New York Times best-selling author of "Dark Agenda: The War to Destroy Christian America" David Horowitz joins Glenn to discuss his radical socialist past, the Black Panthers, and why his ideological journey led him to a rightward evolution. Horowitz traces the history of progressives have, and are, using any means necessary to attack Christian principles and America itself.
There’s a problem with the FBI warrant given to Donald Trump before his Mar-a-Lago home was raided, Glenn says, that may make it entirely unconstitutional. The warrant seems to be, ‘pretty much,’ a general warrant for the former president’s entire house. So what is a general warrant and why does the Fourth Amendment protect AGAINST them? That answer goes all the way back to King George III and our Founding Fathers. In this clip, Glenn and Stu explain...
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GLENN: Let me ask you: What is the -- what is the problem with the warrant? Have you heard the real problem with the warrant for Donald Trump?
What are you hearing?
STU: The problem from our perspective, or the problem from --
GLENN: The constitutionally.
STU: I mean, it just seems like they -- it strikes me as basically a general warrant, right?
GLENN: What is the general warrant? Excellence.
STU: To just go search. Looking for stuff. Basically, a free pass for a fishing expedition.
GLENN: Right. You can go in, and look anywhere. And grab papers that you might think. Okay?
And that's pretty much what the warrant says. It is a general warrant for his whole house. Okay?
Any papers lying around us. You can grab them. Any boxes with papers. You know, you can look in these places. But any part of the House.
STU: And it's a big House. It's a big House.
GLENN: That's called a general warrant. And the reason why this is in our Fourth Amendment, is because this is the way the king would get his own citizens over in England. And they were outlawed in England, I think in 1600. Something like that. And they were -- they just came in to a guy's house. And started searching everything. Not for illegal papers. Just papers. And he's like, I -- I wasn't committing a crime. You guys came in, and you're just doing a general warrant. You cannot do it. And it's where the castle doctrine actually started. A man's home is his castle, okay? Well, the king was doing that to us. This is, according to John Adams, the spark that lit the revolution. Because in 1755 or '4, before the Declaration of Independence, let's leave it at that one. Do your own homework. I urge you. But, anyway, the king just said, general warrants. And so any cop. Anybody could just go, I got a general warrant here from the king. And they could go into your house. And take anything they wanted. And just say, you're under suspicion.
That's why the Fourth Amendment exists. This is what happened to Donald Trump. This is -- this allows them to kick the door down, in the middle of the night. You're not charged with anything. They're just looking. They're just looking to see. If they have anything. I wonder what they've got in there. They can use it to hassle you. They can do it just to see. Does he have anything he shouldn't have? That's a general warrant. We don't do that, in America. And it's a fundamental principle of America, and a fundamental principle in justice. Imagine what the south could have done and what the south probably did do, until we started enforcing the Fourth Amendment, from the federal government and saying to these states, you're not doing that. Imagine you're black, and you're living in a southern state. What they could do, and probably what they did do, just going in with a general warrant. What am I suspected of? What am I -- you're all guilty. You know it. You're all guilty. We know you. And they could just go terrorize your family and bust in at any hour, and just take whatever they wanted. That's not justice. That is not justice. Also, one other thing: When I heard they charged him with the Espionage Act, excuse me? Or they're thinking about it. No --
STU: That was the basis for the warrant.
GLENN: He might be violating the Espionage Act. Really? Really? You think Donald Trump is taking nuclear secrets and selling them to, whom? Beyond that, you know, I don't know if you have thought this out as a society or in a Justice Department.
You know, the nuclear secrets, that's kind of big. They're not just like in a file cabinet in the drawer of the President. Okay? If he wants a nuclear secret, he's got to ask for it and it's the kind of thing that usually comes over with a handcuff on a briefcase. And then that person shows it to the president, and they have to sign for it if they want to keep it, and somebody has to stay there. It's not like, hey, so I was on the crapper this morning, and I picked up accidentally nuclear secrets documents. I'm going to keep it.
