RADIOJune 25, 2025

Bannon: Did Trump get DUPED by the Deep State?

“We’re already in the beginning of the kinetic part of the Third World War.” Steve Bannon joins Glenn Beck to react to President Trump’s ceasefire deal between Israel and Iran, which was on shaky ground just hours after it was announced. Is there a chance that the Deep State is feeding the administration bad information? Steve explains why he believes Deep State CIA operatives may be pushing for regime change in Iran.

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GLENN: Host of Bannon's War Room. Former White House chief strategist. Steve Bannon.

Welcome to the program, Steve. How are you?

STEVE: Hey, Glenn. Thanks for having me.

GLENN: You bet. Stu and I were just saying. This is like fast and furious.

I can't keep up with all the action that's going on.

It looks like the cease-fire has fallen apart. Donald Trump is not happy about it.

In case you missed what he said, headed to the helicopter this morning, can we play that, Sara?

Do we have it?

The edited version, please.
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DONALD: Israel violated it too. Israel, as soon as we made the deal, they came out and they dropped a load of bombs the likes of which I've never seen before. The biggest load we've seen. I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, okay. Now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the first hour and just drop everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with Iran either.

But I'm really unhappy if Israel is going out this morning. Because the one rocket that was shot, perhaps by mistake, that didn't land, I'm not happy about that.

Well, we basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard, that they don't know what the (bleep) they're doing. Do you understand that?

GLENN: Yes. Mr. President, I think we understand where you're coming from.

What are your thoughts, Steve?

STEVE: Look, you know the president as well as anybody. And you can tell, he's put a lot of his spirit into this. A lot of his focus. And he has worked out -- I mean, I've never seen him, quite frankly, this mad, on any topic.

He's really worked up.

And I think he, you know, really went overtime, once with the Qataris. And UAE. And got to work at this cease-fire.

And once everybody put town their guns. And, of course, they're slogging it out.

I think Mark Prudhoe over at Axios was reporting even more than that, was going to Marine One and into NATO.

I think he had a phone call with Netanyahu, and really got on him, about this.

So, you know, this thing is very tenuous, but the President has gone the extra yard, to make sure everybody, you know, puts down their guns and have both sides try to figure this out.

GLENN: You know, I saw a tweet from him this morning, that said, Israel, do not, you know, follow through on these bombs.

And he -- I've never seen him do this before.

Do not do it! Donald J. Trump president of the United States.

I -- you know, for anybody who ever says that, oh, Donald Trump is being led by those Jews, and Israel is telling him. No. No. Donald Trump is clearly the one in charge here. Would you agree with that?

STEVE: Well, I think, let's discuss it. But I think on this right here, people should take that as a papal bowl. You know, I've never seen him actually do that even in the Ukraine situation, the CCP, the Russians, even some of the toughest situations with Soleimani and others in the first term.

This is -- some of those Truth Social posts were pretty blunt. And like I say, when President Trump is worked up like this, particularly when he's put so much time and he's working for peace, and wants everybody to put the guns down. People should take this as a papal bowl. I think it's that serious.

GLENN: I want to come back to what we -- you said, let's discuss that. And I do want to discuss that.

Before we do, let me just follow up here.

You keep saying, that he spent so much time on it.

I think he has -- I think he has risked more in this last week, with his own base.

Than I've seen him put.

I mean, he put all of the chips on the table. I mean, this could have been an absolute disaster.

Who knows. Maybe it is, in the end.

Maybe it's not.

Maybe it's a Nobel Prize, that he should. Another one, that he should win.

But he -- the base is so divided on this.

I think that's part of the frustration too.

He put all the chips on the table.

Can we just get people to do what they say, they are going to do. Would you agree with that?

STEVE: I would agree, and I think it's even beyond the politics of the base. I mean, Glenn, you know better than anybody, how torn non-interventionists are on this topic.

But maybe it's actually, you know, as commander-in-chief and the resources and the accents.
And the men and women in harm's way. Particularly, as I've argued, we're already at the beginning of the kinetic part of the circle.

If you look at 1939 or 1914 or '41, from Poland and Russia, there's, you know, the guns.

Two million people dead or wounded in Ukraine, and look at the Houthis in the red state.
I mean, this is much -- we're already in the kinetic part of the Third World War. And now this arc of civility.

Cashmere and Pakistan. President Trump is going out of his way to try to be a peacemaker here. And to bring this thing to a conclusion, so people can start to negotiate. We saw the beginnings of that over in the Middle East. So, yes. Definitely politics. The internal politics. The MAGA movement. It's familiar with this. Anybody.

I think it's far deeper than that. And he put it on the table. I think we have to question, why the hell are we even here right now?

Why on the 24th of June, in the year of 2025, in the situation with 10 million alien invader on Biden's watch. In the country.

These neo Confederates, running California, these sanctuary cities. The big, beautiful deal, which has so many huge issues we have to address.

