Glenn Beck: A frank conversation with Jon Huntsman

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GLENN: I did a show two days ago with a live studio audience and my good

friend who I'll introduce you to here in a second, and when I got off, the

producers we have I don't even know, what do we have? Twelve producers that are

in the studio, twenty producers that are in the, you know, in the control room.

And there one of the guys, all he has to do is watch the time, watch the time,

make sure that everything is right for the network. He said you know it's a good

show when I forget about the fact that there is a clock. He said, a couple of

times I got yelled at because they were like, what time? And he was like, oh,

oh, crap. He said, that's never happened to me before. And the next day the crew

came in and they said to me, if we had to archive five shows, this would be the

number one show. They said this is the most amazing show we've ever done on

television. And it is a show on self reliance, it is a show on liberating

strife, on you can make it through anything. It is also one on misunderstanding

of wealth and stuff. And the best guy I know to talk about it and is a guy who I

just made him extraordinarily uncomfortable a few minutes ago, but I he can

never say this but I can because I believe it with everything in me. He is the

only man I have ever met that I believe has the character of George Washington.

Jon Huntsman, Sr. is a good friend and mentor of mine. Welcome to the program,

Jon, how are you?

HUNTSMAN: Well, Glenn, thank you very much. I'm

GLENN: I know.

HUNTSMAN: I'm overwhelmed. I'm overwhelmed.

GLENN: Did you leave your white horse out on the

HUNTSMAN: My white horse is right by the Delaware River.

GLENN: Yeah. I know you're a big fan of George Washington as well and know the

character of the man, and I know it's something that you have strived for your

whole life is to be a man of real character. We were talking off the air a few

minutes ago, and I want you to try to address this, Jon. Jon, so you know, grew

up in a house so poor, that he had cardboard walls. He had one shirt, one pair

of shoes, right?

HUNTSMAN: Right.

GLENN: Yeah. Poverty unlike what most people understand poverty in America to be

like.

PAT: But they were Gucci shoes, I understand.

HUNTSMAN: Come on, Pat.

GLENN: And so Jon grew up, and he has seen it. Even when he was poor, his wife

told me this story, that when he was when he was poor, she would divvy out the

few dollars that they had so he could have lunch and everything else when he was

working long hours. She didn't know, and he didn't say anything to her because

he just, you know, he knew what she would say. He took that money for his lunch

and he gave it to the neighbors down the street because they were worse off than

they were. And so he made sure that they had something to eat every day and he

went without. And this is a long, long story in his life. Built Huntsman

Chemical Company which is the largest now chemical corporation privately owned

in the world and his lived his life ethically.

Jon, people are looking for answers on the country on what to do, and I think

they are looking for a magic bullet. I think they're looking for a political

solution here. As a businessman, how much trouble is the country in?

HUNTSMAN: Well, Glenn, number one, thanks thank you very much, very much for

your kindness, Glenn. You're always exceedingly thoughtful and gracious, and you

build me into an individual that sometimes I really have to pinch myself

because, you know, I have a hard time living up to your expectations, Glenn.

GLENN: Well, you wouldn't have to pinch yourself. If you just fly commercially,

TSA will do it for you now.

HUNTSMAN: Just frisk myself. But, you know, Glenn, the key right now to America

is that we have to get back to being to trust one another. I think the word you

know, faith, hope and charity, I have these great pictures in my office of

faith, hope and charity that you gave me. And I look at them every day and I

think if we could just trust one another. If our handshake was our bond, if we

had that wonderful feeling of admiration and trust. And I think our Founding

Fathers, they would disagree but they weren't disagreeable. They didn't hate

each other, they didn't want to kill each other off.

GLENN: They did, they yelled and screamed and they were passionate about their

point of view and they argued hard with each other. Thomas Jefferson and John

Adams. But they were decent men. They in the end George Washington said to them,

look, you have more in common. And they had the values and principles in common.

I don't know, Jon, if we have values and principles in common anymore.