So why DID Speaker Pelosi visit Taiwan, despite not only China’s threats, but Democrat leadership — and even President Biden himself — making it clear they did not approve of her trip as well? Maybe Nancy felt really passionately about declaring her support for the Asian nation, BUT there’s likely more to the story. In fact, perhaps Nancy Pelosi's AND her son’s connections to Taiwanese companies have something to do with it all. In this clip, Glenn exposes those business deals and shows how it directly relates to their trip…
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GLENN: Okay. We have so many problems going on. But let me give you one: Nancy Pelosi was asked yesterday, hey. We noticed in a picture, your son seemed to be on-air two, or whatever you call it, when the Speaker of the House is taking it. Flying to Taiwan. Your son doesn't really have a job.
Was your son on the plane, Nancy? Because he wasn't on the man fest with -- that you released. Was he on the plane? Here's what she said.
VOICE: There are some reports that your son was on the --
VOICE: Yes, he was. Yes, he was. His role was to be my escort. Usually, we -- we invited spouses. Not all could come. But I had him come, and I was very proud that he was there. And I was thrilled. It was nice for me. And of course he didn't do any business there.
GLENN: Oh, that's good. It was nice for her. Of course he didn't do any business there. Yes, he did. Yes, he did.
STU: No. He didn't. She just said. She just said.
GLENN: All right. All right.
STU: Of course not.
GLENN: Okay. You know, I just think we should look at Nancy Pelosi. And I just want to say, she's amazing. When she was elected in the late 1700s, her net worth was $3 million. When she came to Congress, her net worth was $3 million. Now, I don't know what happened. But they got very good at investing. By 2008, their wealth went from $3 million to $31 million. Now, that's not bad as a public servant, you know. By the end of -- now, that's 2008. By the end of Obama's term, 2012 -- no. Sixteen. Her wealth, eight years of Democrats ruling the government, her wealth went from $31 million to $61 million.
Now, I don't know about you. But, boy, that economy seems to be roaring for them, huh?
They are really good. Now, that was in 2016. $61 million. Two years later -- two years later, her wealth went from 61 million to $114 million. What investors they are!
I'll tell you more about it, in a second.
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GLENN: All right. So wait a minute. So Nancy Pelosi comes into office, she has $3 million.
Then by the time Obama gets into office, that's ballooned to $31 million. By the day he leaves office, that's ballooned to $61 million. Are you getting the trend here? I mean, just in eight years of --
STU: She's good at this, is what you're saying.
GLENN: She's very good at this.
STU: She knows the markets.
GLENN: Right. And then two years later, her 61 turns into 114 million.
STU: It's incredible. She's great. She's a great businessperson.
GLENN: She should leave office. Can you imagine. I mean, I don't invest in a hedge fund that was doubling their money every two years?
STU: Here's the problem, she's just too interested in public service.
GLENN: Oh, gee. She's got such a heart.
STU: She's obviously got so good at investing, that if she would just leave her post, as Speaker of the House, she could make trillions of dollars.
GLENN: Yeah. Wow.
STU: But she's -- she's sacrificing and staying in there, despite the fact that she was able to double her money every couple of years. It's incredible.
GLENN: Now, she did it again with that $5 million in computer chips, before Congress voted on their semiconductor bill.
I don't even know why I put that last part of the sentence in, because it's completely unrelated. Because she's so good at picking stocks.
STU: She was able to predict this legislation, that affected this industry, in a major way. That's -- I mean, if you were an investor, that would be an incredible skill.
GLENN: Now, here is Nancy Pelosi. Because you say to yourself. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Why did Nancy Pelosi go against the Pentagon, go against the president?
What is the driving, behind Nancy Pelosi's just great desire to go to Taiwan? Well, she said. Here it is, listen.
NANCY: When I was a little girl, I was told at the beach, if I dug a hole deep enough, we could reach China. So we've always felt a connection there.
GLENN: You don't --
STU: What the -- what is she?
GLENN: What is your connection to Taiwan? Why do you find it so -- why do you have such a deep connection, that you had to go to Taiwan?
STU: Because she was at the beach as a kid.
GLENN: As a little girl. And she was told, if I could dig my way -- if I dig long enough, I will go to China. And I've always had that connection. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh.
STU: Oh, my --
GLENN: Now, if you question that, you're such a cynic. Such a cynic. It has -- what are you going to say? It had something to do with the stock trading at the companies that make computer chips. You know, because Taiwan is the largest source for computer chips.
Nancy, sure, she was working on the semiconductor bill, when they bought all of that.