We have spent time talking about this. So many things going on. It's tough. As an active shooting.

GLENN: So, you know, because I've been listening to you. And I think we agree on a lot of stuff here. Neither one of us wanted him to drop the bombs. You're stronger on that, than I am.

But, you know, now that it's been dropped. Now we just have to deal with whatever we're going to deal with.

But I think we both stand on the same place on, my support -- when I read in the Scriptures, you know, who those will bless Israel, I will bless.

That doesn't mean I go town every path that Israel wants. I don't have to agree with them.

I don't have to do anything. The way I believe I'm to bless them, is to say, they have a right to exist. Let's not do another Holocaust. And allow them to use their own power for self-defense.

They've demonstrated they can do that. We don't have to get involved in everything that they're doing.

Would you agree, that that is a reasonable stance?

Or what's the nuance.

VOICE: Yeah. I would take it a little further.

Not just personally. But we're supporters of Israel and the state of Israel.

GLENN: Right.

STEVE: From October 7th, you know, you look at Israel in Gaza, which is messy. We've been a big supporter of there, going against Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

Our only message is, you know, when you have to go to hell, go through as quick as possible.

In Sumeria, what they've done with Hezbollah is monumental. Because Hezbollah, as you know, Glenn, was considered I guess as one of the best countries in the world. What they've done in southern Syria. The Israelis have done militarily, I think and geopolitically, extraordinary war since the surprise attack. But there's just so many questions about this.

And so many questions about why we're so tangled up in this thing right now, that -- and I just think we are anxious. Because to continue to support Israel, and again, look, the support that they really need. We don't have a formal alliance.

We have a special relationship.

They're essentially a protectorate of the United States. And if that's the case, and we should not be in the protectorate business. We shouldn't -- they finally guaranteed to pay five percent. I mean, think of this huge. If you remember, Israel laughed at us for paying 2 percent, which they agreed to in President Trump's first term.

And one of the points was, we can't have Western Europe and the elites in Western Europe as protecting the United States because we can't afford it anymore.

He's making huge moves there, and that's why I think in this situation, we really have to go through and see exactly how this came about.

And I think it will be -- it will illuminate how it goes forward, to sort this mess out.

GLENN: So do you think we would have dropped the bomb if Israel would have dropped that bomb?

I mean, that bomb was made for that particular run. And we have been rehearsing that run for 15-plus years.

Specifically, and nobody else has a weapon, that was built for those -- for that particular drop.

If Israel could have had it. Do you think Donald Trump would have font involved. Because I don't think he would have.

STEVE: Glenn, let me take a slightly different direction.

In '79, my destroyer -- I was in the Pacific fleet. And we were going for our second west pack. You know, terms, and we got the call on the rubber forest.

We were in DESRON '23. The whole famous destroyers -- we got the call that the hostages had been taken. It took us a couple of months to get there. We were one of the first battle groups ever to get to the north Iranian sea. And we were there. I think we rotated out a month before the assault.

But we tracked the assault every day. And, Glenn, you can turn up, like you're not in Kansas anymore.

GLENN: Yeah.

STEVE: The scale of the place is so big. It's so forbidding. You know, the ocean. And if you've ever seen the sun.

It's just so complicated.

As you know, that one was a complete, abject failure.

And I think the region would not serve on any of those ships on the battlefield. Could have told you 90 days before the launch, there was going to be a disaster.

Just given the logistics of it.

This -- it was the tomahawk missiles that went to the third site, and destroyed it above ground.

Essentially, Israel had done nothing, to take down any of the nuclear facilities. Let's go back to the way we had to get to the heart of it. Why did this come out of nowhere?

The intelligence that we're told, the intelligence is different, and this is what happened to Marco Rubio and other people.

That the intelligence is different that happen the indulgence that I see the community have.

You know, classified hearings with Tulsi Gabbard and Ratcliff.

And my understanding is Ratcliff presented additional intelligence that said, this was absolutely an emergency. And had to happen.

And that's what they said, had to happen, last Thursday.

Although, it shouldn't be lost on anybody, that the strike itself was so much to take up the nuclear facilities.

It was essentially a strike, to the senior military. Maybe not to the -- to the religious, that ran the state. And I thought that was just very suspicious.

Including the fact that President Trump had a negotiation meeting set for Sunday.

Now, it wasn't going well, even though they came along. But the first thing we heard was that Ratcliff -- I mean, Whitcaulf (phonetic) couldn't have a meeting because all the negotiators had been killed.

Now, it turned out later, one of the senior guys was not. But I think we have to find out that, like what was the emergency? Why did this actually have to happen?

What was the Intel that said, that they were going to get a bomb.

Surely, the 12, 13 months away, which is what this tradition said. It happened. If that was the case, that's a very different -- we had not gone to that escalatory scale, to diplomacy.

