GLENN: All right. 11-year-old girl died Sunday from treatable form of diabetes. Her parents prayed for her healing rather than seeing medical treatment. The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann believe she died because they didn't have enough faith. Members of the Neumann family operate the Monkey Mo coffee shop. You wouldn't think that anybody who owned the Monkey Mo coffee shop would be, like, praying their daughter to health without any medical treatment, do you?
STU: Why? Why not?
GLENN: I don't know. Monkey Mo coffee shop kinds like fun.
STU: Kind of sounds organic, like maybe the coffee bean might cure the diabetes.
GLENN: No, they would be pissed. They wouldn't put -- Monkey Mo, it's kind of like Monkey Mo, let's go to the Monkey Mo coffee shop. If you are a, you know, environmental hippie, you are like, "It's the monkey coffee shop and we shouldn't even call it monkeys. Monkeys, who are we to say monkeys? Monkeys are far better than us."
STU: Well, we invented the language.
GLENN: Getting the coffee shops, getting the coffee beans out of the rainforest, leaving our footprints in the rainforest? The monkeys weep right now.
So what they did is they put a sign on the business window that said, closed due to a family emergency but the family decided that instead of getting treatment for her diabetes that could be treated, they just prayed over here. Now, here's where I stand on this one. In fact, Stu, I would like you to refresh my memory. Do you remember the last time one of these things happened? Not with a cancer kid. Because I was for the cancer kid. Where was that, Houston or some place like that? Where the kid had cancer?
GLENN: And he wanted alternative treatment? And I stood up and said he was 16 years old and if the parent said the 16-year-old -- wasn't that --
STU: Yeah, I don't remember exact age but it was -- yeah.
GLENN: He was like 16. He had already had chemotherapy and he was like, please don't do it again, please don't do it again, I can't take it, let's find some other alternative medicine. And, you know, hippie dad was like, yeah, right, dude, try this. And he went and they sought alternative medicine and it didn't work and the kid died and they were going to try to take the kid away and force him to have chemotherapy and I believe I was on the side of the parent.
STU: I think you were as well.
GLENN: Okay. Think back to the last time a kid died, though, before that where somebody was praying. I believe it was like two or three years ago and I was against the parents and said I'm torn but I'm going to give it to the state.
STU: I think your long-term --
GLENN: Curve? Stu -- curve on this has been that you -- has to be something rational and obvious. If there isn't any borderline about it, you've been with a parent in saying, look, they can parent their kid however they want. But if it's, you know, my kid has a knife stabbed in them, I'm not taking them to the hospital. If I pray, they will float away.
GLENN: Diabetes is one of those, totally curable, I mean saveable.
GLENN: Treatable. Diabetes is one of those. If a kid has diabetes, you can treat that. Kid doesn't die.
GLENN: Okay? So that would be over the -- you know, that's over the rainbow some place where you are like, hey, look, Toto's here and everything -- you're crazy if you don't treat your kid for diabetes. Would you agree?
STU: I certainly would treat my kid for diabetes.
GLENN: So would I. They are trying this -- they are charging this couple with murder. They want to charge them with murder. You are out of your mind. First of all, maybe with neglect, maybe with manslaughter, maybe. You can't do murder. Their intention was not to kill the child. Their intention was to heal the child. But beyond that I'm not willing -- if I'm on the jury, I'm the last guy -- oh, I can't wait. I have jury duty in Connecticut in June.
STU: Do you really?
STU: How does this keep happening to you?
GLENN: I don't know, but I can only hope they select me. But if I'm on the jury, nope, I'm not going after the parents. Nope. And here's why. I'm not giving this state any more power, none. No more. There is a trust deficit here. Not doing it. I don't trust these people at all.
STU: You know, look. There's a lot of reason to not trust the government. They don't do a very good job. There's a 13% approval rating of congress right now. In fact, there's -- even the Democrats are only at 17% approval of their own congress. So I mean, I understand there's a lot of reason, but isn't there a line where you wind up in a shack at the top of some mountain in a remote place with signs that say "Get off my land." I mean, I think there is some place for the government to exist.
GLENN: May I just answer it with this?
GLENN: Get off my land! (Gunfire).
STU: Yes, this is you.
GLENN: What kind of scares me is, yes, there is a place with a guy like me with a rifle, you know, with your property backed up to some national park so you could just disappear in the woods and never be found. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. I've noodled it a lot.
STU: Are you -- let me ask you this. I know you've thought about it a lot. Are you comfortable with where you've turned out? This is why I'm asking you.
GLENN: Turn it up. I'm pretty happy with that so far, yep. Talk me out of it.
STU: Well, I think there is some line. Seriously let's take the ridiculous example I just brought out there a minute ago.
GLENN: Which one?
STU: Your kid -- a beam comes down from the ceiling and goes through your child's stomach, okay? It's now sticking through the stomach. Kid's alive. You could pull it out and the surgeon would be okay. And you say, you know what, I'm going to massage these magic beans until the beam leaves the stomach and the kid is magically healed.
GLENN: If I may say, if I may warn America, what Stu really means here is --
STU: Why are you stating it? I just said it.
GLENN: Glenn wants a "You're on your own" society.
GLENN: "Glenn wants to actually continue this kind of thinking."
STU: Well, I guess there is some part of it --
GLENN: Yes, go ahead.
STU: Like, for example, we must feed our infants. They can help themselves.
STU: So there is a line where there is something other than an "On your own" society.
STU: We've all recognized that for a millennia.
GLENN: We have, you have, I have. We've all done that. We all know what common sense is. This common sense, does common sense sound like you don't have the constitutional right to be able to homeschool your own child.
STU: I am with you on that.
GLENN: All righty then.
STU: But I don't want children to die for no reason, either.
GLENN: Neither do I.
STU: And if there's a rational -- to me I think I'm probably more on your side than the average person.
GLENN: No, you're not because you don't have a rifle.
STU: I'm leaning to your side because --
GLENN: No, I'm giving the keynote speech at the NRA. Oh, I have rifles. I have lots of rifles.
STU: You don't have to convince me. I'm just saying --
GLENN: And I have acreage and I have a shovel. You'll never be missed. Talk me down from the crazy tree! I don't think it can be done.