And it has nothing to do with the largest semiconductor manufacturer. TSMC being in Taiwan.
I mean, she went there, to show support. American support, for the country and the people of Taiwan. She didn't take her time out to meet with TSMC officials. She wouldn't be anywhere near Taiwanese semiconductor manufacturers. Right?
Oh, gosh. Oh, just up on the screen. It just came up. Wow, what a horrible. That's bad timing. Washington Post. Pelosi to meet with Taiwan's biggest semiconductor manufacturer. TSMC. Well, I mean, stop being such a cynic, okay? So she had a sitdown. You know, one on one.
Mano a mano. You know, maybe with her son. I don't know. You know, they met with the TSMC boss.
But she doesn't own any TSMC stock. She doesn't. So she's not -- well, okay.
She does have, quote, a significant stake in the asset management firm, which is Alliance Bernstein.
Alliance owns 1.46 million shares of TSMC. But she's only making money if Alliance makes money. Not if TM -- TSMC makes money.
I mean, she doesn't care if they make money or don't make money. She's only got $1.46 million shares in the company, that is the asset management firm.
So, I mean, it's like, I don't have any Tesla stock. I only make money, when Elon Musk makes money. What?
Why would I -- I don't have a single share in Tesla, okay?
What is wrong with you? This is what is happening in our government. And Mitch McConnell is not free of connections in China.
These are the people, that are in charge. This is why they don't retire. This is why they don't go away. This is why, their families, their sons, go on trips with them. No. He was just being there as an escort for mommy. That's it. We cuddled. We colored on the plane. You know, and I'm sorry. We didn't colored. We -- we -- we -- is that word okay to say?
STU: I think they read SkyMall magazine quite a bit. There was a lot of orders from SkyMall. They have those pillows that cover your whole face.
GLENN: Wait a minute. The pillow that covers your face. Oh, is that the one that he was holding down over mom's face?
STU: That's a different pillow.
GLENN: Okay. So, anyway, he went, and he met with people. He went separately, on his own business deals. What is his business? Who is he meeting with?
That's exactly like Hunter without the cocaine, the crack, or the hookers. And I can't say that he didn't have cocaine, crack, or hookers. I just know that he met with businesspeople. This is what they do.
And no one is even willing. That will be the last question. That will be the last question to Nancy Pelosi on this. Oh, she said no. He wasn't doing anything.
According to the Washington Post, the FBI was looking for documents including some related to nuclear weapons during its raid of Mar-a-Lago. But if that's the case, Glenn wonders, then why did the DOJ wait 18 months to do anything? And which part of Melania's closet did Trump kept them in? Since the DOJ still hasn't told us much (except through media leaks), Glenn presents a "theory" of his own...
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GLENN: Stu. Stu, Stu, Stu, Stu. Now that you know what they were looking for. And not actually verified. You know, Garland came out yesterday and said he was going to release the information today. But he wanted to leave it up to Donald Trump. And everybody, of course, speculated, no way Donald Trump is going to say, release that. And he said, go ahead. Release it. In fact, I urge you to release it right now. All of it. That was just part of his dastardly plan. The DOJ released it. Well, they didn't really release it. Kind of laundered it, by leaking it to the Washington Post.
STU: Hmm. Yeah. We heard over and over again, that they never comment on these investigations. Yet, every piece we know about this investigation, other than the one press conference was leaked to the media, which is shocking. I am very upset about this.
GLENN: Uh-huh, yeah.
STU: I think -- you know, you say, maybe that's changed my mind. No, that's not changed my mind. I'm very angry about this. I'm angry that the government did not go in earlier, with this dangerous plan by Donald Trump to -- I don't know what.
GLENN: He had nuclear secrets. He had nuclear secrets. They're just going to wait 18 months for nuclear secrets.
STU: How many nuclear weapons has this guy built on the property of Mar-A-Lago? How many has he given to North Korea? He said himself, he's good buddies with Kim Jong-un.
GLENN: Good buddies.
STU: How many times has he FedExed this guy in a suitcase nuke?
GLENN: Well, he's holding out for the highest bidder. That's what he's doing. And as several experts pointed out. That is something we gave the chair to the Isenbergs back in the -- Isenbergs. Rosenbergs. You know, one of the bergs.