HUNTSMAN: Well, you know, I particularly love Franklin because I went to the

University of Pennsylvania and Franklin, of course, was a founder there. And

we've studied his life, and I loved his book on pragmatism, the pragmatic nature

of man. And coming back to your point, Glenn, we do. I think the basic majority

of people listening to this program are honest, God fearing people and they just

don't understand what's going on with their government. They don't understand

this massive debt. They don't understand what's happened to them in the last few

years. But it's not their fault. I think they themselves are God fearing, fine,

wonderful people who you're honored to have as your friends. And I think that's

a vast majority of Americans today.

GLENN: So if you're looking for a political answer, I don't think there is I

mean, we have to be vigilant, we have to, you know, play our role as a citizen

and vote and everything else. But I think the problems that are coming, I Jon,

would you agree about me that I don't know if you can because of your position

in the world, but that the system is unsustainable as we have designed it today

and it needs to be reset in some form or another back to things that are true.

And faith, hope and charity, things that are the things that poor Richards used

to teach us. The common sense, you know, be thrifty and, you know, save your

money and there is there is a difference between good debt and bad debt and

honesty is the best policy, all of that stuff.

HUNTSMAN: Well, you know, we don't have a choice, Glenn. I think the history of

the world suggests if one studies the Romans and one studies the early Greeks

and one studies the history of the world, they all eventually falter if they

don't come back to the basic aspect of integrity and honor and feelings of love

one for another. I think of this great term that Churchill came up with

originally, that without integrity, nothing else counts. With integrity, nothing

else counts. And so what we're saying is in essence, we have to bring integrity

back into the lives of the nation, our leaders, our people, our individuals. And

if we don't, history has a way of changing events so that we will, and we must.

GLENN: People say it's God. It really is God. It's nature God sets up the laws

of nature and if you betray the laws of nature, after a while it doesn't matter.

He doesn't come and destroy you and punish you. You punish yourself because

you're out of the laws of nature.

HUNTSMAN: Well, precisely true, Glenn. And, you know, I've always felt badly for

people who said, well, there is no God, I don't believe in God. If someone does

not believe in a higher power and in the blessings of God and His son Jesus

Christ and I'm not trying to preach. I'm just saying my own beliefs it's sad.

It's sad to me because then what they believe in is themselves and money and

greed and how much do I get out of this world and how much can I take away from

it instead of, what can I contribute to it, what can I give to it. And you know,

I was so interested, Glenn, to see that most Americans today still give to

charity. More than any country in the world.

GLENN: I know.

HUNTSMAN: The United States of America.

GLENN: By far.

HUNTSMAN: Our citizens. And I found another interesting statistic. Those people

who make under $20,000 a year, they give an average of 4% of their income to

charity, whereas those who make more give an average of 2% to charity.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

HUNTSMAN: Isn't that interesting? So our people, good, are good, solid people,

but we have to give back into a belief in God, into a belief in each other and

into a love and sustaining of one another.

GLENN: I have to introduce you to a friend of mine, Rabbi Daniel Lapin. I don't

know if you've seen him on the TV show.

HUNTSMAN: I have, sure.

GLENN: He's been teaching me so much, and he's been trying to teach, in his own

way, the Old Testament to me in ancient Hebrew. Do you know what the word

"Love," how the word "Love" is described in ancient Hebrew? You know, the two

symbols, it takes two symbols to write the word "Love" in Hebrew. And the first

symbol is "I." The second symbol is "Give."

HUNTSMAN: Makes sense. Makes sense.

GLENN: So the definition of "Love," you can't say I love something. For

instance, I love turkey. No, you're consuming turkey.

HUNTSMAN: That's right.

GLENN: If you really want to know how God, in the only language that hasn't

really changed, Hebrew, if you want to know how God's change, you He described

love, it was "I give." So if you are giving, it is showing love. And I was

talking to Marcus Luttrell the other night about, you know, marriage and because

he just got married. And I said, when you just want to serve them, that's when

you know. That's when you know. Just, I just want to serve you. I just want to

serve.

