STU: The latest example of this is Rachel Maddow who took the high-minded view after Keith Olbermann was suspended, an indefinite suspension that lasted 120 minutes of programming time, which is --
PAT: A full 120 minutes.
STU: A full 120.
PAT: It was Friday's show and Monday's.
STU: I mean, what did this guy, kill a kindergarten class?
PAT: Before he's finally back tonight. I mean, what do you do to endure a two-day suspension? Oh, the hardship.
STU: And we didn't talk that much about the Olbermann thing because he was suspended for giving campaign donations.
PAT: You know what it was? It was a publicity stunt. They didn't care. They don't give a crap. MSNBC, NBC, they don't care.
STU: Why would they care?
PAT: Why would they?
STU: The guy is out there advocating every day for these views. He's not a journalist.
PAT: Every day they are a shill for the Obama administration and all of a sudden you're bothered that he gave $2400 to three different candidates? Since when?
STU: I give him credit for putting his money where his mouth is.
PAT: I mean, he already admitted, "I don't vote." So at least you did something responsible. You gave to somebody you wanted to win.
STU: Yeah, and he's completely hypocritical as well after saying he doesn't vote to remain unpartisan.
PAT: Pathetic, but that's beside the point.
STU: But that being said, Rachel Maddow came to his defense, the show aired after his, and described how Fox is much, much worse in this regard. Here is their evidence.
MADDOW: Sometimes Fox News hosts save the trouble budget and they just hold these fundraisers for Republican candidates right on the air.
KASICH: People can come on our website at KasichforOhio.com, Sunday night at 6:30 we're going to talk about the damage the Obama agenda has done to us and if you have any extra nickels or dimes, please send it our way. KasichforOhio.com.
MADDOW: Those nickels and dimes. Those on Fox raise money on the air for Republican candidates.
STU: So there's your --
PAT: What? So the guy, he pimped his website.
PAT: Kasich did.
PAT: And that's a Fox fundraiser now.
STU: That's Fox raising money for a Republican candidates. Now, if you listen to the clip, you can hear Sean Hannity jumping in as most hosts will do and kind of being like, all right, all right. Like, you know, it's not -- every candidate kind of does that. They hit their website, you understand it.
STU: But, you know, Hannity was trying to cut him off basically at the end of that. But that is -- that constitutes a fundraiser for Republican candidates.
Now, this is MSNBC. I mean, this is almost too predictable to do. But this is MSNBC now. There's a blogger who's put together clip after clip after clip. This is my favorite section because as, you know, my favorite section usually is Alan Grayson related who, by the way, lost by 18 points, Pat.
PAT: Just by a teeny, teeny, teeny tiny bit.
STU: Teeny tiny bit.
PAT: 18 points.
STU: 18 points. So this fundraising apparently didn't help, maybe because they have no audience at MSNBC. But just listen to the clips of Alan Grayson on the air doing the exact same thing Rachel Maddow just criticized.
GRAYSON: We've established a website, congressmenwithguts.com, a money bomb for November 2nd. We just put upward of $100,000 in pledges.
MADDOW: They run as a political operation. We're not. So beltway common wisdom therefore rose up and declared that Congressman Grayson's "Die quickly" comments would cost him his seat, that Republicans had a bull's-eye on him anyway and this controversy would make Alan Grayson that much softer a target in the next election. Don't believe everything you read.
GRAYSON: The national Republican Party spent over $2 million to keep me out of office last time and now according to the NRCC's executive director, I'm their number one target and you know why. So I can only imagine how much --
PAT: Because you're insane.
GRAYSON: -- 30 pieces of silver they are going to throw at this time for the race. Over 10,000 people have come to Graysonforcongress.com and made contributions in the last three weeks. We're doing a money bomb on November 2nd, congressmenwithguts.com, and people are already piling in.
MADDOW: Those nickels and dimes.