STU: All of the bergs. And it's interesting because they did it immediately to that. And any time anyone else says the word "treason," you get an letter from every left-wing source. They say how terrible you are.
GLENN: Yeah. Because that is -- that's defined in the Constitution. It requires death penalty.
STU: And that's why I think it's important to, you know, be careful when you're talking about these things.
GLENN: Sure. Sure.
STU: And yet, every media source on the left, seems to go to Rosenberg, immediately. What happened to that?
GLENN: Well, it's not good enough to put the guy in jail, and smear him. I think electric chair is the way to go.
STU: That's what they're suggesting, which is a fascinating turn of events.
GLENN: Can I tell you something, Stu? I've always known it.
STU: You've known it.
GLENN: Let me tell you the real story here. I have several sources here. Several sources. So let me just tell you. Because the story always starts as it always does, except in Joe Biden's case. It's very important to know, in Joe Biden's case, this doesn't apply. But the story always starts as all stories start. Father and son. Father and son. Father just trying to help out his son, who might be going on the wayward paths. And finds himself in trouble. And the father just says, I want to -- I want to help him out. You know, while the right has been saying, hey, Hunter Biden. You know, his dad is being held hostage, you know, by China and everywhere else because of his son's, you know, hooker and crack problem. That is not even true. That's not even true. That's why NPR said, you know, we -- we're not going to -- we're not even going to run this story. Because it's not even important, even if it was true. And that's why, you know, Brian Stelter for so long said, it's just a hoax. It's a hoax. It's a hoax. And then as soon as management changed, and he realized, oh, crap. I might be first on the chopping block. He immediately came and said, you know what, it's not a hoax anymore. Anyway. It's a story of a father and son drunk on power. Doing everything they can, just to get rich on the backs of the taxpayer, you know. The office of the presidency was nothing more than a banking machine. An ATM machine for them. Well, if it weren't for the press. Thank God for the press.
Can we thank God for the press right now? Or whatever Lord you might serve, you know.
Or they might serve.
Thank him for them. Because the press, the CDC, FBI, DOJ, NSA, LGBT, not the Q, but the I. And the two. But sans the plus. If it wasn't for them.
STU: What about the A?
GLENN: No. I'm still out. I don't have a source on the A.
STU: Oh, wow. Well, see, that's good you're admitting your limitations.
GLENN: Well, we could all be dead by now. We could all be dead by now.
In what insiders tell me, and I mean insiders close to the situation. Advisers and former friends of Trump, and close friends and former coworkers with Melania, who were also retired whistle-blowers. And because they were retired whistle-blowers, even though they don't have any firsthand evidence, they are experts in the field of blowing whistles.
And so we ask them for -- for some comment. And they gave us comment. They wished to remain anonymous for their own safety.
But they did tell me, that they will come forward later, at a later date, once they have the book deals secured. But they have said that we would all be dead by now, probably from something that would have been known, if they hadn't caught it, asthmas suicide, as this former president, and his dastardly plan just to help the Russians and himself and his son. Were encouraging Americans to inject bleach into their arms. And a lot of Americans were under the spell of this -- well, what experts from the Department of Education now believe is nothing more than a greedy 1 percenter. Very, very rich. But not really rich. It's probably all a fraud. But is a genius indict manipulator of people. Who has had a master plan going for a very, very long time. Which is building led, now, according to experts. By him, the Klan, Hitler's long lost Long Island relations.
The spray tan industry. And known Christian white nationalists Clarence and Ginni Thomas. And thank goodness we found out about it yesterday. You know what I mean?
We just needed that one last piece, which, of course, begins with his wife. I should say, air quote. Wife. Melania. Who, as we all know, most likely an illegal immigrant. Which is the first and only time we're supposed to care about that. But she's not actually his wife. That's a beard. She's his handler. You know, she's from the former Soviet Union. And that -- that goes with a long, long, well-documented love that Donald Trump has had for the former Soviet Union. And --
STU: The entire right, really. I mean, it's never been the left that's loved the Soviet Union. It's the right that loves the Soviet Union.
GLENN: No. It's the right. It's the right. You know, fascists. Communists. We just love it.
Anyway, you know, everybody thinks, oh, he loves his wife. Have you seen the pictures? Have you seen the pictures? Really, of Donald Trump. Of who he really loves? Remember that one picture of him with -- with his daughter in the limousine, like 25 years ago, when she was little, sitting right up next to him.
