
GLENN: He has been on MSNBC, he has so destroyed his credibility with "thrill go up my leg."
GLENN: And then "thrill go up my leg" deux. I mean, his career is over. So now is he just reaching the twilight of his age and or of his career and saying, wait, I don't want to be completely irrelevant yet? And he's just caught himself too late?
PAT: I don't know. Good question.
GLENN: Is he playing a political game that I mean, I don't understand this.
STU: I would say, you know, approximately once to every three to five months, he says something like this.
GLENN: No, but he said a lot of things. This is when was the last time you heard him say anything nice about the right?
PAT: That was in 2003 when he said this about Glenn Beck during an interview with him.
MATTHEWS: I listen all the time. I figure about 30 years older than you are. You are amazingly smart for such a young guy anyway.
PAT: Wow. I listen to you all the time. You are amazingly smart for such a young guy.
STU: And he was defending Rush Limbaugh throughout that entire interview as well.
PAT: Yeah, remember that?
STU: And then he changed to, like, all of a sudden Keith Olbermann lite and then
GLENN: But remember so which is he? Is he this guy or is he the guy who says Saul Alinsky, I think back often to, you know, our
PAT: One of my heroes.
GLENN: One of my heroes, Saul Alinsky.
PAT: Or is he the guy who calls Newt Gingrich Mephistopheles?
VOICE: Newt Gingrich lived a lie. He imposed a lie on this country when he imposed the moral scourge of congress when he was speaker going after Clinton. And now we know this guy, you know, was not an Avatar morality. He had treated, you know, two out of three wives incredibly badly. He was carrying on an affair with a staff member while he was going after Clinton. I mean, why would anybody listen to him criticize the background of Barack Obama? It shows how gullible a lot of people on the right would be, that they would stand there and they would applaud this character.
MATTHEWS: Well, I guess Christine O'Donnell's not the only Republican messing around with witchcraft these days. When you look at this guy, I think you are looking at Mephistopheles. You agree?
GLENN: Stop, stop.
PAT: He's so
PAT: So you can't I mean, we are always accused of demonizing.
PAT: He has actually called Newt Gingrich a demon!
GLENN: A demon. I love that. Don't demonize people all the time... except for that guy over there. He's an actual demon.
GLENN: That's amazing. I really
PAT: I guess if you assign a name to a demon like Mephistopheles, then it's okay.
STU: Well, he's a specific demon, not just a demon.
PAT: But if you say something about someone's ideology like, I think he's acting like a socialist, "Oh, you dare not! Oh!"
GLENN: He's acting like Lenin.
STU: It's not going to get better.
PAT: What do you hate?
STU: That road does not get better for the reaction to it.
PAT: It doesn't.
GLENN: I just don't, I just I'm sorry, but nobody everybody can change their mind. Everybody can have a pivot point. And maybe Chris Matthews should have his. But his came on an election night? You had an epiphany on the people that you have been trashing? For a year and a half? All of a sudden on an election night? Is it really, is life that much about politics that that was the first time: I've been looking my whole life for a movement like this. Well, it's a good thing you didn't die of old age six months ago, six minutes ago. Because you've just seen it. I've been looking my whole life. You'd think you might have seen it coming a little farther in the distance than when it was trampling you to death. If you've been looking for it your whole life, did you write down what the signs might look like? Did you "I've been looking, I've been looking for a pack of wild elephants my whole life." Well, as they are trampling over you, so you might think to yourself, I should have described them in my own head, they were gray, they were big, they would have really huge feet and three toenails. I mean, you'd think that you describe what they might look like in advance in case you you were looking for them your whole life, you might spot them before they were on top of you. But apparently, no, not in Chris Matthews.
STU: That is the most in depth elephant trampling analysis.
GLENN: It did. It worked.
PAT: It was good analysis.
GLENN: It did work.
STU: It did.
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STU: More elephant trampling talk. I think we need to implement that in the program.
GLENN: I just, I don't get it. And now here's do you have, from what is this, from Mediaite, Chris Matthews: We rely on Media Matters?
PAT: Yeah, he says it at the end of the Mephistopheles thing.
GLENN: Let me hear this thing.
STU: No wonder.
MATTHEWS: No wonder, I think this guy you are looking at Mephistopheles. Do you agree? Is this the Mephistopheles and figure of our time?
VOICE: Well, it's (inaudible) that he makes these statements from time to time. It's not every week. Again he treated mosque supporters as Nazis. Now he's talking about Obama's Kenyan world view and things like that. It is consistent, it's constant.
MATTHEWS: Got to go. Hey, keep posting the information we rely on at Media Matters.
PAT: We rely on Media Matters.
STU: Keith Olbermann's TelePrompTer is jealous.
GLENN: How do you rely on Media Matters if you think this is the movement you have waited your whole life to see?
PAT: If you are relying upon
GLENN: It doesn't make any sense.
PAT: If you are relying on them for that, that's why it took him so long to see it. He's been looking at Media Matters and then he finally saw the election.
GLENN: Media Matters still has not seen it.
GLENN: I don't understand. There's something, there is something wrong here.
STU: That is awesome.
GLENN: You know what this is? This is just a really clumsy coopt of the tea party. That's what they are trying to do. They are trying to bring the tea party into the, into the left, into, "We're just like you." And I got news for you. The right is going to try to do that, too. We're just like no, they're not. No, they're not. Nope, no, they're not. I love this, this argument that, you know, there's a lot of Democrats jumping ship now on whether or not they are going to vote for the Bush tax cuts to be hiked. Really? Really? Would those be the same ones that voted for the stimulus package 1, 2 and 3 and voted for TARP and then voted for universal healthcare? And then voted for the financial regulatory bill? They're all of a sudden wait a minute. Now that we're close to election which has nothing to do with it, I'm thinking that maybe this capitalist system is worth saving. Shut up! How dumb do you think we are?
STU: Yeah, I love this philosophy of, "The Bush tax cuts were horrible giveaways to the wealthy, but we're not going to stop them when it really matters. They are only horrible at every other time. But when it's important, we need them." Like, you are sitting here bashing these tax cuts for years and all of a sudden you need them when it's important?
GLENN: It's unbelievable.