GLENN: Stop the music for just a second, please. We have to start with
PAT: Oh, man
GLENN: some bad news. We lost him.
PAT: Lost him.
GLENN: We lost a very good, close well, not friend, more of a devise for the show.
PAT: Device is a good word.
GLENN: It is.
PAT: It is a good word and it's
GLENN: I'm sorry. I've lost it.
PAT: I know. You're sure /SPHEBG /KERD is and I know Stu is.
GLENN: I got the phone call on I don't know what night it was and I thought, no, no, no!
PAT: As we all did.
GLENN: We found out that Rick Sanchez from CNN is a bigot and I didn't see that one coming.
PAT: Huh uh. Me, neither.
GLENN: And a stupid bigot at that.
PAT: I saw that one coming.
GLENN: Yeah. Well, we saw the stupid part.
PAT: Yeah, yeah.
GLENN: And here he is, just a retrospective of
PAT: Should we start with what got him fired or should we start with the retrospective?
GLENN: Does it really matter?
PAT: No. They all lead you to the same place.
STU: Your question is what got him fired or what should have got him fired?
GLENN: Yeah. Let's start with what should have gotten him fired, all the laughs of the past.
SANCHEZ: I was just asking Chad, how can you get a volcano in Iceland? When you think of a volcano, you think of Hawaii and long words like that. You don't think of Iceland because it's too cold to have a volcano there, but
PAT: Oh. Remember that?
GLENN: I remember that.
STU: It's not coming.
GLENN: Long words like that, like Hawaii.
PAT: You can't have a volcano where it's a cold place. Darn, I miss him.
SANCHEZ: at 3:00 o'clock. Thanks so much, Walt. Good seeing you. Good job on the Situation Room today, as I'm sure you will do. Up next, ad lib, a tease.
PAT: Oh. Remember those days? Good times.
GLENN: Teleprompter and
PAT: Good times.
GLENN: Notwithstanding you don't say ad lib and tease. You ad lib and then tease what's coming up, but
GLENN: Network television will just never be the same. It really won't.
VOICE: Down here we have this drop. This is about a 9 meter drop.
SANCHEZ: 9 meter drop.
VOICE: 9 meter drop.
SANCHEZ: What does that mean?
VOICE: Well, that we're seeing some changes. It's been going down and
SANCHEZ: By the way, 9 meters in English is?
PAT: 9 meters is still 9 meters.
GLENN: 9, 9, not the German 9 but 9 as in
GLENN: after 8.
PAT: We lost him. We lost him.
STU: It's like every day you come in and there is another moment like this coming.
PAT: Like this.
SANCHEZ: I'm just sitting here just shaking my head. He is the cotton picking President of the United States.
PAT: Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh.
GLENN: And, Rick, we were at home shaking you're heads saying, he didn't really just say cotton picking President, did he?
PAT: Oh, boy. In the end, this is where it all ended for Rick Sanchez.
SANCHEZ: It's not just the right that does this, because I've known a lot of, you know, elite northeast establishment liberals that may not use this as a business model but deep down, when they look at a guy like me, they look at at they see a guy automatically who belongs in the second tier and not the
VOICE: Why do you say that? Give me an example.
GLENN: Because of your talent? I mean, I
PAT: We all saw that.
GLENN: I see that, too. I see second tier. Who's being so gracious?
VOICE: Because you're a Cuban American?
SANCHEZ: Because I had a guy who works here at CNN who's top brass come to me one day and say, do you know what I don't want you
VOICE: Can you wash this dish?
SANCHEZ: No, no. See, that's the things. It's more subtle and white folks usually don't see it, but we do. Okay? Those of us who are minorities. The women see it sometimes, too, from men in authority. Here. I'll give you my example. It's this. You know what? I don't want you anchoring anymore. I really don't see you as an anchor. I see you more as a reporter. I see you more of a John Quinones, you know, the guy on ABC. That's what he told me. He told me he saw me
PAT: He saw him as a reporter.
STU: He saw him as a network level reporter. What a terrible piece of racism.
PAT: Oh, man.
SANCHEZ: Did he not realize that he was telling me when I see you, I think of Hispanic reporters because in his mind
VOICE: I think of anchors and anchors is what you give the high profile white guys. You know? So
GLENN: Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Is he really trying to make the case that CNN is the home wasn't it the home of Berney Shaw?