HUNTSMAN: Charity faileth not and, you know, it's such a great privilege. In my

life it's been an interesting situation because born in a small rural town in

Idaho with nothing and then having the blessings of reaping a huge fortune and

giving it away or trying to give it away and having a lot of problems in our

life, you know. No family out there listening to this program, no matter what

their wealth is, will go through life without stumbling and falling.

Our youngest son is severely handicapped mentally. Our beautiful 44 year old

daughter died this past year, leaving seven little children. I've had cancer

four times. But you know, Glenn, God has blessed me, and I feel so honored and

so privileged in the blessings of life.

GLENN: You I have to tell you, Jon, in the last year and I'm going to go all

Gayle King/Oprah Winfrey on you here in a second. In the last year when I first

met you, I didn't know much about you. I just knew that you were a billionaire

and everything else and so I didn't know very much and I liked you immediately.

And I saw that you were a good, decent man. And as I saw your planes and your

homes and everything else, it would be very easy for me to say, wow, what a

life. Look at this. Man, wouldn't you like to be Jon Huntsman. And in many ways

my family and my friends have said that and I have said that. I mean, you know,

you lead, you lead an unbelievable life that very few humans have ever led. But

in this last year, Jon, I would never want to be you because I have learned and

that's what this show is about. I have learned the incredible cost that you have

paid not for your wealth, but you have I think for your integrity. I think there

is a cost. The opposition grows in strength, and you have handled it with such

grace and dignity. I don't envy any of your, any of your wealth. I envy your

integrity and I envy the way you've lived your life. It is remarkable,

remarkable life.

HUNTSMAN: Well, Glenn, you know, once again you've I'm overcome a bit by your

kindness, but I'm reminded when you say those things of my sweet mother. She

died very young of cancer and her mother before her died of cancer. But on my

mother's tombstone in a little Utah town are etched these words by Shakespeare:

Sweet are the uses of adversity. And I think of it so often is each of us in our

own ways, in our own hearts, in our own respective jobs or families, sometimes

we're alone, but we're going to be tested and retested by adversity and if we

can bounce back and if we can keep telling ourselves, I know I can make it, I

know I can make it. And you go out and you do something for someone else and you

try, you put your arm around them, don't feel sorry. Self pity is the worst

possible disease that can affect mankind. And if we do just the opposite, which

is love, then we have God's feelings with us at all times. And that's what

you're saying, Glenn. I mean, that's the only thing that's going to salvage this

great nation of ours is to get back to God again.

GLENN: Firm reliance on the protection of divine providence.

Many members of the far-left already are calling for a ‘Night of Rage’ after the Supreme Court’s 6-3 decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, and the White House has been discussing plans to defy the ruling too. In fact, one idea floated by Biden Administration officials, according to the New York Times, includes providing abortions on military bases. So, will America experience another summer of riots? Are YOUR taxpayer dollars at risk? And what does this mean for deep-blue states? Josh Hammer, legal expert and opinion editor for Newsweek, joins Glenn to discuss what may come next...

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GLENN: Josh Hammer, he's the opinion editor of Newsweek. He's the host of the Josh Hammer show. He is really quite brilliant. One of the leading minds in the conservative movement, I think. Josh Hammer joins us now.

To tell us, what did you find in this decision?

JOSH: Glenn, great to be back with you, on such a momentous, and really such an emotional day, honestly. So, you know, look, as you said, this dropped recently. Funny enough, I was in the middle of getting a guest lecture from an organization on the advisory board as to when it drops. So I barely had any time to kind of skim through, let alone guess the concerning dissenting opinions. But it looks like this looks very similar, to the draft opinion that was leaked, by the Politico story, a month and a half ago, in early May. And I think those of us who were praying that the five justices from this leaked draft opinion, would have the fortitude to stiffen their spines against this unprecedented assault. Now knows that our prayers were answered, Glenn. That's really my takeaway right now.

This looks a lot like the leaked opinion. Justice Thomas and Justice Kavanaugh have some reconcurring opinions.

