RADIOMarch 28, 2025

Could This Change Everything About the JFK Assassination?

When Glenn went to the Side X Side Ranch in Oklahoma to test the Warren Commission’s JFK assassination verdict, he didn’t expect it to turn out like this. Glenn speaks with the ranch’s founder and co-owner, Scott Robertson, about what they discovered: If Glenn could make the shots, then Lee Harvey Oswald probably could. But all 3 were grouped very close together. So, why was the “magic bullet” narrative so different?

Transcript

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GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're spending more time on the JFK files and the show that I did last night. Jibs I think it tells you everything you need to know about what's happening today. And you won't understand that, until you really watch the show. It is -- I think this is a direct replay of what happened during the Kennedy times. And possibly what happened during Nixon's tenure.

And what's happening right now, to Donald Trump.

And it is so important that you understand this.

Because you will understand why people are protesting!

In the streets. Why this non-grassroots or as Nancy Pelosi would say, AstroTurf protests are coming up.

So -- so quickly, and so oddly, with something like USAID.

You'll figure that out, as you watch the special last night.

But at the end of the special, and it's only available on Blaze TV right now, is -- is when I went out, and fired an exact copy of -- what's his name?

Oswald's gun. Same gun. We don't know of another one like it.

Because it has the exact same modifications that Oswald made to his. And we shot the exact same bullets. The rounds.

These were about $40 a piece. Because they were antique. I mean, we literally went and got the same bullets from the same batch.

To see. What would happen.

We made a few shots with that.

And then the gun. The firing pin went bad. So I had to switch guns.

But it's the same kind of thing. And I think I had a harder shot than even Oswald did.

And you'll see what happened. But where we did this was at the, side by side ranch. This was in Oklahoma. And it's an unbelievable shooting ranch.

I mean, it's just -- I mean, I was up there. And I said to Scott, the owner. I said, I think. I think I would like to live here, quite honestly.

It is an unbelievable place, if you're into shooting or anything else. You should check this out. But Scott is the owner of it.

Now, let me just tell you who he is first.

Before we talk to him.

He began shooting at seven. Because his dad was a member of the Air Force competitive trap team. And he was a great trap shooter, inductee of the California State Trap Hall of Fame, blah, blah. He was also a professional coach and instructor. He was the first team captain for Team USA in 1985. Now, his son becomes a competitive shooter. This Scott. I'm introducing you to here in a second. He was a professional shooter for Beretta firearms for 28 years.

I've seen him through his exhibition events. And they are -- I mean, it's almost like Annie Oakley, where you throw a quarter up and he shoots it. I mean, he does that. He's in the Sporting Place Hall of Fame, won over 14 national championships. He's a current national record holder in the small gauge champion. Eight world championships. Named to all 54 American teams in trap. He's also the only competitive clay target athlete in the history of American sporting place.

Twenty-five years running, to average over 90 percent consistently. The guy is really good.

But what has he done with his life?

I don't know. Not much. Here's Scott Robinson.

Scott, welcome to the program.

SCOTT: Thanks, Glenn. Thanks for having me. First of all, you're too good of a shot to have sat in that tractor, that I was shooting at to re-create the -- the Oswald shot. I don't know why you did that. We were asking, you want to get some more, a longer chain?

Because I don't know.

And you didn't. But thank you for pulling the tractor, and pulling that car. Tell me about the shot. Go ahead. Geo

SCOTT: Well, Glenn, we have to give your audience, a little context. Right?

You don't have me on because I'm a good shooter. You have me on because I'm the only one crazy enough to get into the tractor.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yes.

SCOTT: You know, the reason I'm here really, is because I do have a gun club. Excuse me, a mile from Blaze Studio's.

And I'm the guy that you call when you have one of those hair brained ideas. If you remember, a couple years ago. Remember you came with the gun chain saw, multi purpose, whatever that zombie thing was.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah, it was great.