GRAYSON: We've had 5,000 people come to Graysonforcongress.com and make a contribution. Just today we've had over 6,000 people come to our money bomb website, congressmenwithguts.com. They have contributed over $200,000 to our campaign. But we've had almost 50,000 people come from all around the country including in Central Florida to our website congressmenwithguts.com and make a contribution. That's why we're 13 points up on the polls. That's why 50,000 people have come to the website congressmenwithguts.com and made a contribution to our campaign. They are really out to get me. But luckily for us we've got people coming to our website, congressmenwithguts.com. Over 80,000 contributions so far. 80,000 people have contributed to our campaign.
MADDOW: Those nickels and dimes.
PAT: Congressmenwithoutguts or with guts?
STU: I think it's with guts.
STU: A couple of things to notice. All those clips on various MSNBC shows.
STU: Some of them I believe --
PAT: Including Maddow.
STU: Yeah, including Maddow. You can hear Maddow at one point. My favorite clip of Maddow is just the condescension where she debunks the crazy rumor that in the future Alan Grayson might lose his election. "Oh, don't believe everything that you read." I believed it! I read it and now he lost by 18 points, despite all the people who have poured into congressmenwithguts.com.
PAT: This is going to surprise a lot of people, but MSNBC really sucks.
PAT: Maybe that's why no one watches.
STU: You think?
PAT: You know, I mean, I'm going out on a limb there. Maybe it's why nobody pays attention. I mean, they're hypocrites and they suck.
PAT: So --
STU: Look, you're going to have people -- when you have congressmen on the air, they're going to pimp their websites. That's why they're there.
PAT: And you don't necessarily want them to, but that's what they do.
STU: That's what they do. And I'm not -- it's one thing to complain about that, which I don't think is really legitimate. I mean, if a congressmen's on your show, he's going to talk for six minutes about issues that you care about and he's going to pump his website for twelve seconds, whatever.
PAT: Yes. They are there for a reason.
STU: Yes. When you take this high-minded condescending view that the other network is raising money for Republican candidates when their Republican candidate on their own mentions their website while being cut off by the host, you can't at the same time have 10 minutes of footage which is -- I mean, we only, you know, ran a small portion of it. 10 minutes of footage where Democrats over and over and over again are pumping their own website. I mean, it's so pathetic. It's like she's never watched her own network.
STU: And you know what? No one else has, either!
STU: That's the problem.
PAT: That network is imploding. I mean, you've got the Olbermann ethics thing, which is ridiculous.
PAT: It showed they don't, they couldn't care less. Two days, come on. You have the Lawrence O'Donnell "I'm a socialist" admission.
PAT: You have all of this stuff. You have the violence being advocated by Dylan Ratigan calling for a revolution in this country.
STU: Well, he didn't --
PAT: Violence if necessary.
STU: Well, no. Ted Rall said it was violence if necessary. He said --
PAT: He said we're obviously at that point.
STU: It's just which way we're going to do it.
STU: He could compare --
PAT: He said it might be a peaceful revolution or a Velvet Revolution.
PAT: Like George Soros says.
STU: Now in a million years they would never give us that benefit of the doubt.
PAT: Not in a million years.
STU: But I will give him the benefit of the doubt. It looked like he was saying, look, we need a revolution.
STU: Obviously need a revolution but which way it's going to go, my next guest says it could even be violent.
PAT: And here's the other thing. If Glenn had anybody on the right saying that on his show.
PAT: Oh, they would be --
GLENN: I just left a meeting. I just left a meeting. I didn't have time to cover this tonight because we're working on the Soros thing and I just left a meeting and I just said, "If I did that, what would happen." Vice president of Fox said, Glenn, you wouldn't make it to the commercial break.
PAT: I believe that. I believe that.
GLENN: Said you would be fired before the commercial break.
PAT: Even if it was somebody you were interviewing who wrote the book about it, right?
GLENN: Oh, yeah. It would be the end of my career. Even if I said, "No, violent revolution, that's not a good idea," which he didn't.
PAT: No, he did not.
GLENN: He didn't say.
STU: At least on that clip. I haven't listened to the entire interview.
PAT: We can listen to the whole thing. It's long.
GLENN: Oh, you've got to listen to the whole thing. It's pretty amazing.