Earlier this year, Marine Corps veteran Daniel Penny was arrested for second-degree manslaughter after putting Jordan Neely — who allegedly was threatening Subway passengers — in a chokehold. Now, Penny has been indicted by a Manhattan grand jury. The entire situation led Peachy Keenan, Contributing Editor for The American Editor, to speak about what she ‘begs’ her husband and teenage sons to do if they find themselves in a similar situation: ‘Get out of there…get away before it escalates.’ In fact, Keenan wrote in a recent op-ed that she regrets not teaching her sons earlier in life to be cowardly. She joins Glenn in this clip to explain why, for the men in her life, she’d much rather they watch the danger from afar than to get involved: ‘It’s really sad.’
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GLENN: In the Federalist, there is a great op-ed. The lessons of Jordan Neely. Your courage and sacrifice will be punished. I just want to give a few pieces of this. We have peachy keen on with us in just a second. She says, weakness is strength. Courage is hatred. In the aftermath, I tweeted strong men brave enough to intervene publicly when a deranged lunatic is terrifying people are going to be rounded up first. It's brilliant. It's a brilliant strategy for the regime.
Pick off the bravest and most selfless heroes first. Leave the cowards behind, who will all fall in line fast.
The worst is the Subway Vikings. The worst -- the Viking's fate -- the worst the Vikings fate is, the less likely any of us, the sane ones will be tempted to lift a finger, when they come for us, our friends, or our neighbors.
If the Viking gets 20 years on Riker's Island, plus a prison rate and beatings for good measure, as the guards look the other way. That will teach you boys a lesson.
She goes on to talk about in -- in this terrible, ugly, upside down zero trust society, I have been forced to raise a family. And I have developed a new survival rule.
I have instructed my husband and son, to be cowards. That's right. To do nothing if there are in a situation, where a dangerous psycho is threatening violence on a stranger.
I've begged with them to sit on their hands, to be one of the people who just watches, runs away, calls 911.
It goes against everything in their bodies. But I want them with me, not dead or in jail.
She said, I feel like I have failed as a mother, because I forgot to teach my sons to be cowards. I am hoping this is sarcasm. But Peachy Keenan is here with us. Hi, Peachy.
PEACHY: Hi, Glenn. How you are?
GLENN: I'm really good. Really good. You have a lot of fans here at the program. And also, at the Blaze. So keep it up.
PEACHY: Oh, thank you so much. Awesome. I love it.
GLENN: So tell me, I mean, you talk about in this op-ed, about your husband. He took on a guy much bigger. And this guy was bothering you, and he won the fight. And you guys got married.
PEACHY: Oh, right. Yeah. I did mention that, in that article. I think he -- he probably would rather I not bring that up.
Yeah. He did. I was in a situation like that in New York City. There was a very large, very drunk man, who was in my face, harassing me. Wouldn't leave me alone. We were outside a bar at night, you could imagine.
And my husband decided, he just acted.
And he took the guy down.
You know, he wasn't harmed that much. But, you know, he maybe got a little bloody nose.
And he left us alone. And we got out of there.
Yeah. At first, I was sort of horrified. My normal instincts.
You know, I used to be this sort of feminist. Liberal. So I was sort of horrified.
Oh, my gosh. You hurt him.
You're not supposed to do that. But then later. I kind of nursed his hand. I said, you know, that was kind of -- wow. That was very macho.
Like, okay. Yes. I will marry you.
It did sort of impress me a little bit.
This is a guy who can defend a woman. And that's in short supply these days.
GLENN: And that's what we're supposed to do.
But we have destroyed men so much, that most are not going to get up. They're not. They're going to look the other way. Hope someone else will deal with it.
And I remember after 9/11. I flew up to New York. I was on one of the first flights to New York. And there are only four of us on the plane. And one was this drunk bad guy.
And he stood up.
And he was arguing with the stewardess.
And the other two men, that were on board with me.
We got up. And walked to this guy. And the stewardess is like, no, no, no.
I've got it under control.
And we just looked at this guy, you don't sit down, we'll force you to sit down.
There was this feeling, like that's what you do.
What was his name? Todd Beamer.
Who ran and -- we don't do that now. Now we're being taught the exact opposite.
PEACHY: Yeah. I mean, for many years. You would get a plane. And, guys I know would tell me, every time I get on a plane, I'm looking around.
They're kind of ready. Just in case there was another situation. They were ready to do what they had to do to save their own lives. And to save stranger's lives.
But now you can't. Because you will be filmed.
And AOC will get the video, and she will post it, and she's going to call you a bad guy. So we live in an upside down world, where safety is -- you know, the only safety they care about now, is their constituent's safety from police.
From good guys. From good Samaritans. You know, they want to be safe from hate speech. From racism.
But your actual, physical safety. Just going about your daily life. Is no one cares.
Get pushed in front of a train. Violent psychopath a subway. Those people in a car, they made him.
People of color. You know, they said it was a situation like no other. They were so grateful he intervened.
Put, yeah. Like men can't intervene anymore.
People have been -- masculinity has been totally neutered. Literally, literally, and figuratively. Boys have been castrated.
Let's just. That's what it is.
So tell me, what is. How do you think this is going to end?
TIM: You mean with Daniel Penny? Yeah.
PEACHY: Oh, my goodness. What is it, going to a grand jury in a few months. Based on a witness statement, it seems crazy that they would --
GLENN: Even go after him.