Certainly hadn't gone to economic warfare, particularly Glenn, as you know, cutting off -- not allowing the ship oil to the Chinese Communist Party, which I think is 60 percent of their cash flow.

So many things on the escalatory ladder.

And if you want regime change, I always think the best way to do it is through economic warfare.

Where President Trump got so tough, when he dropped out of the JCPO. And that's why in '22, you had the first time, I think they had a major revolt in the streets.

That only lasted a couple of weeks. That was because they sanctioned President Trump again.
Then we get to the bombing run.

The bombing run is why -- why -- why Los Angeles class submarine. Thirty tomahawks on a facility that is above ground.

And I would love to see the dashboard.

President Trump, I believe that we obliterated it. But I haven't seen any ballistic missile capabilities that can get to the United States tomorrow, San Francisco tomorrow.

I think this whole thing was from the beginning. I think you can look at Fox News, which I really fault here.

This is clearly about a regime change.

I think the Netanyahu government saw an opportunity to do a regime change.

Until I see otherwise, it's an absolute mammalian.

That's the reason I was really against any type of military engagement. Now, it turns out, magnificent logistics, and people don't realize how complicated that was, and how unincredible.

But President Trump, I think it's one and done.

And now he's got a ceasefire. And he's very specific. I think he came out today. I think Bloomberg put out and said that there's no regime change.

But my point is the opposite. Because this is going to suck us into -- if not open combat. This will suck us into just the mind share of President Trump, to have to engage here. When we have so many other president --

GLENN: So -- I want to get -- I want to get into that. I have two things. I have to take a break. Then I will come back with two things.

First of all, I think this is why President Trump was so angry today.

He sees that Israel is going for a regime change, and I don't think he is going to get involved in anything, regarding regime change. He knows that could be an absolute disaster. It could be great. It could be an absolute disaster. And more likely, an absolute disaster. And that's why he's so angry with that. I want to come back and ask you a couple of questions.

One, so is this Deep State? Or is it Israel?

And I would love to hear your upon Israel, and how they might be -- I'm gathering here, you're thinking that they're kind of leading us by the nose.

I disagree with that. I would love to hear your point on that.

We'll get there in 60 seconds.

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I mean, you have seen President Trump in, you know, more situations than most people.

And I -- you know, he has even said, I didn't really know what I was up against. On my first term.

But I am now.

And I have a hard time believing that he's going to be duped by the Deep State. Do you think he is being duped? Or just -- just being moved around, by the Deep State?

STEVE: I don't think. First of all, I don't think it's Israel. I'm a huge supporter of Israel.

GLENN: Okay. Good. I know that. I didn't mean to imply anything differently.

STEVE: No. But here's my concern. My concern -- and I have recommended, listen, when I did the hostage crisis fail, one of the reasons Jimmy Carter being an engineer just had one source of information. You've got one source of information from the apparatus.

They had horrible group think. And they made ethic, fundamental bad decisions, that led to a catastrophe. And really hurt America from decades afterwards.

And part of his failed presidency. What did President Reagan do when he first got in? Bill Casey and people -- pretty street smart, savvy people. And said, we need to set up an end date. We can't just rely on the apparatuses, given particular to the fact that they were quite critical to Nixon and Kissinger and (inaudible) everything. Remember, this plan was eventually to take us down an evil empire.

How did that start? It started with the team lead. That you first have a -- you go through the analysis, just like you go to a doctor, to get a second opinion.

It's the old measure twice, and cut once.

And I think -- I think President Trump is not being manipulated. I'm just not so sure, that all the information that's coming to him is the information -- like I said, let's see where the -- I may be wrong.

But I would like -- it's -- Trump -- John Ratcliff and the CIA. Excuse me. Come for -- whatever this emergency -- this emergency, that we will break out, have a bomb. Have a weapon against us. Of course, listen.

The mullahs and the ayatollah are a bad guy. The rumor -- can talk about a guy, who was shot in the back.

GLENN: Right.

STEVE: He deserves to be taken. These guys are as bad as you get.

GLENN: So --

STEVE: But once you get into regime change -- we're noninterventionist for a reason.

GLENN: Right.

How Somalis in Minnesota are FUNNELING Tax Dollars to Terror Groups

Minnesota is facing what may be the largest welfare fraud scheme in American history. Christopher Rufo joins Glenn Beck to expose how Somali-run networks siphoned hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds through fake child-care and food programs, money that federal officials say was funneled through Somalia’s Hawala system, where Al-Shabaab takes its cut. Rufo reveals how state leaders protected these networks, how political incentives and “suicidal empathy” blinded Minnesota’s institutions, and why the corruption spreading through the welfare system is far more widespread than anyone wants to admit. This is not just a crime story... It’s a warning about immigration policy, cultural incompatibility, and the collapse of accountability in modern liberal states.