But unbelievable. And really just holding aside the constitutional law stuff for a second hear. Just speaking as pro-lifers, on a day like today, I think we really just need to pause. And I tweeted this out earlier. We need to just be grateful for our half century of pro-life activist forbearers. You know, this -- Glenn, this issue could have gone away after 1973. That was a long time ago. 1973. I mean, this issue could have just gone away. We owe a tremendous debt of gratitude to the pro-life moral activist. Political activist. And, of course, yes. Legal activist. Who fought day in and day out, that makes sure this great injustice stayed front and center of our national, political conscience. And in many days, the culmination of a half century of fighting for truth and justice. But in many ways, it's also a new beginning for the pro-life fight as well, interestingly.

STU: How do you mean a new beginning for the fight? I just it's going to turn, I think we're going to see abortion turn even darker in those states that allow it. Is that -- is that what you're meaning by this?

JOSH: Well, look, for a half century now, Roe vs. Wade, and its project any, specifically, the Planned Parenthood versus Casey case of 1992.

They took away from the states obviously. They arrogated authority away from the states, the ability to attempt to nationally codify one view of the morality of abortion.

It happened to be a profoundly immoral view. So these -- the fight now shifts to the states. And the pro-life activists. And all the 50 states. Especially, obviously in red states. Purple states. I mean, admittedly some blue states like New York and California, probably won't be able to touch them there.

But we have to make sure that our side is well positioned in the state Capitols for every red, purplish, probably even light blue state, to make sure we fight for successful, cogent, and morally consistent pro-life legislation. The state of Oklahoma, actually, just north of Texas. Right where you are now, Glenn. They have been leading on this actually. Governor Kevin Stitt signed into law, a fantastic pro-life bill there in Oklahoma. A few weeks ago. Maybe a month ago or so at this point, that basically just bans abortion straightforward from conception. And there are some -- you know, obviously, likable the mother. So forth. But we really need to start thinking about trying to craft legislation now, at the state level. But to your point, I do fear that the blue states will only double down in their radicalism. Unfortunately within that will only lead to an ever greater divide, in our country, that we have today. But obviously, at the end of the day. We're going to save at the end of the day, millions and millions of unborn children. We are going to save human beings who can grow up to cure cancer, who can win Nobel prices.

I mean, this is just a tremendous win for the human species. I don't know how to say it other than that.

GLENN: I will tell you, I saw the stat, that I think it was last year or the year before. 20 percent of all pregnancies ended in abortion. 20 percent.

JOSH: Wow.

GLENN: That is -- that is a shocking number. And we do have our -- our work cut out for us. Because I -- I think that these states are going to double down. But I think, you know -- God doesn't waste anything. You know, there is no waste with God. Even the -- even the worst things that could possibly happen, turn out to be something good. You know what I mean? You're like, holy cow, how did that just happen.

And I think that evil is going to fully come unmasked. I'm telling you, Josh. I don't know how you feel about this. I think this could be the day of America's Kristallnacht. I can see these pro-life centers being burned to the ground today. They're calling for a night of rage around the country. I think evil is going to show itself. And that will scare the American people, hopefully.

JOSH: You know, I've been thinking about this a lot this week, actually. Because I've been bracing for a new kind of George Floyd summer of love, happening this summer. Coming to a city or suburb near you. Unfortunately, myself. Look, I live in Florida. I know, Glenn, you live in Texas. It is in moments like this, where I do think that where you live matters. And who your mayor is. Who your governor is, matters.

Because law and order and rioting and anarchy is not really a federal issue. It is to a limited extent. June 2020, Tom Cotton wrote this op-ed that was pretty controversial at the time.

I happen to agree with it. Where he said, quote, unquote, send in the troops. And there is some federal legislation from the reconstruction era that would justify that.

But most kind of quelling and quashing of anarchy does happen. Constitutionally speaking, at the state and local level. So at a moment like this, where I fear that you're probably not wrong. I take some solace. That Governor DeSantis is my governor. I think Texans should take some solace, that they are represented by -- by a Republican governor. The legislature there as well. So I -- I fear that you are right. I pray obviously, that no one -- it's hard.

