GLENN BECK PROGRAM
GLENN: Well, hopefully that won't happen. I mean, you got -- I mean, look. Say what you want about pedophiles, but there is no case of anyone being cured. You molest a 7-year-old child, there is no case where someone has been cured of it. I think you've crossed a line that you just can't recover from. I personally believe the law should be changed that it is mandatory life that if you are -- you know, you're molesting a 7-year-old, an 8-year-old, a 10-year-old, you're in for life. But a lot of people will tell you that that's too harsh. I don't understand how it could be. You think that's too harsh, Dan?
DAN: No, way. The kid's scarred for life. So I --
GLENN: Do you think that's too harsh, Stu?
GLENN: What is the line? What's the line? Stu I mean, I don't --
GLENN: Here's where it gets fuzzy. Here's where it gets fuzzy. Like that case of the guy in, where is it, Georgia, that was 17 and she was 13, he was 16 and she was 13. She was about to turn 14.
STU: Yeah, this is the football player, right?
GLENN: Yeah, and he's now got a -- he is a sexual criminal because she was, like, two weeks away or something like that from her birthday where she would have been legal to do it. I think I agree with the Adam Walsh law which is, got to be a four-year spread and under 13, I think.
STU: I know there are -- all these laws are different. Each state has really, you know, varying laws.
GLENN: I believe the Adam Walsh law is under 13.
STU: Definitely, no matter what.
GLENN: No matter what, under 13 and four years different. So in other words, if she is 14 and you're 16, it's not -- you're not a sexual predator. You're not a child molester. I think you are -- I mean, a 16-year-old preying on a 14-year-old, if you got a problem with that, then we should probably revisit the Nineties where you had a 50-year-old President preying on a 20-year-old. It's a power sort of thing.
STU: There is that distinction. Every one of us, when you went to high school, there was always those guys who were Juniors hitting on all the Freshmen. And how long young are Freshmen when they get into high school? 15?
GLENN: Hold on. Please do not include Dan in this conversation because it will go to Billy Joel. You did it. I wasn't even there. Please, please do not include him in this.
STU: But I do think there is -- I mean, I was about to stand up for -- there is the line of adulthood. You can do whatever the hell you want once you're 18.
GLENN: You're crazy or whatever, but, you know, that's totally fine. But 13, I think if you're a 12-year-old and he's 20, he's, you know, he's 17.
STU: I don't know, man. 13 and 17, there is no excuse for that, is there? 13 and 17? I mean, 13 you are talking, what, a Junior in high school?
GLENN: Again I stand by the four-year -- this is the Adam Walsh law, the four-year, under 13.
STU: I think most laws are tighter than that. I want to say a lot of these laws that do have the separation like that are two years, I think. Four years is a long time. Four years. To me honestly when you go back and think about your childhood as you are growing up, the line always was the school, wasn't it?
GLENN: Wait, wait. What I'm talking about is --
STU: Wasn't it?
GLENN: What I'm talking about is life.
GLENN: I'm talking about life. You know what I mean? So you don't have a mandatory life sentence lightly. It's got to be crystal, crystal clear.
STU: I agree. I don't think that it's --
GLENN: So I think maybe 18, 18 and four-year spread -- no. Just anything over 18 or 17 probably and anybody younger than 13, done.
STU: Yeah, if you are going 18, 12.
GLENN: If you are 18 and you are going 12, done, done. Yeah, the war on 18/12, I think that's what it is. And over 18/12, the over/under of 18/12.
STU: I love this bill. That's a great catchy name for it and everything.
GLENN: Yeah, the war of 18/12. We should start that.
STU: That is a great bill.
GLENN: It is. And anybody over 18 messing with anything 12 or under, mandatory life.
GLENN: I don't care about, oh, well, he was only 18. Don't care. War of 18/12. You learn it while you're in history, you learn it all in school. 18/12, 18/12. A year and four digits that you should never, ever forget.
STU: And there's a lot of other -- I mean, that doesn't mean you don't get anything for 18/15. You are still getting plenty of stuff to me.