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GLENN: So I first ran into Chris Rufo, oh, I don't even know how many lifetimes ago. He was working for the city journal. And he was starting to uncover things. And he started to do investigations on things he cared about. And all of a sudden, he's one of the best investigative reporters out there.

Extraordinarily credible.

Right almost every single time.

And he is joining us, at the Blaze. He is the host now of his own TV show. Rufo and Lomez.

And he is the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago. About the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group. Al-Shabaab. I don't know. Is that a problem?

Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax. Am I more outraged than the people of Minnesota?

I mean, I know there's origins up there. So Norwegians are like, yeah, sure. I mean, you know, they don't seem to get very excited about. And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else. They're very big heart. Blah, blah, blah. And they don't seem to -- you know, Swedish, Norwegian, you know. But is there any point where they're outraged? Is there any point where they're like, you know what, this socialization thing is good, but not like this? This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this. I mean, you have a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers. A billion.

Is -- and I don't hear anything from the people of -- I mean, if you're -- if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money -- you knew was being taken away from children who need food, they were faking all kinds of health issues for other children, and so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group. Wouldn't you be kind of pissed?

Because I know I would be.

Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think. If it was my state. I don't think the governor would be in the governor's office. But maybe that's just had he. Christopher Rufo joins me now.

Chris, we were just talking about -- thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things you have exposed over the years. Thank you for doing all of the hard work, and being credible the whole time.

It doesn't -- am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis? Because they don't seem to have a problem with it. Is it just me?

JASON: It's even more bizarre, actually. You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about. Which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted, or asylum, refugee status into the United States. Has now systematically looted the Treasury of the state of Minnesota. But Minnesota politicians are also outraged, but they're outraged that we notice this.

And that we've called this out. And that we're saying, this is not okay. So you have the mayor of Minneapolis, speaking in Somali, saying that he will do whatever he can.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CHRIS: Do whatever he can to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.

And, I mean, find this borderline suicidal. And the Scandinavian. Kind of the Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota, is just being statistically exploited. And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.

GLENN: Yeah. I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in -- you know, in -- in Minnesota.

It's just -- they take the kindness and the socialized everything. And they just absolutely abuse it, until there is nothing left.

And, you know, I don't -- let me ask the question.

And I want to be really careful here. Because I -- and I know you're not.

Nobody is reasonably saying this. That all Somalis just want to rip us off. Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia, because it is an absolutely corrupt system.

And now, our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia. And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia and Minnesota is for that.

But when you -- when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.

It is so rife with corruption. Is this something that is being imported, or is this just a handful of bad guys?

CHRIS: Well, it's a little bit of both. And as you said, we have to be careful and precise as we think about it. What's happening, obviously, not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.

GLENN: Correct.

CHRIS: But it's true that many, many, many, many -- an extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes, prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated. And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases hundreds of families. And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population. But the -- the point is this: Related to immigration. We always have had an immigration system that makes group level analysis.

And so small ease, for example, for many decades, now, have been given special privileges, in America's immigration system.

You have special status for asylum, for refugee programs. And so we have rewarded Somalis on the basis of -- of a group identity.

And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey. Wait a minute.

We can't take everyone from around the world. We have to prioritize by group.

We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.

And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals. They're coming as a community. And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people. Wonderful Somalis.

The incredible Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali.
Incredible woman.

GLENN: Incredible.

CHRIS: But the fact is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States, and they are just fundamentally incompatible. That's the brass tacks. The bottom line. The end of the story.

And -- and what I was looking for and hoping for, was that Somali leaders would stand up and say, what's happening in our community is wrong.
We're going to work with. We're going to work with law enforcement to stamp out this corruption within our own house. But instead, they have gone just the opposite. They are promising that members of their communities. No criticism. And should operate with impunity.

GLENN: Tim Walz and even the mayor. How do they survive this?

CHRIS: Here's -- here's the actual, sad truth. I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians. But there's something about liberal culture, where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, you know, theft, can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad. And as a form of penance or -- or -- or kind of self-flagellation. We have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes. And so I'm actually pessimistic, and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up. And command that this corruption stop.

GLENN: You know, I remember Michele Bachmann came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe '9. And she sat me down and she said, Glenn, you have to pay attention to what's happening to my State Department, in Minnesota.

And I said, what do you mean?

She said, they're moving whole communities into Minnesota. And she's like -- and I said, communities. What do you mean?

She said, Somalis.

And I'm like, why would they be moving to Minnesota? What?

You miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year? And she said, no. She said, it is the State Department.

It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota, and moved people in as a communist community.

Was this -- was this done. I mean, I'm having a hard time separating.

Like USAID.

I know what that is. We all know what that is. This is corruption. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

Is this incompetence, just corruption?

Is there planning involved in this.

Is this, you know, I hate America so much.

Cloward and Piven.

What is this?

GLENN: So there are two arguments that have been floated to answer, this an attempt to answer this question.