SCOTT: So, you know -- and then last week, my -- my -- who happens to be my best friend. Said, hey, Glenn's guy called, and they wanted to recreate the JFK deal.

And I went, oh, crap.

Glenn, you're that friend, that when people call, you're like how much time and money?
(laughter)

STU: Sorry.

I'm sorry, Scott.

SCOTT: You know, Jason calls. And we have three days to re-create the deal.

And come up with an elevated platform.

They want a moving target. You know, it has to have -- but you're left-handed. And the right-handed gun.

Oh, my gosh. So when Jason gets up there earlier. He says, well, how long is your chain?

I said, I don't know. Well, we could put some together.

So I put the 20-foot bat wing up on the tractor. And then a 20-foot chain. And he goes, I don't know that that's long enough. So we had another chain. And with the angle, I couldn't hardly get it long.

GLENN: I know. That lost shot.

I mean, if I were a bad shot, the last shot, I mean, was not good for you. Let's put it that way.

SCOTT: Well, I just want you to know, when you turn to the staff. And you guys say, hey, what do you think about this know.

When they pause, that's pretty much them saying to their boss. Boss, this is a really dumb idea.
(laughter)
Okay.

GLENN: Right. Okay.

SCOTT: I want you to think about this.

GLENN: But as it turns out. Right.

SCOTT: Glenn, that sounds great. That's them saying, this is a really bad idea.

GLENN: Right. But as it turned out, it wasn't. Was it? Was it?

SCOTT: Well, I want you to know. I want you to know. I am proud of you. Because you always said, do your own homework. And from the last time I saw you shoot, a couple years ago at the range. You had been doing your homework.

And I am sincerely impressed.

GLENN: Wow.

SCOTT: This was -- you know, those shots that we did, first of all, you did prove that the shot could be made.

I mean, I didn't think it could be made before you did it.

And so I think, you know -- we proved that the shot could be made.

I don't know -- I'm still not convinced that's how it went down. But that's my own --

GLENN: Right. But we did rule this out.

Because I have heard my whole life, oh, it's a very difficult shot. Probably -- I mean, very few people could make that shot.

I made that shot.

And I think the shot I made was more difficult.

We had the wind against us.

And we also -- it wasn't a paved street the car was on. That truck was bumping. Going up and down all the time. That was a difficult shot. And I don't consider myself a decent shooter with rifles and scopes.

SCOTT: Well, I will tell you, I am impressed, because I -- first of all, I'm in this tractor. And I'm thinking.

I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Now, you have to understand, I do lots of sketchy shots.

I do all kinds of crazy stuff.

GLENN: Right. Right.

SCOTT: So if I'm a little nervous.

That's pretty -- that's pretty sketchy.

GLENN: Yeah.

SCOTT: So you're up on this tower, with six or eight people.

You know, I've been instructed with this big lift. And it's wobbly.

And then the radio, and JASE is like, well, the radio is hot.

And I'm looking to what seems to be down the barrel.

With you up there. Okay. I'm really hoping that Glenn has been practicing. But, anyway, I'm pulling this truck, at 11 miles an hour.

And it's in one of my fields.

So it's bouncing up and down.

Those balloons had to be bouncing probably ten to 12 inches. And I'm thinking, we're going to have to do this, ten times today. Right?

This is going to take ten takes.

And then I look back, and I see the first balloon explode.

And then I say, good for you. You've got one.

We can always go to B roll.

Then you hit the next balloon.

Then the truck is bouncing like crazy.

Because there's a lag between the second shot and the third shot.

Then I see the third balloon explode.

And I'm like, I'm not believing this.

I mean, I'm impressed.

It's not an easy shot.

But even more, the way that we had to do it with the moving vehicle. And up and down.

GLENN: Right.

So I think we both can say, if I could do that, Oswald, the only thing he had that I didn't have, was the pressure of killing the president.

All the nerves. But I'm also left-handed. Right-handed gun.

