GLENN: Here's the thing. That's okay. I'm telling you right now go ahead. Go ahead. Let him be the candidate. Let him be the candidate. This guy, I cannot imagine in America that elects this guy. America is absolutely ready for a black man to be President but not an angry black man. Not an angry white man, not an angry woman. We're not ready for an angry person to be President of the United States. That's my problem with John McCain. I think he's an angry guy.
STU: And Obama has looked like the best one as far as that goes.
GLENN: We wanted to bring everybody together, bring everybody together.
STU: I don't know that he's still angry but when you're tied that closely to somebody like this, how do you not be influenced, for 20 years.
GLENN: Stu, 20 years. How do you miss it. The guy at the bare minimum, at the bare minimum is blind to people. If he's this blind -- let's just take him at face value: I had no idea he was like that, I had no idea he was like that.
STU: How can anybody try that.
GLENN: Let's just say. That's what he's claiming, right?
GLENN: Okay. So let's take it at face value. "I had no idea he was like that." So let's move on from that. "I'm going to meet with President Ahmadinejad here in the next couple of weeks to talk about relations over with Iran." Are you kidding me! You couldn't sit with a guy for 20 years and know how much hate and anger he was filled with and you think I'm going to trust you with relations in the Middle East?
STU: And he says he's going to meet with all these guys.
GLENN: He does.
STU: He's going to come back throwing birthday parties for them.
GLENN: He's going to come back going, "These guys are great! What are we doing!" Okay. So if you take him at face value, this guy cannot be the President of the United States.
STU: Yeah, think about every major political scandal almost always comes down to some guy who's too close that was dirty. That happens over and over again to political figures.
GLENN: No, but this is not, not usually -- usually it's like Rezco. Rezco you can say, okay, well, I don't really know what was going on there and, you know, how well did they know each other and it's just kind of dirty. This goes to the man's judgment.
GLENN: This is so critical if he cannot see something this obvious that we could see from a million miles away, he cannot be President of the United States.
STU: At least can't do it well.
GLENN: No, he can't be President.
STU: You think he could possibly be elected.
GLENN: No, no, I'm saying he cannot be President of the United States and --
STU: He should not.
GLENN: No, in this -- in today's world he cannot be the President of the United States. We would be -- we would be in so much trouble. I mean, you think Jimmy Carter is bad? You think Jimmy Carter judgment --
GLENN: You think his judgment is bad?
GLENN: I would like to make the case that this shows Jimmy Carter as being a much better judge of character than Barack Obama is.
STU: And this guy -- well, here's the thing, though. This is all on the basis that he's actually telling the truth which, the bottom line is he's not telling the truth.
STU: He knew.
GLENN: So now if you don't take him at face value, it only gets worse. If you don't take him at face value, what does that mean? Is he actually buried? Is he using Barack to be somebody -- is he using his name Barack to be somebody he's not? Is he posing as this, you know, this guy at church who's surrounded by hatred and bigotry? Is he posing as that for some reason? Is he trying to be popular? Is he just the typical politician that will do and say anything? This is the antithesis of what his campaign is built around.
STU: What he's supposed to be.
GLENN: He's supposed to be about hope and change. We've said what kind of change? If you listen to his pastor and his preacher and the theology of his church, there is no hope unless you get rid of the white man. So I don't believe the hope thing. The change, change to what? Change to what?
GLENN: Change to another politician that just lies to us, that says one thing but actually believes another?
STU: But he's lying about something else and that's what the whole sort of change we can all unite on.
GLENN: Oh, it's --
STU: We want a different kind of lie. We want a lie from somebody that looks different.
GLENN: We're going to play some of the -- we're going to play some of the audio from yesterday, and it is so clear. And then I'd like to hear from you. What exactly, what exactly does this tell you? How else can you read this? And if you'll excuse it, you are going to have to explain to me how you excuse it. And don't start down the road of, "Oh, well, we all have things..." No, excuse me. Excuse me. We don't all have this in our past, and it ain't past, gang. It's current. He still hasn't disavowed this church.
STU: Yeah, it's passed as of Monday.
GLENN: Yeah, "Well, our relationship has changed now." Do you realize the headlines are he has broken ties with his President? His exact words were, my relationship has changed. I'll explain why he's saying those things coming up in a second.