STU: Oh, my gosh.
GLENN: Yeah. Yeah. Did you need any more than that?
GLENN: Apparently, he's actually married to his daughter, who were wed in some backwoods white southern chicken and pineapple pizza parlor wedding. Now, this is according to the Clinton State Department experts there.
They now tell us, that these underground rituals, which happen all the time, with home green white domestic terrorists, after they attend their local PTA and teacher meetings. They groom. And, yes, I can say it today. I can use the word groom. In this case, Twitter says, it's totally fine. Use it. Use it as much as you want.
GLENN: But apparently, these white domestic terrorists cover children with pizza sauces before each ceremony. And that might sound weird to you. But you will understand. It will all come snapping back to you. In just a minute.
STU: Thank God you're here to tell the truth.
GLENN: Well, it's not me. Thank God for the FBI and the USDA. I mean, if I hadn't known I was getting 100 percent grade A beef. I don't know if I would be able to tell you this story today.
STU: No. You wouldn't.
GLENN: So, anyway, they cover these children in pizza sauces, before the sick, twisted marriage ceremony. Which is just nothing, but underage brides, and arranged marriages. Which, by the way, sources at CAIR, say is absolutely okay. Except in this case. Anyway, Media Matters, as well as Chris Cuomo told me earlier today. That this actually -- this ritual began years ago, before the use of electricity.
And as these arranged marriages with underground, you know. And underage white children happen in the basement of these pizza parallel yores. And back in the day, it was too dark for the groom to even recognize his child bride. They had to have a way to do that. So they would poor pizza sauce all over him. So they would recognize the bride by the aroma, and sometimes intoxicating scents of Canadian bacon and fresh pineapple. Now, Christopher Ray can now confirm today, something that we all knew.
But people on the right were like, Joe Biden, what is he doing? He's a child predator. Yeah. Joe Biden, according to Christopher Ray today, is actually a very high-trained expert in the field of these white nationalists. And has been working hard unbeknownst to anybody. He didn't even want credit for this. He's been working hard to arrest children from these arranged marriages, by sniffing the heads of the children and whispering into their ears, I smell you. And I am your Pizzagate to freedom. And, well, anyway, I digress. Can we get back to the president's son, and who has been racking up bills. Betting on the ponies. Oh, yeah. Just betting on the ponies. And he has fallen into arrears if you will, with some of the most notorious Russian bookers you can imagine. Yes. He has a booker and track problem. And I want you to know that right up front. You might not want to believe it. But he does. So this all kind of comes together, with Trump's long held love of Russia. And -- and his desire to build the Trump onion dome hotel, right there in Red Square in Moscow. He just needed a price. What is it going to take? What is it going to take? I just want to take Red Square, and I want to turn it into a giant hotel. What is it going to take?
And he's had meetings to accomplish this. You know, unbeknownst to most people, except for the press. And apparently, his plans include him eventually laying in state, in Lenin's tomb, which would become the new lobby for the Trump Hotel. Which is, I mean, that sounds --
GLENN: Oh, no. It's supposedly luxurious. And the best two dead people in a lobby hotel ever. Ever built.
STU: There's at least two or three of these details you've read so far, that I've not seen in the Washington Post.
GLENN: Well, they'll be leaked later on today. But his good friend and real boss Vladimir Putin. Told Trump the price. Apparently, according to Pentagon officials who negotiated our exit in Afghanistan, they can now confirm, he didn't even negotiate with the dictator. He was like, I'm in. And he went right to work, under the code name. Now, this is going to sound shocking. But it's true. He uses the code name Boris. That he took from the old rocky and Bullwinkle show. Because all of the Tom Clancy code names for Russian spies were taken by somebody else. And I don't know who. But, anyway, he began his effort to build a nuclear bomb for the Russians. And they only lacked a schematic and some gifts and some other items which could later be kept a box in Mar-a-Lago, or Melania's unmentionable drawer next to her Hanes underpant collection.
STU: Melania wears Hanes?
GLENN: Well, according to experts close to the source. There's more, but I don't think we need to get into it.
STU: Well, you have blown the lid off of this thing.
GLENN: And couldn't have done it without the DOJ.