You know, we had other things going on. That balanced things out.

So I really believe he could have made the shot.

Now, tell what we found at the end, that bothered you, that you brought up.

SCOTT: Well, what was interesting was the grouping in the -- so the bullet went back -- went through the balloon. Which represented, you know, the target.

GLENN: The head.

SCOTT: It went through the windshield. Or excuse me, the back glass.

Then all three bullets lodged in a very small group in the front windshield.

So first thing I thought was interesting, is how offset it was. It wasn't on the right side of the car. It was on the left side of the car.

So that was just interesting with the angle.

Because we pretty much had the exact angles that -- that it would have been in downtown Dallas.

The other thing that I found interesting, was that even though, the truck was moving.

And there was a distance.

We had the balloons lined up in such a way. Stagnated in the car. And what was interesting, was that all of the bullets landed in the front windshield in a small enough group, that really asked more questions, than we answered. Right? Like, why was the guy in the -- why was the driver not hit?

Why was the passenger not hit more than one time?

Right. So a lot of these things were weird.

And so it really --

STU: The way it came out with us. The driver should have been killed. The driver absolutely should have been at least hit.

But could have been killed.

The way we did it. It was too high up. Because it wasn't six stories up.

We were about two. And so it would have gone up into his back. Instead of what we had.

It would have gone right through his head.

But I went through the Warren commission.

And it said that the first bullet landed in the street someplace.

It was such a bad shot. It didn't even enter the car. Just landed in the street. And the kid was hit by a piece of the curb. That broke off and hit him.

And the -- the head shot, they say, that the head shot, the bullet completely disintegrated and broke up.

So they've never found any pieces of that bullet. Is that even possible?

SCOTT: Well, no. One of these days, you should research the Bill Cooper video. That's the one that makes more logical sense to me.

But, you know, that's way whole 'nother conspiracy, if you -- if you watched that video, it does make more sense, that he was actually shot with a CIA air pistol. And, you know, there was also a bullet, that's why they had to change the brain out in Dallas.

So, you know, I tend to kind come up with more in that deal. But the real question, when you start looking at the ballistics of it, is when you shot that shot, the first shot being a miss.

I don't really buy that. Because how does a guy make two shots in a head, at twice the distance of the first shot. And the first shot is not -- because that first shot, you have to admit, that was probably the easiest shot.

Right?

GLENN: Oh, it's easy. Yeah. I was more concerned about the other one. It was at a steeper angle. It was difficult.

SCOTT: 100 percent. So if Oswald is good enough to hit the president, one in the neck and one in the head. You're telling me, that he's going to completely miss the car, when in your scope, all you would see is car? It doesn't make any sense, right? So it's kind of hard to believe that the first shot was a miss.

I don't -- you know, and then when we start looking at the angles and the ballistics of what we did, I have to ask more questions, because it just doesn't make any sense. It -- you don't have a miss and then you have two good shots like that.

And then the angle of it. How was the passenger hit, and not the driver?

It's just a lot of questions there.

GLENN: So, Scott, I've only got less than a minute here. I just wanted to say -- and you might say, I -- I'm not sure that's a really good idea. But I would like to re-create the Butler shooting. Because that just seems like the easiest shot of all time, compared to -- compared to Oswald. That seems simple. Really simple.

SCOTT: Well, not only simple. The other shooting, yes, I would like to do that with you, because I think we will find in Butler. That we could take anybody off the street, and they would make that shot, 99 percent out of hundred.

GLENN: Yep. Yep. Yep. Scott, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

SCOTT: You bet, Glenn.

GLENN: He's the owner of Elm Fork Shooting Sports, and also Side-by-Side Ranch, founder and co-owner. And I just can't thank you enough, Scott.

We'll talk to you again. All right.

Canada FORCED this hospice center to EUTHANIZE its patients?!

