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GLENN: Here's Oprah Winfrey from the Barbara Walters, I don't know, most fascinating people or whatever her special is.
WALTERS: A lot of women have close friends. Very few have friends as close as yours. Describe that friendship to me.
WINFREY: Whew. Okay. She is
GLENN: Okay. Stop for a second. She's crying here.
WINFREY: the mother I never had.
GLENN: She's crying here and somebody said to me yesterday, it was like, Oprah was crying about, and I have but look, I'm almost all chick. I'm half Oprah. I could talk about my friends and cry.
PAT: Three quarters Oprah.
GLENN: Okay, thank you. I could talk about my friends and cry. I mean, I have. I got one of my a guy who I think is one of the best people I know I mean besides you, Pat. One of the best men I know sitting out in the hallway and I have cried about him, describing him, I think to you even.
PAT: Mmm hmmm.
GLENN: I mean, so you could do that.
PAT: Mmm hmmm.
GLENN: It's not weird that she's crying. And listen to the way she describes Gayle King.
PAT: Yeah, first of all she says and I think we just missed it. Maybe I'll go back.
GLENN: No, I got it. My mother
PAT: The mother I never had.
GLENN: I never had.
WINFREY: She is the sister everybody would want. She is the friend that everybody deserves.
GLENN: That is a great compliment.
PAT: That's nice. That's really nice.
WINFREY: I don't know a better person.
GLENN: That is an amazing compliment.
WINFREY: I don't know a better person.
WALTERS: Why is it making you cry?
WINFREY: Shoot. I wasn't going to cry here.
GLENN: How did you know?
WINFREY: It's making me cry because I'm thinking about how much I probably have never told her that. Tissue, please. I now need tissue. I've never told her that.
WALTERS: So when those, to me, dumb rumors come up that you
WINFREY: Are gay?
WALTERS: Are gay. What do you say?
WINFREY: Well, I have said we are not gay enough times, I'm not lesbian, I'm not even kind of lesbian, and the reason why it irritates me is because it means that somebody must think I'm lying. That's number one. Number two, why would you want to hide it? That is not the way I run my life.
GLENN: All right. Stop for a second. I don't think she's a lesbian. I mean, we know Gayle King. We don't know Oprah, but we know Gayle King and
PAT: We've met Oprah several times.
GLENN: Yeah, but Gayle King Oprah won't and Gayle King doesn't want to be ratted out like this, either.
GLENN: Gayle King and I were friends at some point. It's not like we're, you know, hanging out. It's not like I was, you know, making sure she wasn't a lesbian. You know what I'm saying? But she's a really nice lady. Really nice lady. She, I don't think, still feels the same way about me now that she did.
PAT: I don't think so, yeah.
GLENN: But she's very nice. She's very nice. And you know, Oprah is the kind of person that would come out and say, I'm a lesbian.
PAT: She seems like it. I don't I mean, we don't obviously know, have a personal relationship.
GLENN: Here's where Oprah is, and this is what I guess confuses people, I guess, is that she has a good friend. Well, am I gay? Because I have really close male friends.
PAT: Yeah. I mean
GLENN: Does that make me gay? That's ridiculous, ridiculous. Where people get, I guess confused or the question that should be answered is are you anti marriage. Because I remember the episode, I don't remember if anybody remembers this, but I remember the episode where she had Brad Pitt and, who was he married to before Angelina Jolie?
PAT: Jennifer Anniston.
GLENN: Jennifer Anniston and I'm pretty sure it was that episode where they said, you know, marriage isn't forever. It's just forever how long we love each other. And she said, oh, that is so good, that is so enlightened. No, that's not what marriage is. That's going steady. And, you know, I don't think Oprah appreciates marriage. I don't know if she's I shouldn't say that she's anti marriage but she doesn't, she doesn't hold it, I think, in the highest regard for herself.
PAT: Well, apparently not. She's been with this Stedman guy for how long and I guess they are living together now and nobody seems to know that. But they are living together now and they're not married and apparently there's no plans for that to ever happen. So
GLENN: Right. So I don't know what her deal is with marriage.
PAT: I don't, either.
GLENN: But that's the thing that you should be asking: What's your deal with marriage.
PAT: And that's why that's another reason that, you know, people start the rumors that maybe he's gay, maybe she's gay, maybe they're all. It's just weird
GLENN: This is really com and I'm a conspiracy theorist. That's really complex, isn't it? For what? She cares at this point? Maybe, you could say that maybe 15 years ago when she was still up and coming and Ellen and everybody hadn't come out of the closet and said, yeah, hello. I mean, there's no stigma to it.
PAT: What a shock that was with Ellen, too. I was
GLENN: I was floored.
PAT: I was blown away! What!
GLENN: I was floored. Do not
GLENN: Do not tell me about Liberace. Don't do it. Don't tell me about Liberace.
PAT: I don't even know anything about Liberace. What would I tell you about Liberace?
GLENN: Good. I'm glad.
PAT: I mean
GLENN: I mean, it's ridiculous.
PAT: That guy was a chick magnet.
GLENN: I don't
PAT: I'm pretty sure.
GLENN: I'm not going to tell you anything about Liberace, but all right. So you know, I guess the story is on Oprah is she's reinventing herself and she's leaving her show and she's starting her own network, and she's taking a big risk, you know, for somebody who's made 80, $80 million a year for the last 15 years. She's really
PAT: Putting it all out there.
GLENN: She's putting it all out on the line. You know, she
PAT: Because look, if you have to get by on that the rest of your life, what
GLENN: I don't know how she does it.
PAT: I don't know.
GLENN: I don't know how she well, she will probably maybe, you know, she may have to take the bus to work. She may have to take the bus to work.
PAT: I hate to see that happen. Possible.
GLENN: Good news. You're not going to have to hate that because it's not going to happen.
PAT: Good. Whew. That was a close up with.