The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power. And by importing dependent foreign groups into the -- into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes. In exchange for patronaging. Or in this case, corruption.

And that is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power. The other hypothesis. And I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis. Is that this is just simple, liberal, naivete. And a kind of suicidal empathy, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

They judge on inputs rather than outputs. And for them, the measure is how compassionate they can be.

And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles. You know, it might be a combination of the two. But I don't -- you know, again, barring evidence that emerges, I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

GLENN: How do we know for sure that money went to Al-Shabaab?

CHRIS: Great question. First of all, there have been schemes over the last decade, where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up. And, in fact, it's really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America. But on a particular question of Al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey. Some of this money is getting siphoned off. And essentially taxed by the Al-Shabaab terror network. Once it leaves the United States. And goes into the Somali informal banking system. But this is really not in dispute. Even a left-evening group like the foundation for domestic democracy has long noted that Al-Shabaab skins almost all remittance that travel through the country of Somalia.

And, therefore, it stands to reason, if -- if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali, through the remittence system, and Al-Shabaab is taking their cut. We're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional, that the end result is the same. Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and routed through their network.

STU: So how is this stopped?

Because I don't think anything in Minnesota will happen. How's this stop?

It feels honestly. Know better than I do. It feels like the tip of the iceberg. I mean, today, the story from the GAO on Obamacare. That's completely out of control. USAID. This is happening.

I mean, tip of the iceberg. How do we stop this, if our politicians won't do anything in the states?

CHRIS: Well, there's two things that we can do. I think first off, in this particular case. Federal prosecutors have done a great job, uncovering these Somali fraud rings. And implementing prosecutions. And so they really deserved enormous credit.

But the federal government should do much more.

And I would recommend that Health and Human Services. And other departments at the federal level. Start all payments to Minnesota. Until they have a third party audit. Until they get their fraud under control.

And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money, if you want them to change their behavior. And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud. Will help clean things up fairly quickly.

The reality is, we have a system in the United States. Where it's always a third party payer.

Health insurance, welfare programs. Food stamps, autism services.

Whatever it might be. These are massive third person payer programs. The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules. And they become easy targets for fraudsters.

And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS: And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.

And it is, by all accounts. From all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest statistic welfare fraud scheme, in American history.

The Disturbing RISE of Islam in America | Glenn Beck & Allie Beth Stuckey SOUND the Alarm

America is witnessing cultural changes at a pace few expected, and even fewer are willing to talk about. Glenn Beck and Allie Beth Stuckey expose the growing concern among everyday Americans, especially mothers, as mosques replace churches, schools switch to halal-only menus, neighborhoods lose Christmas traditions, and crime spikes in communities transformed by rapid Islamic immigration. While politicians look away for the sake of power, ordinary families feel silenced, shamed, and increasingly unsafe. Glenn and Allie reveal how secularism failed to hold the line, how progressive politics weaponized empathy, and why many believe the West is approaching a cultural and spiritual breaking point.

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GLENN: It's amazing to me how this -- the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the west, how quickly it is spreading, and how quickly people are waking up.

I don't know about the politicians. But the average person is really starting to wake up to this. Don't you think?

ALLIE: Absolutely. And, of course, you have been warning about this for years. But I think a lot of people are just seeing it infiltrate their neighborhoods.

There's mosques, where there used to be churches. And office buildings. There are people wearing hijabs. At their elementary schools. Middle school.

People celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah around this. And you're told that you're not allowed to notice this.

And you're certainly not allowed to care about this.

There's no such thing as American culture.

You can't care about sharing the celebrations with your neighbors.

But people do care.

It's very unsettling. And a lot of people are just finding the words and the courage to say something about it.

GLENN: You know, I don't have a problem with, you know, Halal, or kosher, or anything.

I don't have a problem.

But I do have a problem that my kid's school now has to only serve Halal food.

So wait a minute.

What. What's up with that?

And that's happening all over Texas. Where Halal is your choice now.

And I just --

ALLIE: Right. Can we have a conversation about this, please?

I think what most people just want. Can we at least have a conversation about what's happening in our country?

ALLIE: Right. You know, I asked my Instagram followers. Vast majority are women. Probably 85 percent stay-at-home moms. And when I asked this question -- my followers were about 850,000 on Instagram. And I just said. Totally open-ended. Wasn't looking for a particular answer.

Hey, what is your biggest concern with America right now?

I was just trying to come up with topics for my show. The number one answer over and over and over again was the spread of Islamic dominance, where they are living, in America, in the West. This is very destabilizing for a lot of people. And they're seeing it, not just affect people far off like we used to. But affect their own neighborhoods and their own schools. And so, you know, usually politicians kind of take a while to wake up to what the populace is really scared of.

We have seen some good action in Texas for sure. But this is a real problem. And it's not just an illegal immigration problem. That's the uncomfortable part of it. This is a cultural issue. This is an immigration issue in general.