GLENN: I don't think
PAT: Was he the first black anchor? I think he may have been.
GLENN: I think he may have been.
PAT: I think so.
GLENN: So, I mean, who looks at see, I don't look at Rick Sanchez as Hispanic. I just look at him as
PAT: I thought he was a white guy myself.
PAT: I didn't even think of it.
GLENN: I just think of him as stupid.
PAT: Yes. A stupid white guy. That's what I thought it was.
GLENN: I don't remember even attaching race to his stupidity. I just think he's dumb.
STU: Like, CNN gave you the job. They despite all ratings evidence, put you in the 8:00 o'clock time slot to give you a shot to fill that and they I mean, they've given this guy break after break after break, even after all these horrible moments.
GLENN: But it's not just it's not just the fact that he was seen as a Hispanic. Apparently there are a lot of Jews in the media.
PAT: Yeah. He's about to explain that.
GLENN: He's about to go on to the Jews.
SANCHEZ: And compares me to that and it happens all the time. I think to a certain extent Jon Stewart and Colbert are the same way. I think Jon Stewart is a bigot
VOICE: Hold on of the now we're getting into it. Jon Stewart is a friend how is he a bigot?
SANCHEZ: I think he looks through his mom who is a school teacher and his dad who was a
STU: Or something.
PAT: Okay of the so, when you're looking at the world through the teacher and physicist eyes, we all know why we all know we know.
GLENN: We know what?
STU: That Cubans shouldn't be anchors.
SANCHEZ: Middle class New Jersey home with everything you could ever
VOICE: Bigoted towards?
SANCHEZ: Everybody who is not like him. Who does he surround himself with?
GLENN: Smart, funny people.
VOICE: He takes on Jews all the time. He's a Jew. He focuses on them. I think he overcompensates to some extent. I always notice that. Goes after himself and people like him and everybody else. I totally I disagree with you and defy you to give me an example.
SANCHEZ: Let me give you let me give you an example of what I mean by that, by the way.
SANCHEZ: That's what happens when you watch yourself on his show every day and all they ever do is call you stupid.
PAT: Oh, no.
SANCHEZ: And say
GLENN: Because you are. Hang on, hang on, hang. I don't think that that's necessarily a bigoted statement. I don't even think that's r that's a comedic statement. I think that's just true.
STU: You bigot, you bigot.
GLENN: Rick, you're not the brightest bulb in the pack. I don't know if you noticed that.
STU: There's been issues with that, yes.
GLENN: This whole interview that you're doing is proving that.
PAT: It really is.
GLENN: That really not the brightest light in the
VOICE: he's being elitist saying that others are stupid but what group specifically call someone a bigot against who?
SANCHEZ: Anybody who's different than you are, anybody who's not from your frame of reference, anybody who doesn't look and sound exactly like the people that you sound and grew up.
PAT: I'm sorry. Rick Sanchez looks and sounds just like the people I grew up with.
STU: Just exactly like them.
PAT: I don't I don't know.
GLENN: Whether I mean, I didn't I don't notice any difference between Rick Sanchez and the, what, average American? What is he implying?
STU: I don't know. Doesn't he get to what he implies here?
PAT: We've got the
GLENN: Do we have the
PAT: I think we have the
VOICE: You know, he's done pretty well and the fact
SANCHEZ: It wasn't given to me.
VOICE: It certainly wasn't and nobody is implying that.
GLENN: Black male? Was it black male?
VOICE: Let me just say something quickly as an aside. I thought they was going to be 15 minutes and I haven't heard anything from my producer, but we don't do commercials here, which is awesome, but it's been a great conversation. It's really been really cool getting to know you.
SANCHEZ: I'm transparent and I'm really
VOICE: Context, it will be interesting to see if Stewart ever responds to this, but
SANCHEZ: I hope he does.
VOICE: Have you ever laid into him like this anywhere?
SANCHEZ: Just on the air lately.
SANCHEZ: I don't respect the guy.
PAT: He doesn't respect him.
VOICE: My point is I don't relate to blacks, Hispanics, Jews, gays, anything. I am a white American and I have never dealt with any of that. I mean, kind of relate a little bit growing up, but
SANCHEZ: This is kind of like my point, though, Pete. There are too many
VOICE: But that doesn't mean I can't make fun of it. I'm a comedian. I think I come out on the wrong on the right side of the jokes.