GLENN: Life in prison. I'm talking about life in prison. Anytime you mess with a kid, you're 40 years old and you are with, you know, a 12-year-old, done. You are with a 13 -- life in prison, no questions asked. You are 40 and you are messing with a 13-year-old
STU: Still done.
GLENN: You are still done. You may not get -- the judge can give you life. You don't necessarily automatically get it. Or should --
STU: You should have a four-year rule, though. 13 can only go up to 17 in your rule.
GLENN: This is going to take you to Billy Joel. You do not want to go there.
STU: No, anything above -- the legal age of consent in most states is 16. Once you are above the legal age of consent, you can do whatever you want. But what I'm talking about, when you are talking about 13, I don't care if you're --
GLENN: Okay, okay. Hang on, hang on. 18/12.
GLENN: And anything over 18, under 16.
STU: 18/12, over 18 -- so you are saying 18 -- I gave you 18/15 would be a Freshman/Senior situation in high school. I don't know if you'd get life in prison for that. I'm not saying you don't get punished. You do --
DAN: What about 18/14 because that could be a senior/Freshman situation, too.
GLENN: Wait, wait. Got it. 18/12, 19/16. Both war years. We go to war 1812, 1916 .
STU: If you tune in to C-Span, this is exactly how they argue out bills. This is the Government right here at work.
GLENN: Think about it. I've got to take a break. So 18/12, if you are 18 and above, anything under 12. 19, over 19, got to be 16. Like congress we're going to take a break. Our summer session is over. We'll start another session soon.
GLENN: 888-727-BECK. 888-727-BECK. All right. Stu said in the break we don't need a 19/16 rule. We just need an 18/12 rule.
STU: War. 1812, keep it simple. That's the main law.
GLENN: Wait a minute. What we're trying to do is come up with a law that makes you have life in prison if you're molesting a child.
STU: Yes. And the law is 1812, if you are 18 or older and you have sex with someone who is 12 or younger, you are automatically serving life if you are convicted.
GLENN: But that doesn't cover a 40-year-old having sex with a 13-year-old.
STU: No, it doesn't. This is not the be all, end all law. You also said in there that you wanted a four-year law meaning that if you were going to have sex with a 13-year-old, you had to be 17 or younger to not get life.
GLENN: Yeah. That's part of the Adam Walsh thing.
STU: And again, that doesn't mean you don't get anything. I don't want to give this impression that, hey, 17 and 13, it's fair game. It's not at all. But we might not put you in prison for life.
GLENN: Yeah, you have to have a mandatory life. You don't put a guy who's 40 years old in the jail for life for having sex with a 13-year-old?
STU: Oh, yeah, but that's more than four years difference. All that's covered. This law covers that.
GLENN: No, it only would cover somebody having sex with under 12.
STU: No, it also has -- we talked about the four-year stipulation, again.
GLENN: I'm not willing to put somebody in. Billy Joel would go to jail.
DAN: She was like 20.
STU: Glenn, you would go to jail on a four-year stipulation. I'm talking about under the age of con sent, of 16. So --
GLENN: Then you need the 16 law in there.
STU: No, you don't. There's the 16-year-old age of consent. It's a separate law. You've got the age of consent, say, is 16. You can have sex -- if your age of consent law is 16 or older --
GLENN: What you are saying is we should enforce the laws we already have. This is too hard to understand.
STU: But then also implement an 1812 life in prison law.
DAN: It's going to keep getting out. That's the problem. They are all out there still.
GLENN: So age of consent would be covered on the four-year stipulation. Because that way if you are 20 and having sex with a 16-year-old or you are 19 and having sex with a 15-year-old, you are not going to go life in prison. You might get a punishment but you are not going to --
STU: But 2015 would be your line. That's a rough line because that is -- you could probably have a high school situation where a guy who stayed back --
GLENN: I wouldn't mind.
STU: -- several times.
GLENN: Several times.
STU: Like 100 times.
GLENN: That's how you met Lisa, isn't it?