So we need the people in Washington and in Austin, to come up with the solutions for the people who are concerned about this.

GLENN: So you said that your audience is concerned because it affects them.

How does it affect them?

ALLIE: Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places maybe in their own cities. Certainly in places where Islam has to me natured. When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan.

When we look at our friends across the pond. That sexual crimes. Violent crimes. All increase, disproportionately when there is a large-scale importation of people from these Muslim majority countries. It doesn't mean they're all like that.

It doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors.

But this is not only a cultural change. This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebration and things like that.

But this also is potentially a threat to their own safety. Especially the safety of their daughters.

And people care about that.

GLENN: I was talking to somebody who was doing a posts with somebody over in London.

Yesterday. And he was talking about this. And I said, you know, I -- I -- I'm not -- you know, I don't follow the news all the time.

You know, closely like I do in America.

About, you know, the United Kingdom. But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland. And when you think about Ireland. You think of a very Catholic country.

You know, or a Protestant. A very Christian country.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: And they fought wars over their own Christianity.

It is almost completely gone now.

You have to go to the way, way outskirts. You know, the northern part of the island, to find that kind of community. The Irish have almost been completely wiped out.

There's very few churches left. They're all being converted into mosques. And, you know, okay. Well, it passes. Et cetera, et cetera.

But to not notice, and not say, wait a minute.

That is the erasing of an entire people and their culture. And that culture is very important to the West.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: Should we not care about that?

ALLIE: Right. Well, certainly progressives care about it, when it comes to, you know, non-British. Non-British countries. Or countries that are not America.

They call that colonialism. They call that imperialism.

But apparently, when Muslims do this, it's fine. But the problem was not for Islam. The problem was secularization. The lesson there is that secularism doesn't whole. Atheism -- agnosticism don't hold.

People are looking for meaning. And eventually, ideology in one religion will win.

And right now, Islam and a lot of countries is winning.

GLENN: Yeah. You know, you wrote a book on toxic empathy.

And I think it's a mistake on this one to say, it is empathy that we have gone down the road.

I think this is -- especially if you look in Minnesota.

They turned a blind eye to what's going on in -- in Minnesota.

And I -- I'll bet you in Michigan as well.

Because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side. You're not going to be elected governor.

You're not going to be mayor. So it's not empathy. It's all politics. Which makes it even more grotesque.

But when I see us turning a blind eye to it. We're now entering the time of suicide. And those who are in power, are the -- the doctors engaging in medical assisted suicide for their country.

They know what they're doing at this point. They're just choosing their power, and hold on to their power for as long as they can.

Do you think toxic empathy at this point is still playing a role in this Islamic, you know, hostile, political takeover?

ALLIE: Yeah, I absolutely do. Now, do I think that's the case for Tim Walz or any of these? You know, probably not.

It's probably power. It's fear, as you said.

But for the average person, especially for the woman. Especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is.

Then, yeah. I do think people are more scared of Islamophobia. Or being called an Islamophobe. When they see the Islamification of their neighborhood. In fact, I think that they think their virtue is tied to how much they like Halal.

And how much they accept the -- the building of mosques around their neighborhood.

And so I do think people feel so strongly, that being exclusive or intolerant, in any way, is a sign of being a bad person.

That they won't speak up.

Because the media social incentives for speaking up against Islam, or against policies. Or anything.

It just, it doesn't exist.

The social incentives in the immediate is to be as progressive as possible.

People respond to incentives. So I think that's a big part of what's going on.

GLENN: Love to hear your comments on Trump over the holiday.

Tweeted out, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people.

Most of which are on welfare. From failed nations or from prisons. Mental institutions. Gangs or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who because of beautiful hearts do not want to openly complain or cause any trouble in any way, shape, or form. They have put up with what's been happening to our country. But it's eating them alive to do so.

Wow. That's not very empathetic, is it?

ALLIE: Right. That's exactly what he's talking about is toxic empathy. He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us. The problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem. But now it's becoming a problem. For conservatives, we're thinking individually.

We're thinking about our family. And we're thinking, okay. Whatever. Just take my taxes. Do what you have to do. I will keep my head down.

I will work hard. I will move further outside the city. I am going to homeschool.

All of this, and kind of be a recluse, as long as my family is safe. As long as I can make money. As long as things are okay here, then I'll be fine.

Well, progressives for the most part, don't think that way.

They think collectively. They are looking to build a coalition. We are just thinking about our family. And about our immediate future. In our local community.

And that's not really a fair fight, when you have someone who is thinking in the big sense of what we're thinking.

And so he's absolutely right. And that is one weakness that we Christians and conservatives have, even if we're right in thinking that way.

It's hurting us now, especially in ideology, in Islam, that means submission. They're looking to conquer. And conservatives in general, we just haven't been thinking that way.

GLENN: I was talking to Jack (inaudible) from the United Kingdom, and I said, how close are you guys to Civil War?

