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GLENN: We have Jason Chaffetz on, Congressman from Utah. Jason is one of the good guys in Congress and I say that I think I can count many of them on I think I might count all of them on one hand, but maybe it will take two, but he's one of the fingers, if I'm counting the good guys in Congress. Jason, welcome to the program.
CHAFFETZ: Hey, thanks, Glenn. I appreciate it.
GLENN: I want to know a couple of things. Has anybody looked into the union organizing and the union power behind the Colbert speech and how this whole thing came together?
CHAFFETZ: Oh, yeah. I mean, I think it's pretty clear that the farm workers union was behind it. They encouraged the chairman to come out and clearly that was their push. I don't think there's any secrets about it.
GLENN: How come nobody's covering that, Jason? I mean, everybody covered that, you know, he came out and he was doing an independent you know, he was just filming something that he really felt passionately about it. He took a challenge. The challenge is from the United Farm works. So, it's a labor union and the labor union orchestrates this whole thing and nobody seems to care about that. Why is that, Jason?
CHAFFETZ: I mean, every day we could go through how many things are disappointing that are happening on Capitol Hill and the lack of reporting that happens behind it. You know, they threw his face there and I love Stephen Colbert. I've been on the show. I've leg wrestled with the guy, but this event, I mean, it was awful.
GLENN: Okay. Hold on just a second, Jason. You leg wrestled him? Is this anything like the
CHAFFETZ: He won four times in a row. He's freakishly strong. I mean, the guy is a freakishly strong guy.
GLENN: Uh huh. Do you remember the interview that ended in confession of a ticklefest from another Congressman? I mean, are we headed down this
CHAFFETZ: I remember that. I'm just throwing out myself. I went on his show. Actually I had a good time. He's the best fake newscaster on television, but to have a fake hearing on Capitol Hill, that's too much. I'm on that subcommittee but I didn't go to it. It was a waste of money, a waste of time.
GLENN: How much did it cost us?
CHAFFETZ: It cost tens of thousands of dollars. I mean, some report I saw said over $100,000 for that kind of production, but, at the very minimum, tens of thousands of taxpayers money.
GLENN: Here's what I think is going to happen here, Jason, is the people in Congress, they really don't get it and I mean the Republicans and the Democrats. You know, I hear these political pundits from the right that are just talking about, oh, well, the Republicans, Republicans, Republicans. I talk to people. I talked to somebody just last night who is a big traditional donor for the Republicans. He said, I'm done. He said, for what? For what reason? He said, I you know, I go these phone calls and I just hang up on them. I'm not interested. I'm not interested in the Democrats and I'm not interested in the Republicans. He said, I don't see it, and what they don't understand is the political system has been broken so horribly by both parties that it is it's just everything is going to pass everyone by, I think. You know? This is what Obama is doing. He is he's building structure that nobody sees because he's just bypassing system because it's broken and he can and I think the American people are building a structure themselves but it is self reliant, it is one that doesn't involve Washington at all. Does that make sense to you, Jason, at all?
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Congressman Chaffetz from UtahCHAFFETZ: It totally makes sense. I mean, every week we go back there and believe me, I'm just a freshman there. I didn't create this mess but I am trying to help clean it up and it is so disheartening when we have such big issues like the tax cuts and Afghanistan and all of these issues. This week, Glenn, we have House Resolution 1546 that Representative Inslee is putting up. It is to recognize the Washington Stealth for winning the national lacrosse men's league championship and the Speaker Pelosi, who controls the capital, she's the one who makes all of these calls, is going to give 40 minutes of debate on the floor of the House, here with just two days ago to go in Congress before the election, we're going to spend 40 minutes this week debating whether or not the Washington Stealth should be recognized for winning the men's lacrosse league championships and every week it's like this, every week.
GLENN: Jason, what do you think is going to happen?