STU: I will say, that telling of the story is much more reserved, and probably closer to the truth than most of the things I've read over the past 24 hours.
GLENN: It's crazy what they want us to believe.
David Nagel originally recorded video of an ATF inspector taking pictures of his company’s documents to show others what struggles his business was facing. But what Nagel — the owner of Black Metal Firearms LCC — caught on camera has now gone viral. He details to Glenn the threats made by that ATF inspector against his regular customers, the insults she hurled towards all gun owners, and the uphill battle he now faces to restore licensing...
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GLENN: We have -- we have a guy who I think is very, very brave. He is the owner of Black Metal Firearms, LLC.
His name is David Nagel. Welcome, David, how are you?
DAVID: I'm excited to be on.
GLENN: You -- I bet before you posted that video, you -- it probably was very difficult. And you probably had a little prayer. Or a lot of thought on it, on whether or not that was the best thing to do. Am I right?
DAVID: Well, to be honest, the video sat in my phone since January. And for the longest time, it was just kind of a game of keep your head down. And hope that they leave you alone.
But as we started hearing more and more news coming down through the industry, it became pretty well apparent, that keeping our head down. Was not going to help us. Because unfortunately, everyone prior to us, also kept their head down. And ended up losing their licenses anyway.
So at a certain point, honestly, it was because we had an irate customer that was upset about kind of rulings that the ATF is putting out, regarding some of the stuff that we sell.
And, you know, he was showing a rather irate level of concern for the legal troubles that he could face. And after listening to him blow up at myself and my wife, over something we have no control over. I kind of felt it was necessary to let everyone know. Like, this is what we're actually dealing with on our end.
And -- it was a kind of spur of the moment. Like, you know what, here's what's really going on.
And we posted the video. I didn't expect it would get nearly as much traction, as it did. I was hoping it would get something. But as you've known to this point, yeah. We did reach out to a lot of different entities prior to this, up to and including the state attorney general.
GLENN: Who is your state attorney general? What state are you in?
GLENN: And your state attorney general didn't help you?
DAVID: So it was kind of a -- it was kind of a -- an indirect meeting, where we voiced our concerns to another FFL that was meeting with him.
And the -- the impression that we got was, sorry, it's a federal thing. We can't help you.
GLENN: That's bullcrap.
DAVID: Now, to be direct, what was discussed at that point, was more about saving our license, rather than the content of the video.
So the content of the video, was something that we had sat on for a while. Because honestly, it's really difficult to say, yes. This is not okay. When you have a federal agent sitting in front of you, and we did, in fact, confront her about it, when she was, in fact, taking pictures of our records. And we asked her, hey, it looks like you're creating a registry. And they said, hey, that would be illegal. So we did what we thought was the best thing we could do, which was record it.
We had quite a bit of recording. A lot of it, we were not able to share, because there was personal information visible in it. You know, contact numbers. Things of that sort.
So we didn't want to put people on blast like that.
GLENN: So when you said, because if I'm not mistaken, look, a lot of people will have a problem like this. Because it looks like you're doing a registry. And you're taking all this information. And didn't she say something about your customers?
DAVID: She said quite a few things about our customers. But to get to what you're referring to. We said, hey, you know, our customers think this is a little off.
And she said, well, it sounds like your customers are just being paranoid. Maybe I should look into them a little bit more.
Which I thought was really creepy.
GLENN: That's a threat. That's a threat.
DAVID: It is. And I have -- I have a customer, who is of Iranian birth, he's been living in the United States for decades. And his name came up. Because he's purchased firearms from us for several times. You know, she was on his list of interesting people.
You know, and at one point, you know -- when she was discussing with us, about our interesting people. And she said, you have a few gun nuts in there. And I politely corrected her. I prefer gun enthusiast. And she said, no, they're nuts.
DAVID: And I felt like that was a kind of backhanded way of describing the average American. Because if we're all nuts, then what are -- what are you governing us for?
GLENN: Right. And what rights do we have in your mind, to be able to have these guns, if -- if I'm a gun collector, which I am, if I'm a gun collector, and I have more guns than somebody in New York City. Does that make me nuts to them?
I think so. But I'm a collector of them. And others who might collect something else. Or might be interested in something else, they might have, you know -- you know, 1,000 Pez dispensers. I might think that's nuts. But that's their passion. And that's what we live with in America. People with different passions.