I mean, I see what's going on. And, you know, collapse. And it's bad.

And he said, I think it's beyond saving, except for God.

What came to mind was, yeah. I agree with that. Except, you've become a godless country. I mean, the Church of England just raised the Islamic flag over the Church of England last week.

What God is there?

He said that there was a resurgence of faith, which would be great.

But how do we fix this, Allie?

ALLIE: Gosh, I pray to the Lord, that that is true. That there is some kind of revival that we don't see. It's important to know that God works -- it's not always a headline. It doesn't always go viral.

It seems he's doing one thing. He's actually doing a million things in unseen and unsung words, such as faithful believers, that may not have radio shows, their podcasts, but they are doing God's word.

And so I pray to the Lord, that that is true. I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than another ideology raising its flag over your territory. That is literally a sign that you have been conquered. But God. But God can do anything.

We can pray. He works through the prayer of believers.

He works through the obedience of believers. The boldness of evangelism of believers. We can't all change the world.

But we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it for the glory of God.

To share the gospel. And to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy. That is the responsibility of a Christian.

That is how God has moved mountains for over 2,000 years, and I think he will continue to.

GLENN: Allie Beth, thank you. God bless you.

ALLIE: Thank you very much.

GLENN: You bet.

How a Recent Conversation at Mar-a-Lago moved Glenn Beck to His Core

A deeply emotional conversation at Mar-a-Lago left Glenn Beck shaken, echoing the same chilling feeling he first experienced years ago during a private discussion with Charlie Kirk — long before Charlie’s recent assassination. As Glenn recounts his talk with Dave Rubin about danger, spiritual warfare, and the future of America, he warns that we are entering a moment where good and evil are unmistakably visible. From the overwhelming sense of divine presence at Charlie’s funeral to the rising chaos Glenn believes is driven by darker forces, this time feels less like politics and more like history unfolding in real time. The question now is simple but urgent: in a world losing its mind, which side will you choose — truth and light, or confusion and darkness?

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GLENN: So yesterday, I -- I -- I posted this when I got home. A picture my wife took of Dave and I.

We were kind of backstage at Mar-a-Lago. And we sat there for probably half an hour. And had a really honest conversation about what's happening in the world.

What's coming our way. And, you know, some things that are just concerning to both of us.

And I'm not going to get into all the details. Because I don't have permission to tell you everything that Dave said. I did ask him last night, if I could share some of this with you.

You know, he is -- he is Jewish. He's gay. He's married.

And he has two adopted children.

I mean, what else could -- leper? What else box could you check that would make you less popular in what the world that we're seeing come our way?

And he's a reasonable guy. He's a really reasonable guy. And, you know, when we talked years ago, when he was adopted. He was on the show. And he was like, Glenn. I've got to tell you. I've changed so much.

I don't -- I don't know how to justify -- because I know that it's best to have kids with a mom and a dad. And I believe in that. And I -- you know, I just don't know what to say. He was a guy in conflict when it happened. He's not in conflict now. He loves his children. Loves his children. And they're in a very stable home.

He would tell you not the ideal home. Because that would be a mom and a dad. But a great home.

And he said, I am finding myself in a situation to where, I mean, I just don't know what's coming.

And we talked about it. And I shared with him some things that I thought were coming.

Exactly what I did and I didn't realize it, at the time, until I walked away.

Exactly the way I did with Charlie Kirk.

When Charlie came to me in 2018, 2019, and he said, you've always been ahead of the curve. What's coming next.

And I said, well, I mean, if you just study history, Charlie. There's really two things that are left. One, is assassinations. And the second is war. And he talked about Donald Trump and that -- that they would try to assassinate. And I said, yeah. Honestly, Charlie. I think you and me are on that list too.

I said, one of us could go down in this as well.

We'll be targets as well. And we stood there. And I've told this story a million times. We stood there on the balcony of this hotel.

And we just looked over the ocean for a while. And we were both quiet.

And I think he said, one of us said, I can't believe we're having this conversation, and the other one said, I know. It's like we're in a movie, right? It's not real.

And lo and behold, just a couple years after, a few years later, Charlie is assassinated. David and I were having a conversation, and I said, Dave, I hope I'm wrong. But this is the way things could shape up.

And we talked about it for a while. And just as I was getting ready to walk away, he said, I can't believe we're having this conversation.

It's like we're in a movie. And I said, yeah. I -- I know that feeling. And then I walked away.

And when I got to my wife's side, I said, I'm sorry, I'm just really freaked out because of what Dave said to me.

Because of the last time somebody said that to me was Charlie.

We are living in extraordinary times. Extraordinary times. And we are seeing for the first time, we're seeing good and evil.

We are! We're -- we're seeing -- and in ways we've never seen before. You know, when the assassin tried to kill Charlie, he thought, there would be an equal and opposite reaction to that act.

