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PAT: Here's how desperate. They see the polls just like we do. They know what's going on just like we do. They pretend that everything's fine because they have to, but this is how desperate they are. Listen to the latest DNC ad.
VOICE: Karl Rove, Ed Gillespie, they're Bush cronies. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce, they're shills for big business, and they're stealing our democracy, spending millions from secret donors to elect Republicans to do their bidding in congress. It appears they have even taken secret foreign money to influence our elections. It's incredible. Republicans benefitting from secret foreign money.
STU: Oh, no!
VOICE: Tell the Bush crowd and the Chamber of Commerce stop stealing our democracy.
PAT: Stop it.
VOICE: The Democratic National Committee is responsible for the content of this advertising.
PAT: Tell the GOP and their cronies that their evil demons from the bowels of south hell, tell them you're onto them. Tell them. It's incredible. Yeah, yeah, it is incredible. That's an amazing, amazingly despicable ad.
Look, if you know that the Chamber of Commerce is funneling money from foreign entities into U.S. elections, that's illegal and they should be prosecuted. Why don't you bring charges against them.
STU: Well, why would you possibly investigate that when you can just say it?
PAT: Well, on the other hand, yeah, I see where I see your point, Stu.
STU: Yeah, because I mean, that's they have the best of both worlds here.
STU: They know that they don't actually have a crime.
STU: So they can say it appears as if money
PAT: It appears as if.
STU: is I mean, what kind of word is that? I mean, you are using the word "appears"? Well, who cares what it appears as.
STU: How about what it is.
PAT: Tell us what it is.
STU: Yeah. Because you don't know what it is. You know that there's nothing illegal going on with the Chamber of Commerce and so instead they have to just sit here and throw insinuations out. And it's just this bizarre thing that they do with these sort of really well respected organizations. You know, we've talked about Anthony Weiner who does the same thing with Goldline and accuses the Better Business Bureau of being bought off and that's why they
PAT: For 50 bucks, wasn't it, or 200 bucks? What was it?
STU: I think it was a couple of hundred dollars.
PAT: I think it was unbelievable.
STU: When any so the idea between his his accusation was that you could Goldline or any gold company could buy an A plus rating for a couple of hundred dollars. Why wouldn't they all do that if that were true?
PAT: If you are an F rated company and you are a gold you make all kinds of money selling gold, wouldn't it be worth the $200 investment to buy a triple A rating or an A plus rating?
STU: Apparently not.
PAT: I guess not.
STU: They all can't figure out that that's good business. And then, you know, we all know how the Obama administration seems to, you know, respect the CBO when they disagree with him. So it seems like he has this, like, weird thing with these sort of long term sort of respected organizations and then he feels like he needs to come out and attack them. The Chamber of Commerce is, you know, they want businesses to grow so they can hire people.
PAT: Who attacks Chamber of Commerce? They have, was I can't remember all of the stats on the Chamber of Commerce but it was something like do you remember the exact percentage of how many, how many of their clients are small businesses? Wasn't it 90%?
STU: I don't know. I wouldn't be surprised, though.
PAT: Wasn't it almost all of them are yes, yes, they represent certain or they have members who are large corporations as well. But the vast majority of the members of the Chamber of Commerce are small businesses with, you know, 50 employees or whatever. This is not an evil organization. Do they lobby for their businesses? Do they try to support capitalism? Of course. That's the American system, by the way. It's it doesn't used it wasn't it wasn't that long ago where the free market was considered a good thing in this country.
PAT: I know that's hard to believe now, Stu, but there was a time, boys and girls, once upon a time the free market was considered a good thing.
STU: That's crazy. That sounds crazy to me.
PAT: I know. I know.
STU: It's not as if the free market provides jobs and innovation.
STU: And has fueled us to come out of essentially having wagons that we drag around.
PAT: The stone age.
STU: Yeah, the stone age.
STU: To today when people live twice as long and we've increased the population of the planet, you know, up to, you know, how many billions of people now. And in fact you've, you know, dragged hundreds of millions and billions of people from poverty into civilization because of the free market. But let's vilify it not because it's evil but because it appears that it's evil. Because it doesn't matter if it's actually true. The Chamber of Commerce appears that they're doing something, so we can just say it as an accusation and then, oh, well, you know, if that doesn't turn out being true, the election's over, who cares.
PAT: That's exactly right. And for some reason they're allowed to I mean, they can get away with it. I guess because of the support of the rest of the media. And that's why they're so angry with Fox News and with talk radio. Because we're the only ones who call BS on this tactic.
PAT: We're the only ones who even point it out.