CHAFFETZ: Here's the scary thing that I see coming up next year, regardless of who wins. When that debt ceiling question comes up, I think that's going to be one of the most telling votes out there because I tell you what, there are a whole lot of us that aren't going to raise the debt ceiling and there's no way on the current trajectory that this country is going to be able to get away without raising the debit ceiling and you're probably going to have 50 plus new members of the House who also got elected with a mandate. That's when this country is going to have a moment to say, Okay, what are we going to do? Because it's going to probably take some sort of crisis like that to actually solve the out of control spending and issues that are coming before our country.
GLENN: Jason, you're the one who brought to my attention these this sounds like a comic book thing, he's x ray vans that have been that have been purchased, 400 of them, some of them we believe are in the field of the theater of war, if you will, but some are being used domestically and I want you to explain what these are and my fear is that they have, through Cass Sunstein and through all the things that you're seeing now where they're controlling everything, every aspect of your life they have control on now, is these people will just shut this country down. They'll just lock it uptight as a drum.
CHAFFETZ: Well, think of superman. Remember how funny it was when superman had x ray vision and he could look at people through their clothes and he could see in buildings and he could see into your car. That technology is here. It's right out here today. It's produced by a company called American's Finest in Engineering. They're publicly traded. You can go look at their website, their videos and you can see their press releases. There was one, for instance, that said in May of 2010 that they sold $13.9 million worth of these vans that can see into your home, they can see into your car, and they can look at you naked and tell exactly what you're doing. Now, they've sold it's now approaching 500 of these vans, but as a lawmaker on the oversight government reform committee, I've been trying to get the administration and trying to get the company to tell me who's buying these vans. What are you doing with these vans? And there are some legitimate uses.
GLENN: Sure.
CHAFFETZ: If you've got cargo coming out of a port, I buy that. I get that.
GLENN: But why wouldn't we say why wouldn't we let at least a congressman know? I mean, it's not like you're going to take it and splash it on the front page of the paper. If we're doing something for national security because we have threats of something at the ports, which, you know, hello, or if we're using them overseas in the field of battle, well, then you're not going to say anything about it. But if we're using these domestically for any other reasons, I mean, that's that's not good. That's not good. Why won't they release that? At the same time they're going for we want to be able to have warrantless wire taps on anything that you're doing on the Internet, we can track you with GPS. They're setting the case that the Tea Party and everything else, they're domestic terrorists. I mean, that's not a good trend here, Jason
CHAFFETZ: No, no. I want to be as safe and secure as possible, but I'm not willing to give up every bit of liberty that I have and fundamentally at my core just don't trust the Federal Government. They have been illusive and I'm being generous illusive in their answers to my questions. What's imperative here is that we hold their feet to the fire because they will not confirm that they're using them not just at the ports or just overseas. You watch their promotional video and they will talk about the fact that we're going to set up these vans and then you can just roll down the street and I am not kidding you, I tell you, they can peer through the walls of your home and that scares the living daylights out of me.
GLENN: We're going to show this video on tomorrow's program, I believe. Jason, would you do one thing for me? We're also talking tonight on the TV about this this assassination order that the President has executed with, I think, it's 25 Americans and they won't say who those Americans are. The we called the White House. The White House said you have to call the who is it? national security, I think, or Homeland Security. Homeland Security said you had to call the CIA. CIA said you have to call the White House. There's been a Freedom of Information Act filed. It is sorry we can't access that information with our computers at this time was their response from the CIA and now the ACLU and their conservative counterpart filed suit against the White House and the White House is stonewalling. I mean, can you look into that at all? Can you find out anything on that?
CHAFFETZ: I will give it my best try. I really will.
GLENN: Thank you very much. Jason
CHAFFETZ: Thanks, Glenn.
GLENN: You bet. Jason Chaffetz, a Congressman from Utah and a guy who first came to my attention because he is poor and so he, you know, went to, I think it was, a Wal Mart and bought a cot when he first was sworn in and he sleeps in his office on a cot because, you know, he's not going to get comfortable and set up shop in Washington and he doesn't have a lot of money. So, that's what he's going to do.
