Much of the credit for Donald Trump’s 2024 presidential victory should go to Turning Point USA founder and CEO ‪@RealCharlieKirk‬, Glenn says. The Left has dominated get-out-the-vote efforts for years. But in 2024, Charlie Kirk was able to beat them at their own game. Charlie joins Glenn to explain his winning strategy and why he believes Trump would have lost states like Wisconsin if they hadn’t targeted new voters so intensely. Glenn and Charlie also discuss how “this was the election of the podcast.”

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GLENN: All right. The first person we have to thank, or the first thing that we have to thank is God.

God worked miracles in this country, this last week.

And we would be remiss and really poor children, if we didn't recognize his hand in this election.

It is incredible, what has happened.

I told you before, I've -- I can find a million ways, this thing flies apart. But there's only one way, we hold it together.

And that's God.

And I think we've all witnessed that. Now, on the human level, one of the guys who I don't think has gotten enough credit yet, but will get all the credit he deserves.

Is Charlie Kirk.

Charlie started something called Turning Point USA. I know you know of it. To have

He is the host and founder of -- the founder and CEO of turning point. Also, the host of the Charlie Kirk show.

But this guy, I don't know what we would have done without you, Charlie.

I mean, you really turned the vote out. Thank you.

CHARLIE: Well, Glenn, first of all, you said it correctly. Glory be to God. We were a couple millimeters to the entire country going to bedlam. You so perfectly said, throughout the entire campaign, I have this -- the spirit of paranoia, are we really going to do this? Are they going to come up another sneak attack? Are they going to do another COVID? And every corner and every turn. So glory be to God. God is not done with this land.

GLENN: That's true.

CHARLIE: And second, I wish I could take credit for this. But it's American people. And I know it sounds cliche and I know it sounds generic. But the American people stood the most intense propaganda political hurricane of American history. There's never been anything like it. It was worse than 2020. It was worse than 2016. Calling us Nazis and fascists. And, you know, saying that Donald Trump was going to -- you know, put people in camps and all that.

The American people weighed their options, despite Kamala Harris spending Donald Trump three to one, and made the right choice.

Look, we played a small role. And we did it in two ways. We said, on this election, we want to try to lose by less with younger voters.

And then we will create the most sophisticated, low propensity, get out the vote, turnout machine in -- in modern political history for the right.

And here was our series of cases.

First, on the get out the vote.

Which is that we believed that there were millions of people that were Trump supporters. That were not Trump voters. The people that would say, yay, Trump! And they would be with them.

But they weren't putting a ballot in the box.

They weren't casting a vote.

We tested the theory of the case.

When I started to go to Trump rallies. And I would ask people, and I would take a lot of selfies with people who are super nice and they love the country. And one out of 30 people, I would say, hey. Are you ready for the vote?

And they would say, oh, yeah. I think so.

I would get this kind of, you know, half answer.

And so I went back to my team. I said, guys, I think there's a lot more in this reservoir than we realize.

And so we compared with the data. With the Trump campaign. Which we were allowed to do, thanks to an FEC ruling back in the spring.

And we said, guys, let's beat the left at their own it became.

Let's engage in early voting. Even though it's a flawed system, in a way that's never been done before.

Because, again, there's actually more days to get low likely voters to go vote. If you have 30 days, you can then get someone who is not as easy to persuade the vote, because then you can get five or six touches on them.

We hired well over 1,000 full-time people into the greatest ground force that's ever done.

We raised tens of millions of dollars. Praise God from our donors. And we pitched them on this thing, saying, hey. The road to the White House will be going through these states.

We know that. We will be the first registered voters build relationships and communities. And then drive a turnout machine over a 30-day period to get Donald Trump across the finished line.

And the states we primarily focused on was Arizona and Wisconsin.

We spent work of course in Pennsylvania, in Georgia, but in really, Arizona, Wisconsin.

And in Wisconsin, I can tell you, that if it wasn't for our effort. Donald Trump would have fallen short.

We chased in excess of over 70,000 low propensity voters in Wisconsin. Donald Trump won by 28,000 votes.

Here in Arizona, as we are speaking, we still have 850,000 votes still to count. We realize it could take at least 90 days to count our ballots here. It's a joke. It's really something else.

GLENN: I know it is. I know it is.

CHARLIE: But by St. Patrick's, we'll find out who won that race in Arizona.

But Kari Lake is down 44,000 votes here in Arizona, and she might -- she might fall 10,000 votes short, or win by ten thousand votes.

But thanks to our effort and the team, we closed an eight-point polling gap for Kari Lake.

And so, look, basically what we did, we took this movement that Donald Trump created, that Donald Trump led, and we added machinery to the movement.

And we were able to successfully turn Trump supporters into Trump voters.

GLENN: You know, Charlie, I've been -- you know, obviously looking at this, forever.

And we've never had a G.O.P. that could get out of its own way.