DAVID: And we're certainly passionate about what we do. A lot of our customers are. I would say, we have some customers that are rather enthusiastic about supporting us.
And we're very happy to see the amount of support that we've gotten. I mean, it has definitely come with its drawbacks. Because a lot of people think it's something that we did wrong. That we are not trustworthy as a business. That we allowed this to occur. But if you were to swap into any of the FFL forums, where this has been discussed. It's extremely prevalent. To the point where, almost every dealer that I've spoken to, in the forums, thinks that I'm out of line for even suggesting that this is wrong. Because it happens everywhere. And I think that --
GLENN: No. But newly happens? Or is this something that's been going on for 20 years?
DAVID: Well, I've only been in business for about eight. And to that end, I've need seen anything like this. We've been audited three prayer times for that.
Audit is different -- audit is different. If I'm not mistaken. The ATF has a right to come in, and should audit you, if there's any discrepancies. You work on those discrepancies. But they don't have a right to your customer list. Unless it's part of the discrepancy. Correct?
DAVID: That is my understanding, yes.
GLENN: Go ahead.
DAVID: Well, according to their handbook, yeah. They're not supposed to make copies of records, and something of the sort, unless it's particularly pertinent to their investigation. Which that would usually be a particular person, or a clerical error in question.
But, I mean, based on our quotes, out of our audit, I didn't have 4,000 entry errors, to cover all the pages that she covered. So I'm curious what exactly her rationale was for copying everything.
And it clearly wasn't part of my audit.
GLENN: Okay. Do you have an attorney?
DAVID: I actually have one for our -- trying to help us retain our license.
I have another one, that we're starting to work with, more with the side of helping our customers, because of the breach of privacy.
GLENN: You started a GoFundMe. It's just GoFundMe. Help Black Metal Firearms. And you can do your own homework. You can follow them and see the Facebook page, where they posted this.
This woman clearly is not a fan of firearms, or people that carry or want to use firearms.
And you have her on tape, taking photos of all of the records. Which is illegal.
I -- I am going to reach out to your -- to your attorney general. Who is your attorney general? I don't know them.
VIVEK: The attorney general is Mark Bunovich.
GLENN: And Republican or Democrat?
DAVID: He is a Republican. He actually is just running for Senate. He didn't make the primary. But he's -- so I -- I don't know what his rationale was for everything that's gone on to this point. Now, again, the scope of what we're trying to do has changed since we indirectly reached out to him. And I have been told by several other people, that are law enforcement in the area, both federal and state. That his jurisdiction on this matter may actually be revised. Because since she was using an i Phone for this particular action, if her data was saved to an i Cloud storage of some sort. That counts as digital transmission of personal information, that does not belong to her. Which is by itself, a state fell any.
So it is something that I think we should probably explore.
But, I mean -- to be kind of honest, I don't know if I have much hope for the outcome on that.
GLENN: Well, we have to have -- we have to start demanding it from our attorneys general. And you did the right thing.
And you keep being loud and calm. And do everything exactly right. But I personally. You know, I'll have our producers look into this a little bit more. And maybe we'll give an update tomorrow and the next day.
But there's got to be a class-action suit. I mean, this is against the law. Yeah. There has to be a class-action.
DAVID: That is the plan. Because we have a lot of customers that were involved in this. We have been handing out pages that basically have the instructions to file a formal complaint against the ATS website, particularly naming this event. So pretty much every customer we've had for the last few years. Technically, going all the way back to the beginning, from 2014. A lot of them are friends of mine from Facebook. Because they were our garage days. And a lot of them were people that have been in and out of our store, for the last several years. So we've been trying to let everyone know. So they do get documented, as complaining -- filing a formal complaint. Make sure they get the complaint number.
So that way, there is some sort of traceable proof. Because, you know, we don't want documents to go missing.
GLENN: All right. Thank you so much. We're going to check back with you, David.
David is the owner of Black Metal Firearms. If you would like to help them, with their fight to keep their license. And also for attorney help. You can do go to GoFundMe. Help Black Metal Firearms. Help Black Metal Firearms.
Thank you, David. We'll be in touch again. Let us know if there's any update in between, will you?
DAVID: Thank you, Glenn, I will.
GLENN: You bet. Thank you.