PEACHY: Yeah. There's no evidence, he did anything racist. Obviously.
Or intended to hurt him permanently.
Or obviously, you're just this kind of freak accident.
And he felt like he had no choice. His alternative was to sit there, while this guy punched someone in the face. Who knows what he would do. No one knew. You can't predict. And he had a split second to decide. And he acted. You know, New York City is so crazy. The fact that they arrested him, after the cops let him go, shows you how crazy he was. It's all ideological.
You know, they had Jordan Neely the other guy, with Al Sharpton in the golden casket, just like I predicted. This thing is so predictable. How this will play out. Floyd II. It makes me very worried. But, you know, luckily he has, what two and a half million dollars of legal aid. So we'll have to see. But it's terrifying.
GLENN: So do you think a jury even in Manhattan, the people of his peers will be people that have run the subways.
Been on the subways recently. And the subways are terrifying right now. Terrifying.
GLENN: Do you think they would convict him?
PEACHY: Yeah, it really depends who he gets. The whole notion, the jury of your peers.
Like, that's such a myth. That's just gone.
Think of who is living in Manhattan these days.
And his only hope is people who maybe -- typical liberal -- Biden voters or whatever.
But there are people also in the real world, who are dealing with these people in the subways. And they may reject the prosecution's argument totally. But these people are real dirty. They play real dirty.
And if they -- they sort of make it about, they want to put all white people on trial.
They want to put all race -- anything racist that's ever happened, on trial. And this one guy is the fall guy.
Sort of like reverse O.J.
GLENN: But do you think this is racist? Do you think the city was afraid of the protesters?
Or do you think is this racist, or that they are sending a message to everybody, you have no choice, but to sit down and to take it?
PEACHY: Probably a little of both. But I think primarily, it's about distracting people from the real villain here. Which is the city's total neglect of their giant homeless schizophrenic population, and their complete inability to do anything about it. So this is their way of pointing the finger at the guy whose fault it is.
Whereas -- meanwhile, Penny is just another victim in all of this, and so is the -- so is Jordan Neely. And the real -- the real villain, the person who should be literally in prison, for multiple murders. Are the authorities who let this happen. Who let Michelle go get pushed in front of a train last year in New York City. Who let -- who lets women get raped and stabbed in New York City, on subways in their apartments, by men who they know about. They have long records. They just let them go. You know, these are the people -- these are the crimes that they should be held accountable. But they never will. So instead they just -- they found a convenient fall guy.
GLENN: We're talking to Peachy Keenan. She is the American editor, contributing editor, author of a book that comes out next month called Domestic Extremist.
One last question: Are you -- were you being serious about telling your husband and your son to sit down and don't do anything?
PEACHY: You know, we've had this exact discussion. It's something I live in fear of, whenever my teenage sons leave the house. They're driving around. We live in a big city. You know, God forbid, they run into the wrong person. You know, they -- they're Boy Scouts. You know, they've gone. They're almost to eagle level. Their instinct is to defend and protect. Be good.
They're Catholics. They're Christians. They're moral. And I've actually had this discussion with them. And just like, if there's a situation, that is going sideways, get out of there. Get out of there.
And my sons push back. Well, they're hurting someone. I will do something. Well, look, if it's your little sister, if it's a little kid, like yes. That's a situation where maybe you should put yourself in grave danger. But in situations between adults, like you just -- go away, before it escalates. You know, why risk the rest of your life? I mean, it's really sad. It's one of the reasons that it's scary to live in a Soros DA-run city. I mean, it's very terrifying.
GLENN: Thank you so much, Peachy. I appreciate it. We'll talk to you when your book comes out. You bet. Peachy Keenan.
That's a little terrifying, that -- and I understand that. I understand what she just said.
STU: Yeah. I know I have that same instinct at times. And my thought is always let me fight that stuff in a larger level. If you're in the middle of one of these situations, again, if you have to protect someone's life it's another story. Sometimes these situations are going sideways, and you're in a situation of risk, got to remove yourself from that risk. We'll try to remove society, at another moment. But live to fight that battle tomorrow. It's an understanding instinct from a parent, I'll tell you that.
GLENN: You remember Bernie gats?
STU: Oh, yeah.
GLENN: What mayor -- was that Ed Koch maybe?
STU: Ed Koch. I don't remember.
GLENN: I mean, it's interesting that we deal with these. Every time the city goes crazy, every time there's a Democrat that is in office, and they -- and they destroy the city, crime goes through the roof. And eventually somebody says, enough is enough.
I'm -- I'm not taking it. And Bernard Goetz Was the last time. When you had Rudy Giuliani in office, that wasn't happening.
STU: Yeah. It was Ed Koch, by the way. 1984.
GLENN: Yeah. And what did he -- did he go to jail or not?
STU: It's been so long.
GLENN: I know. I don't remember.
STU: I thought he didn't.
GLENN: That's what I thought. That's why I asked the question this time. Is the jury of his peers, will they put him in jail?
And I don't think they did. And his was pulling a gun on a guy. This one is I think even harder to send someone to jail.
STU: I'm looking back. He did serve time in prison, but for something else.
He had some other -- not -- it wasn't for the actual shootings of that day. It's a little -- I would have to read back on it. It's been a long time.
But it's one of the situations where, look, again, don't try to mug somebody on a subway.
You know, this is the best way to avoid such things.