We've never had one that was competent.

We never had a plan other than, hey. We're just better.

And we -- we lost it. Every time. Because we were either stupid. Or we just couldn't get out of our own way. And get people to the polls.

This time around, I felt real confidence, that the G.O.P. had these issues covered, at the polling places.

That it was going to be secure. That if it wasn't, they had the attorneys, and they had he have been of else out there.

Just like the Democrats do, and we were going to catch the bad guys, if the bad guys showed up.

So we had that confidence. And we also had confidence because of what we were doing. That we were going after the -- the low propensity voter.

That we -- you know, I've said for years. Hey, somebody should get a bus, like they do.

And put people on a bus, and take them to the polls.

Somebody should do this.

CHARLIE: Oh, we did that.

GLENN: I know you did. I know you did. And that made all the difference in the world.

CHARLIE: Well, thank you, Glenn. And let me say one thing. Which, again, our theory of the case was that okay. The RNC would limit some of the shenanigans. Which, by the way, we didn't completely eliminate. Without that, we would have Senator Mike Lee from Wisconsin.

But one of the ways to offset the shenanigans and the tomfoolery, is you outnumber there.

And so you have so many ballots in the volume of the system. That, you know, their midnight drops in Milwaukee are just not going to be sufficient. And it turns out, that that was a correct way of looking at it. And I want to say, one other thing, though. This was very, very difficult work, and your team deserves enormous credit.

Not just the full-time staff. You'll love this, Glenn.

We do this thing called commit 100.

Where we say, hey, if you're across the country. And you're tired of listening to talk radio and watching TV and seeing your country fall apart.

If you will be able to fly yourself to Arizona, we'll put you up in a hotel room for a week or two.

And we will give you the mobile technology to go chase ballots. We have over 2,000 people from across the country, that were working neighborhoods in Arizona to go chase ballots.

2,000 volunteers from across the country. On top of, in Arizona, our 600 full-time people, on the ground

So we blanketed the state. And Arizona, again, it's my passion.

It's that that is performing of the seven battleground states, and we're still counting votes.

It's the greatest swing of any battleground states in 2020.

And it should give your audience a lot of renewed confidence.

Is that we are catching up to how the left has gamified our elections.

They turn it into a game. Who can get the most amount of pieces of paper in the box? And we were -- we're still dealing in an antiquated mindset, where we believe that elections were just about worldview and values and issues. Back in, like, 2004.

The left, they changed all the rules. And that made them permanent in COVID. And between 2022 and especially in 2024, we learned the rules. We caught up. And then we beat them at their own with game. And that is what is so promising and encouraging. That we were able to add this machinery, to a once in a generation movement. And I will add one other thing. Is that some people were saying, it was a landslide.

It was. However, Glenn, we're talking about Donald Trump. The final canvases will come out. He won Wisconsin by 30,000 votes.

Pennsylvania, one point. Michigan, point and a half.

Without the turnout operation, without the voter integrity operation, the Trump campaign, and the RNC, you could make an argument -- and also, the second layer is that we did 25 points better with younger voters.

We won the youth vote in Michigan. We almost won -- yeah. Go ahead.

GLENN: What do you attribute that to, other than, you know, your work. And the work of others?

Do me a favor do you -- how much do you put into Elon Musk, RFK, Joe Rogan? Theo Von? Yeah.

CHARLIE: Yeah. First of all, Elon Musk is an American hero. And that guy is the best of America, who decided to just put everything on the line, for his country.

And I can't say enough good things about him. And, by the way, President Trump deserves so much credit for doing this long form podcast. This was the year -- this was the election of the podcast. And Democrats were unbelievable.

GLENN: This is the end of the -- I said this the week before he went on Joe Rogan. I said, you watch. He'll go on Joe Rogan. 100 million people. And it will be the end of the mainstream ahead.

This will -- this will show everybody for 2028, there's no reason to do a debate on ABC.

There's no reason to do an interview with CBS.

Why? Why would you do that?

Everything changed, this time.

CHARLIE: That's exactly right.

And I attribute a lot to that. And in addition, Donald Trump was able to -- he was able to sit for three hours, with no notes and go deep on the issues and have a total command of the subjects.

GLENN: I know. I know.

CHARLIE: Here is the new standard though, and Democrats have to know this.

You will never win another presidential election, if you nominate another candidate who is unable to do long form podcasting.

People won't trust you. End of story. And if you do not have a candidate, who can go deep and that can think on their feet and have memory recall and be personable and charming and affable, the American people will reject that. Long gone are the days of 7-minute, 60-minute interviews, right?

Or, you know, ten-minute Meet The Press, where you have five questions, and they're prepared.

Now, you have to earn the vote. Because people are going to listen to you for three hours and see your tone and inflection. And whether you mean it.