I fear that it's something -- that something bad is happening. At the end of the day, of course. It does not mean that justices cannot do what they are supposed to do. So thank God they did that.

GLENN: So, Josh, have you looked into what the White House has been saying? The White House yesterday. In fact, do we have a clip of -- of this?

What the White House said yesterday, about the guns. And then they were turned to the -- the Scott us ruling, for Roe vs. Wade. Do we have that, please?

JOSH: Will the president accept this decision, even if he disagrees with it?

VOICE: I think it's going to come from the Supreme Court. So it's a decision we certainly are going to respond to. I'll leave it at that. Just like any other Supreme Court decision. Just like the one they did today on guns.

GLENN: So the White House won't say that they're going to accept it.

Which I don't think they will. They're talking now about taking doctors and moving them into places like Oklahoma or Texas, where abortions will be outlawed. And putting doctors on our military bases to perform abortions.

I mean, where does this go, when you have a government, that is in defiance of -- of one branch of the government?

JOSH: So there's a lot to unpack here. So we should start from first principles. The idea of judicial supremacy, and this is a peculiar thing, to say on a day like today, where such a pro-life victory has happened in Italy. But if we're going to be consistent here, the idea of judicial supremacy. The idea that the justices, have the sole and exclusive ability to interpret the Constitution for themselves. And no other Constitutional actor, in article one or article two, let alone the state. Has the ability to tentatively interpret it. That is erroneous. In fact, actually it was really Abraham Lincoln actually, who in the Dred Scott case, famously opposed judicial supremacy and flouted the Dred Scott ruling, at least as it pertains to everybody other than Dred Scott himself. I have actually argued, a former legal scholarship, in a law review article actually, that the Laconian view of how each branch of government should interpret the Constitution for itself, is correct.

Having said that. Having said that, there is a thing called prudence. And there is a thing called comedy. And in a moment like today, when it really does look like -- and I agree with you, that we are now bracing for riots through the streets. When the political rhetoric is at DEFCON one. When people are trying to assassinate Supreme Court justices. I think it would be -- at its bare minimum, a profoundly imprudent act. For the Biden administration, to try to undermine this ruling.

Now, what they might do, is they might try to kind of issue some kind of executive orders, or issue some regulations, that might try to kind of undermine it, at the edges here. But at the end of the day, the idea that this returns to the state. There's not really a whole lot they can do about that. Basically, at this point, throughout the country. Kentucky within West Virginia. Kansas. Whatever. If they want to go ahead and ban abortion, what can the Biden administration literally do about that? I mean, short of sending in the National Guard, to protect Planned Parenthood, if the state legislature of Kentucky goes ahead and bans it. There's not a whole lot they can do. And it's very difficult to envision a world, in which the Biden administration literally sends in troops to red states, to protect Planned Parenthood, if that state legislature goes ahead and bans it. So for practically speaking. This is a lot of tough talk and rhetoric. Obviously the campaign here in 2022. There's not really a whole lot that practically speaking, they can do to actually prevent red and purple states from enacting pro-life legislation.

GLENN: I'm glad to -- I'm glad to hear that. I know that they have been working on things. I mean, he has said, you know, there's executive orders, that I can employ. There are things that I can do. He's talked about a national public health emergency. Which I think is just -- is crazy. But I would hope, that the president would come out and say, we strongly disagree with this. And you're right. The court is not the end all. But the court did not end abortion. It just said, the people should decide. I think that's the best kind of court ruling, on any of it. The people should decide what this is. And send it back to the states. Josh, I thank you very much. Appreciate your time. Was there -- there was another ruling, that came out today. Was it important?

JOSH: Oh, no. In comparison to this. A total nothing burger. A 5-4 decision on Medicare reimbursement related. So nothing, honestly.

GLENN: Great. Thank you very much. Appreciate it, Josh. Josh Hammer, opinion editor for Newsweek. And the host of the Josh Hammer show.

GLENN: There are two things trending on twitter right now.

Number one is praise God.

Number two trend is Night of Rage.

Good verses evil.

Build up or tear down.

