by Joel C. Rosenberg
GLENN: From Radio City in Midtown Manhattan, this is the third most listened to show in all of America. Hello, you sick twisted freak. Welcome to the program. Glad you're here. All this week on television we have been featuring Joel Rosenberg's book ""Dead Heat"." If you don't know who Joel Rosenberg is, he is an amazing man, great writer. He started really his life as a political advisor and as he described it, he kind of sucked at it. Well, I mean, I don't want to put words in your mouth. Joel, are you on the phone with us yet?
ROSENBERG: Glenn, you captured it. I was a failed political consultant.
GLENN: Your failure was -- I mean, you were working for Benjamin Netanyahu and everything else.
ROSENBERG: It wasn't all my fault. I helped Steve Forbes lose two presidential campaigns on the comeback campaign of former Israel prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Eight years later he hasn't quite come back but he is leading in the polls now and he has asked me to help him.
GLENN: Right. So you were failing at a very high level.
ROSENBERG: Well, you can do --
GLENN: So at one point Joel is also somebody who studies the scriptures and everything else and at one point he is looking at the events of the day, and if I'm not mistaken, you were on an airplane when this kind of clicked. Tell the story.
ROSENBERG: Well, yes. I'm an evangelical Christian from a Jewish background. Mother's gentile, father's orthodox Jewish, escaped out of Russia. So I was interested in Bible prophecy about Jews and about the rebirth of Israel, all these things that was parallel to my interest in geopolitics and working for these various political leaders.
So I'm working at that time in the fall of 2000, literally September 11th, 2000, one year before the attacks on the World Trade Center. I'm in a plane with former Israel deputy prime minister Natan Sharansky. Sharansky, I'm helping him do a media tour throughout the United States talking about the Middle East peace process. We're sitting on a plane and I'm asking him some questions and he starts telling me a story about when he was the -- a cabinet minister for then prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu. Netanyahu calls him into his office and said, Sharansky, I need you to go to Moscow to meet with then KGB chief Vladimir Putin and take this dossier and explain to the Russians how worried we as Israelis are getting about the possibility of a Russian/Iranian military alliance, particularly a nuclear alliance.
And so we were talking about this and I thought, first of all, this is fascinating to be talking and get an inside picture of an Israel leader, a Russian leader and this diplomacy but then suddenly something clicked in the back of my mind and I thought, this sounds very much like a Bible prophecy. Ezekiel 38 and 39, what Bible scholars call the war of Gog and Magog predicts one day in something called the last days a Russian/Iranian military alliance that will attack Israel with a group of other countries.
Now, Russia and Iran have never had an alliance like this in 2500 years since Ezekiel wrote the prophecy. So nobody had really paid that much attention to that particular prophecy. Now I'm on this plane and I'm hearing an inside story of how the Israelis are getting deeply worried about a Russian/Iranian alliance and literally for the first time in my life, the hair stood up on the back of my head. I thought, I mean, I can't say that I know for sure this is going to happen in my lifetime but I'm getting an inside picture in this. I wonder if someday I could write a novel, a political thriller, a Tom Clancy-esque novel about what would happen if this prophecy did play out in our lifetime. That's what set this into motion.
GLENN: Okay. Now, let me just give you, just so you know, I set this up here with Joel. So you understand who this guy is and what he has said in the past. First page of that first thriller was the last jihad, and the first page you're in the cockpit of a hijacked jet coming in on a kamikaze attack into an American city. Fortunately for Joel, unfortunately that nobody paid attention to that, that was nine months before September 11th. As jihad unfolds, an American President finds himself at war with Saddam Hussein over terrorism and weapons of mass destruction. But that was published five months before the actual war with Iraq began.
In the second novel, The Last Days, it opens up with an attack on a U.S. diplomatic convoy headed into gauze. The death of Yasser Arafat and radical Islam terrorists trying to seize the West Bank and Gaza. Two weeks before this was published and believe me I've got a book coming out at Christmas and it's due next week. So it's not like you see things coming and you are like, oh, yeah, let me just write it down real quick. Two weeks before this was published, so months after it was written, a U.S. diplomatic convoy was attacked in Gaza. 13 months later Yasser Arafat was dead. Then Hamas seized control of Gaza. In the next book, "A Dictator Rises to Power in Russia," Putin, an Iranian leader vows to annihilate Israel. Russia and Iran form an unprecedented military alliance. On the very day the novel came out, Iran elected a new president who vowed to accelerate his country's nuclear program. Four months later he vowed to wipe Israel off the map, and Russia agreed to sell all the billion dollars worth of high-tech programs and now we see that they actually have an alliance.
This goes on and on and on in your books. "Dead Heat" again is fiction but you describe in "Dead Heat" why -- a possibility of why the United States does not play a role in the end of days. That's one of the biggest questions for Americans to answer. If you believe in the end of days, if you believe there's a possibility that this is coming, why doesn't America play a role? A lot of people will tell you because, oh, we're so Christian that we're all taken up and there's nobody here to man the tank. You have another possibility.
ROSENBERG: Well, "Dead Heat" is the fifth and final political thriller in this series that, as you said, Glenn, began with the last jihad. Let me just say based on what you've described, the first line of "Dead Heat" in the author's note is, I pray to God nothing in this novel ever comes true. I don't want people to think that I'm predicting the events of "Dead Heat" or I saw it in a vision in the middle of the night. I'm making this up. But I'm basing it on Bible prophecy, and in this case as you are alluding to, I'm basing it on the lack of biblical prophecy about the United States.
I personally believe based on what the scriptures say that we are, in fact, living in the last days before the Messiah comes back again, Jesus Christ. How soon that's going to happen, I have no idea. The Bible says don't even try to guess. But the Bible does give this list of things to watch for. What it doesn't say anywhere in the Old Testament or New is any indication of a country like the United States being a factor.
Now, this raises a big question because, you know, if I'm right that we are living in the last days and you and I, Glenn, are living in the wealthiest, most powerful country on the face of the planet in the history of mankind, the question is, well, what happens to us? How come we're not a factor when so many other countries are specifically mentioned as being major players in the last times, including Israel and Iraq, two countries that didn't even exist for 2,000 years?