And so Donald Trump excelled in that. And Joe Rogan deserves such credit for having the platform, and to his credit as well, he was very fair. He wanted to broker a fair deal where Kamala was invited and Donald Trump. The other thing I will say though.

And I think you will appreciate this, Glenn. With younger voters.

Is that there was that pent-up rebellion energy, amongst young Gen Zers for how they were treated during COVID.

During COVID, they had their proms cancelled. Their graduation. Summer classes. A lot of their friends committed suicide.

They were part of this generation that was hyper propagandized by the left wing woke stuff during the summer of Floyd.

And they realized that it was lies. And that it was misrepresentations, and then they get their news from podcasting. And podcasting comes out, talking about how great Donald Trump was and how awful Kamala was, because that was the right framing. And the generation started to tilt right.

And so -- what was so remarkable, is that Democrats, they didn't see this coming.

They were so confident.

They were so cocky. That younger voters were going to continue to support them.

Again, you could make the argument.

If it was for the mass movement of younger voters in some of these states.

Donald Trump might not have won. And, again, the Sunbelt was a separate story.

We did very well in the Sunbelt, 4 or 5-point margins.

But the Rest Belt was one and a half, 1-point margins. We're talking about 30,000 votes here. So all of these things add up, in a very significant way.

And it also should give your audience such hope.

There's almost no documented case of a generation that becomes more liberal, as they get older.

So the fact that this generation is the most conservative voting generation since 1988. That means that the future is only going to get redder.

It's only going to become more conservative, as they own property and get married and have children.

So our starting point is the best starting point for our political movement since Ronald Reagan.

And credit to Donald Trump. And please, sorry.

GLENN: And I think that it is only going to grow from here, if Donald Trump can tick off the things that are on his list to do.

GLENN: So, Charlie, we were talking about what -- you know, why Trump won. Why did Kamala lose?

CHARLIE: Well, that's interesting. And, again, I will say, the narrative should be that Trump won more than she lost. However, she was unable to do the basic, as we said, long form podcasting. She misread the room. And I think the interesting story that should be explored is, where did all the money go? The most funded campaign in history. A billion dollars.

Now, $20 million in debt.

And I have a personal axe to grind here.

Because, you know, we were one of the groups that the media was setting up to fail. Okay? Let's just be honest. There were so many articles written in the last couple of months. Trump team takes big risk outsourcing GOTV to Turning Point and Elon Musk.

You probably saw the stories, right, Glenn? It was every major outlet.

GLENN: Oh, yeah, I did.

CHARLIE: And they were setting us up to fail, and we would get on the phones with these reporters. And we would say, hey, we're doing real things.

Maybe you guys should be more nuanced. And they said, well, the Kamala team has the most sophisticated get out vote operation ever, and their ground game. And they're knocking on tens of millions of doors, and we would tell them. And this was true. I said, never conflate results and activity.

The Kamala team was doing a lot of activity. But they weren't producing results. So the Kamala ground game was completely overrated.

Somebody made a lot of money, and misled a lot of people, and a lot of Democratic donors.

So let's just be honest on the issues. Let's just also on the issues though.

Is that Kamala Harris and the entire regime, they were trying to continue to occupy a country that they resent.

And that, as a basic operating formula, is almost an impossible way to hold on to political power.

You can't continue to govern a country when you disdain the people that you are pathed to oversee.

And, I mean, we can go one example to the other. I'm sure you cover this on your show.

But Star County, Texas. Which has not voted Republican. In over 100 years.

The most Hispanic county in America, Donald Trump won.

I mean, there was this multi-racial reckoning against the Democrat Party.

Young, old, black, Hispanic.

And finally, Kamala Harris and her entire team, they -- they -- they did everything they possibly could to not defend their own positions. But try to make it a referendum on Donald Trump.

Now, Donald Trump refuted quite a gift.

He received quite a gift. Because for the first time since Grover Cleveland, he was able to embrace the advantages of being an incumbent and the advantages of being a challenger.

So think about it. You can say, how great my record was. And how terrible the person currently in office is. If you think about that analytically, that's almost an impossible. It's impossible to beat that. Because you could be incredibly -- you could be very, very critical. So that wins you points. People like that in politics. At the same time, you can also have a sterling record to run on. So it's not just hypothetical. So Donald Trump leaned into the best of all circumstances. Being a challenger and also an incumbent. And, yeah. And also, Kamala Harris didn't have a primary. That's another thing that I said.

Don't -- when I try to implement a candidate without a primary, don't assume that all the Democrats are going to support you. I have many other thoughts on this.

GLENN: Well, I've got just about 30 seconds here, before a break. So good time to just take a breath. I do want to go back to that.

But I -- I also want to go back to Hispanics.

Because they have alienated themselves with everybody. Now, they're talking about how Hispanics are anti-black. And I've heard black are anti-Hispanics. I mean, they're just -- they're at war with themselves.

I don't know how they come back from this. But, you know, vampires, you always think are dead. But they come back.