SANCHEZ: Uh huh.
VOICE: But if you know, if I can't make jokes, if I can't take shots at people for the sake of comedy and I'm not you know, I'm wrong when I say I was wrong earlier when I said he's just a comedian. He was a newsman. I was wrong about that, but, I mean, in essence, that's what we do.
VOICE: And I'm defending Stewart more from a comedian's point of view.
SANCHEZ: I get that. I get that. He doesn't even write. I mean, I he has a staff who doesn't like me.
VOICE: No. Listen. I know his staff. He's got a really a pretty diverse staff, but I don't know if there's any Hispanics writers, to be fair and honest, but anyway just as a comedian, I want to tell you something.
PAT: We can look into that.
VOICE: It might not. It might not give a rat's ass, but we don't think very much about people's feelings. We think about being funny. I can't tell you how many nights I've been driving away from a gig going, Do you know what? That probably wasn't right. Mine are even worse because I'll take a specific thing in the room, some woman won't shut up and I'm not talking about her race. I'm talking about, You are the most annoying woman I've ever met in any life and I really lay into her for a joke. We lower others to raise ourselves. That's how we make a living. I'm not thinking I'm certainly not thinking about Rick Sanchez who's got four hours on CNN every day's feelings, if I'm Jon Stewart. I'm not speaking for Jon.
SANCHEZ: Or his kids or anybody else.
SANCHEZ: You should.
SANCHEZ: I do, in my job.
SANCHEZ: If somebody said this about me?
GLENN: You've got to be kidding me.
SANCHEZ: I don't see that when I watch Colbert or Jon Stewart.
GLENN: Okay. Stop. I can't even play it anymore. It's just
STU: First of all, we have to hear the Jews part of it. The Jews part is important, but second of all
GLENN: Does it really matter? I mean, we get it. The guy is dumb as a box of rocks. I don't wash him harm. I don't wish him ill. I'm sure he'll find a well, I'm sure he'll be okay eventually in the end.
STU: I'm sure he will.
GLENN: And, you know
STU: He's got that huge book out. That's going to pay the bills.
GLENN: Stop the dog piling.
STU: I'm not dog piling. I'm just saying
GLENN: No. Come on.
STU: Hundreds of hundreds of books, Pat. 800 books. If you had a thousand people, almost all those people bought the book when it came out.
GLENN: But nobody even knows who this guy is except the media. Now, here's the only real point on this story is
PAT: We lost him. That's the point.
GLENN: And the good volcano stuff is gone.
PAT: It's gone.
GLENN: This is why Ken Joust should not have been hired as the head of CNN, because he's going to get rid of all of our good comedy material and try to I don't know somehow or the other shape them into a credible news organization. Ken, give up. It's not possible. Give up now. Quit your job. Stop. Stop firing people. Don't you don't do you know what? You should make sure that Larry King stays or better yet, no, the new guy, that British guy, make sure he comes on much these a genius move. Whatever you do, just keep keep the old path going, Ken.
PAT: And bring back Rick Sanchez.
GLENN: I'm starting a campaign, bring back Rick.
PAT: Bring back Rick!
GLENN: Here's the thing that I find interesting in this and then we have to take a break. The thing I find interesting in this is do you notice how the media, they led with this for, what, two days over the weekend? That Rick Sanchez was fired because he called Jon Stewart a bigot. That is the lead?
STU: How does that get you fired?
GLENN: How does that get you fired?
PAT: Rather than all his stuff he goes on to say about how the Jews are in control.
GLENN: The Jews are running the media.
STU: That should get you fired, but it should not get you fired to call a comedian a bigot. That is a fireable offense and, yet, the media led with that angle on this story the entire week.
GLENN: And I believe it is because they didn't want somebody, you know, who they perceive on their side looking bigoted against the Jews and and what? To protect Jon Stewart or to help Jon Stewart in some way? I mean, Jon Stewart can handle himself.
GLENN: And nobody I don't think anybody thinks that Jon Stewart's a bigot. Do you? I never thought that Jon Stewart was a bigot.
GLENN: I mean, why wouldn't you lead with that story? Why is the Jon Stewart angle? That is the least of the offensive stuff. That's like leading with he thought you couldn't have volcanoes in Iceland because it was too cold.
STU: That's a pretty good
GLENN: Okay. I just don't know why that hasn't been the focus of the media coverage.