'Lord, we are SORRY it has taken us this long': BlazeTV hosts react to historic Roe v. Wade decision

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The Supreme Court of the United States officially overturned Roe V. Wade, and the debate over abortion rights has been given back to the states. On this historic day, BlazeTV hosts celebrate the Supreme Court's incredible decision and take a look at some of the insane reactions as the left comes completely undone.

Jason Whitlock: Today will forever stand as a pivotal moment in our nation’s history

The Supreme Court of the United States overturned Roe v. Wade. The decision and the reaction to it have already revealed a lot about our people and politics. Pro-life groups celebrate, pro-choice groups call for “a night of rage,” and Nancy Pelosi just seems completely confused by the United States Constitution.

Glenn Beck reacts LIVE to Roe v. Wade ruling: 'Lord, we are SORRY it has taken us this long'

I never thought that in my lifetime, I would see Roe v. Wade be overturned. But today, that day has come. The Supreme Court has voted 6 to 3 to return decisions about abortion to the states. But this fight isn't over. We are about to see good versus evil side by side. Many states will stand with the unborn. But others will become abortion mills. It's your turn to choose now, America!

Allie Beth Stuckey: 'Praise God, Roe v. Wade is overturned!'

I don't know about you, but I just had the most euphoric feelings. It almost seems too good to be true. I didn't think there was any way that this would actually happen, especially with all the backlash, intimidation, and violence toward the Supreme Court justices. And yet, here we are. Roe v. Wade has been overturned. This is an amazing day!

Dave Rubin: Big disagreement on what happens next now that Roe v. Wade is overturned

Dave Rubin, Libby Emmons, Jeffrey A. Tucker, and David Reaboi debate what will happen in the wake of the Supreme Court’s breaking decision on Roe v. Wade. Now that abortion rights have been pushed back to the states, will there be a summer of massive riots or not? Will the Roe v. Wade ruling make America’s political polarization significantly worse?

Stu Burguiere: Here are the reasons SCOTUS overturned Roe v. Wade

I never thought this would happen. I never thought I would see this day. I just never ever ever ever never ever believed that Roe v. Wade would actually be overturned. I really didn't. But let's take a look at the reasons this day has finally come ...

The Rick & Bubba Show: 'This is history! Unfortunately we're 60 million lives too late'

We were live on the air when news broke of the Supreme Court decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.

Today, the Supreme Court of the United States overturned its controversial 1973 Roe v. Wadeopinion, concluding that there is no constitutional right to an abortion.

"The Constitution does not confer a right to abortion; Roe and Casey are overruled; and the authority to regulate abortion is returned to the people and their elected representatives," the syllabus of the decision reads.

As expected, the leftist outrage erupted instantaneously, fueled largely by the misinformed idea that overturning Roe v. Wade means abortion will be banned nationwide. But, as stated in the above-mentioned Supreme Court syllabus, the authority has actually been returned to individual states and their duly elected lawmakers.

One such misinformed leftist, Parkland shooting survivor Cameron Kasky, was infuriated that those awful Supreme Court justices "just voted to kill women." So he took to Twitter to urge people to go to the homes of said Supreme Court justices to "let them know how you feel."

"Go to the home of every Supreme Court justice who just voted to kill women. Let them know how you feel," Kasky tweeted.

The backlash was immediate:

Kasky decided to delete his original tweet because he is apparently "sick of republicans talking to [him]." But, unfortunately for Kasky, the internet is indeed forever:

Speaking from the White House, President Joe Biden dutifully helped spread the misinformation about the Supreme Court's decision to overturn Roe v. Wade, and took the opportunity to prompt voters to elect more Democrats in November so that Congress can write abortion protections into law. Did the president just let slip the real reason Congress hasn't made any effort to start writing such laws in the nearly two months since Justice Samuel Alito's draft opinion was "leaked" in early May?

Watch Glenn Beck and producer Stu Burguere discuss how Biden's speech reveals that Democrats are absolutely terrified of the upcoming midterm elections. Can't watch? Download the podcast here.

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