STU: And that's another one. I mean, they've come out and, you know, attacked face to face. I mean, they have come out and specifically attacked Fox News for not being a real news organization when these guys have enemies or people that they perceive as enemies, which they shouldn't with the Chamber of Commerce. It's just it's just a bunch of companies that want to hire people to do work. That's what the Chamber of Commerce is. They're people that are employing you. They represent the companies that are employing everybody almost in America. And yet those people are apparently evil or at least appear to be evil and that's enough to go after them. It's the same thing they did with Fox, it's the same thing they did, you know, Weiner was doing with the Better Business Bureau. You're talking about staples of our country. These are not some like these are not hard core rightwing ideology
STU: There's no ideology there.
PAT: Not shadowy organizations.
PAT: These are not and you're right. These are not rightwing. Look at the Chamber of Commerce. They supported him on, what was it? Was it healthcare even?
STU: I don't think
PAT: It was something like that. It may not have been healthcare but it was a pretty big issue and we were like, wow, they really? You're supporting Obama on that? But the minute, the minute they opposed him on anything, and it may have been healthcare they opposed him on, boy, he turned on them and he turned on them hard. And that's what happens to people. If you are not in lock step with this administration, look out. They're coming after you tooth and nail. When in American history have you ever seen a party or an administration or a president go after the Chamber of Commerce? When? I mean, not even Clinton went after the Chamber of Commerce and now we're supposed to believe that they're sort of, what, the John Birch Society and the Chinese are funneling money through them?
STU: Well, they're essentially agents of a communist government. They're essentially agents they're essentially Kim Jung Il here in America. I mean, they make them sound
PAT: Actually if they were agents of a communist nation, I don't think they would be attacked right now.
STU: That's very true.
PAT: I think they would be fine with them. The Chamber of Commerce is doing good work. They're fighting for America and the America way.
STU: It is bizarre point we've come to. And this is you know, if you're we all have complained about Republicans on this show almost as much, if not more than Democrats because it's more annoying coming from the Republicans. When they fail you, it's more irritating.
PAT: Yeah. You expect more.
STU: But when you're in the middle of this and you are seeing just looking at this politically and you see how well Republicans are doing right now, you can see that this is their they have to go deep in the well.
PAT: Yeah, yeah.
STU: They have to try to make enemies out of things that we should be proud of and promoting, and it starts with business.
PAT: Very true.
STU: One of the most fundamental issues we have with our economy going forward is this idea that, you know, business is evil, that corporations are evil, that employers are evil. And that is ingrained so many people, including all the crazy conspiracy theorists that are always called rightwing that come out and are constantly, every time any corporation has anything going on, they're constantly complaining about it. Corporations are more of a target in this country for no good reason than almost any other group. And it's you know, when you come down with this stuff, it's just this, you know, sort of generic man, you know, boogeyman in the closet.
STU: It's this thing you can blame everything on, like, for example, Aspartame that, you know, is something that's going to constantly going on until the end of time unless we step in and say and realize as people and American citizens that the free market is what got us here, that companies are good and if we all kind of work together towards the goal of, you know, our own best interests, we're going to move this country to a place that we haven't seen in the past. That's how we've advanced this far and that's how we can bring it further.
PAT: Yeah. And corporations, you mentioned it, are under more attack than anybody including Marxists.
PAT: We have solid proof that there are Marxists afoot. I mean, in and around and influential, and I'm not necessarily saying that any administration official right now is a card carrying Marxist, but they have those tendencies. They have that anticapitalist feel to them and that ideology, and you can feel it and you can sense it in everything they do. But they don't care about that, no. The real demon here is our big corporations, or small corporations.
PAT: Or anybody who is free market oriented.
PAT: It is really stunning. Never thought I'd see the day.
STU: And the media is so far down this road, too. Like they I'm one of these guys, like I see this stuff, obviously liberalism is affected by Marxism and there's a you know, and there's that's what drives it. It's expansion of government for what they see is a good thing. And, you know, obviously our side is we should make it smaller and we think that's a good thing. But beyond that, like when you talk about that being as kind of like you know, you're talking about a philosophy, a political philosophy. But, like, when you have a story like we talked about with this rally on 10/2/10 where on the website, the official website of the rally are, what, a dozen organizations with the words "Socialist" in them.
PAT: Yes. Or communist.
STU: Or communist, not to mention the ones that don't have it in there like the Peace and Freedom Party who have run
PAT: Oh, yeah.
STU: a convicted FBI murderer for president just a few years ago. When you have that sort of group of organizations and then you have the president of the United States' own group advocating to go to this rally and be part of it with these organizations.
STU: And then it's not even covered. You know, it's one thing to try to delve into someone's philosophy and try to understand their mind, and there's obviously going to be disagreement on stuff like that, but the word "Socialist" is in your organization. It cannot be any more clear and yet the president is advocating for these groups openly.
STU: And it's just
STU: not even mentioned in the media. It really is astounding.
PAT: Except by us, and then we're vilified for bringing it up.
PAT: I'm sorry. We couldn't help but notice it was on the website! On the website!