And it would be that people would either side with him. Or they would rise up and they would start killing, you know, the left. And we would -- we would go into that Civil War thing.

But that's not what happened. An opposite action happened, as a reaction.

But it was not equal.

It was so far beyond equal.

That it was -- that it was clearly divine.

1.5 million people around the world watched. I'm sorry. 1.5 billion people watched that Charlie Kirk funeral. And that Charlie Kirk funeral happened, and if you were there, I don't know if you could feel it while watching it. I -- I imagine you could. But I'm telling you in the room, I've never felt anything like it.

You could feel the spirit there. I mean, it was like God was there. And every time somebody got up and started speaking about politics, you could feel the spirit withdraw. And then they would start talking about, you know, universal principles.

And the spirit would come back to the room.
It was amazing. And I wasn't just the only one feeling it. I had people around me. Elon Musk was two rose behind me.

Everyone around me were talking about, are you all feeling that?

This is amazing.

That was God! Showing up.

So the unequal, but opposite reaction was God working a miracle.

The only way I can understand what's happening, in our world today, where we have gone insane.

We've gone insane.

People that I know have lost their minds. We can't -- suddenly, we can't have conversations about things that have been settled for a very long time.

And suddenly, you're -- you have to be an enemy. That's why, when I talk about these things, I don't want to single out anybody. Because I'm not going to make this personal. I'm not going to make this personal.

I want to make this about the facts. Because the minute we make this personal, then we're immediately enemies of one another. And I don't -- there's one enemy, and it's the author of chaos. And that's who I fight.

God shows up. Now, what's the equal and opposite reaction? Because every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I really believe Satan showed up.

God shows up. We have this resurgence of faith, this explosion. And then Satan shows up.

And all of a sudden, we're talking about insane things. Like, all of a sudden, you know, Jews rule the world. And -- and I hate Israel. And, you know, it's insanity. Insane stuff that we've always known was insane.

We're watching for the first time. We're watching the big boys play.

And we are pawns.

You just have to -- you just have to make sure you're on the right side of the board.

You know, who -- who are you a tool?

Whose hand are you in?

You on the good side, or the dark side?

Because you have to make that decision right now. And the way to make that decision is just to remember what you've always known to be true.

What is true?

When you know those things and you stay anchored in those things, it's going to be okay.

But if it feels like we're living in a movie, in some ways, we are. It just hasn't been made yet. But believe me, there will be movies made about this time.

And about people that you may know. There will be movies made.

How that is portrayed in the end, I'm not sure. But I do know that every time in human history, every time this road has been traveled. There is a winning side.

And the other side destroys itself and its civilization.

So to me, it's pretty clear. But it's for each of us to find.

Just do it peacefully. Make no enemies. Make no enemies.

I remember one time, we were in the throes of just real attacks. On every front.

And I thought, my whole world was coming apart. And it didn't matter what I did. What I said. Where I was. It didn't matter. Just attack, attack, attack, attack.

And I asked the Lord in prayer, you know, help me.

Help me. How do I defeat these enemies?

And once in a while, once if had a great while, I'll feel like he -- that I almost hear him.

And I don't know how to describe it. It's -- it's like I hear the words. But not hear the words. You know, I just know what he's saying.

And sometimes, it's so clear. It's jaw-dropping. And I remember in prayer, and I'm talking about, how do I defeat these enemies, et cetera, et cetera?

And it was so clear. And what I heard was, firmly, stop. These are not enemies of yours. They are enemies of mine.

These are my rights.

And I will solve the problem with my enemies.

You do the right thing.

Okay.

So I don't want to make any more enemies.

Because they're not enemies of mine.

They're his -- his enemies.

Anybody who is standing against the rights of all men, anyone who is standing against the Bill of Rights, the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. They're not my enemy.

I mean, I view them that way. But they're ultimately his enemy.

I need to remain on his side. That's all I need to do. Remain on his side. And when he tells me to act and tells me what to do, I will do it. And so far, all I know, is make no more enemies.

Just speak the truth plainly. Clearly.

Just keep saying the truth. The things that you have always known that are universally true.

I'll take care of the rest.

WAKE UP: The Islamist Takeover of America Is HALFWAY Complete | Glenn TV | Ep 472

Islamism is advancing inside the U.S. through Minnesota’s massive welfare fraud tied to Al-Shabaab, Sharia-style tribunals in Texas, Muslim Brotherhood campus networks, and failed immigration vetting that led to a CIA-trained Afghan migrant killing a National Guardsman. Glenn Beck ties these stories to the Muslim Brotherhood's 100-year plan to conquer the West, which is reportedly halfway complete. Europe has already lived through this collapse. British writer and podcaster Peter McIlvenna joins to reveal the parallels between Britain and what he saw while visiting Texas, and he reacts to Gov. Greg Abbott and President Trump cracking down on the Muslim Brotherhood.