Canada is forcing its Medical Assistance in Dying program, which offers euthanasia as a “medical treatment” option, on hospice centers. Delta Hospice Society executive director Angelina Ireland joins Glenn Beck to give the horrific details of how far the government went to try and get her to bend the knee: “I call it a culling. It’s a Canadian cull.”

Transcript

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GLENN: Let me take you to Canada for just a second.

And I want to -- this is a story that happened a while ago. But I want to just show you the dangers of public/private partnerships.

You're hearing this all the time. And every time, Joe Biden would say, public will she private partnership. It was all the Green New Deal and everything else.

I kept saying, that is fascism. That is exactly the deal that Mussolini and Hitler made. That's the difference between Communism and fascism.

They let you do your own thing. But you're a partner with the government. And as long as you abide by all of their rules, you're fine!

But the minute you disagree, you don't have a say. They'll throw you out on the street, so fast, your head will spin.

And that's exactly what happened to a hospice center. The Delta Hospice Society.

I have the -- the executive director on. Angelina Ireland.

And I asked her to come on today, to tell us the story of what happened, to her hospice facility.

Angelina, thank you for joining me.

ANGELINA: Hello, again. Thank you so much for having me today.

GLENN: You bet. You bet.

So you -- the hospice society is a public/private partnership with Canada.

You guys raised $8.5 million to build this property. And you negotiated a 25 or 35 million-dollar lease for the property. Right?

Tell me about this.

ANGELINA: Right. So we're a private society. So a 34-year organization.

Palliative care is basically, you take care of people, when they're chronically ill or terminally ill. You take care of them well.

So we fundraised over a couple -- a few years ago, $8 million to open a hospice and a palliative care support center next door. And so we raised that money.

We got a 35-year land lease with the public health authority. We built two buildings. A ten-bed hospice, a 7500 square foot supportive care center, where we did our counseling, all the supportive programs.

And then the service agreement was for operating costs. So every year, they give us $1.4 million, and we built those buildings. We opened them, and we operated our program, at the hospice for ten years.

Everything went fine, until this thing they called, the state euthanasia program called MAID. Right?

GLENN: Maid.

ANGELINA: And then the province basically came to us and said, you will have to start providing euthanasia. You will have to start killing your patients in the hospice. Because you're getting -- you're getting public money, right?

We said, absolutely not. We absolutely will not.

At which point, you're exactly right.

The fascism kicked in. I just call it stone cold communism.

And said, you're not getting any money, if you don't start killing your patients.

So then they cancelled that service agreement.

Which means, that's fine.

Look, we don't need your money. We'll be fine without your money.

Which apparently is the wrong answer.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yeah.

ANGELINA: Then they went after the lease. And we had 25 years left on that land lease, and they cancelled it.

And now, these incidentals like the buildings on them, they just consider those to be some kind of an old shack or fence, and they expropriated. So at the end of the day, they evicted, the organization from our buildings. They expropriated those assets, which were valued at eight and a half million dollars. Kicked us out, and took -- took our stuff.

And then they -- they started to operate our hospice, and they put in the euthanasia.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

They give no money for the buildings. I mean, it was their land, right? That's kind of the public/private partnership. You're taking money from them to run it, but you said to them, we don't need it.

But also, that was -- was that not federal land, that you were on? Or some sort of medical kind of preparedness of Canada.

JASON: It was. Well, it was.

Which is considered to be -- well, it was belonged to the health authority, but it was a registered lease. The titled office with 25 years left.

GLENN: Right. Right.

ANGELINA: So we had a right to be there. And of course to continue on for another 25 years.

But, of course, no, they didn't allow it.

GLENN: So when you went to the court. What did the court say?

ANGELINA: Well, you see, we didn't that get far. Because we went to three very, very prominent lawyers. And they told us straight-up.

You're not going to win.

You understand this, people?

You might walk in with one lawyer. They're going to walk in with 15 lawyers, all funded by the taxpayer.

GLENN: The government. Yeah.

ANGELINA: And you may win the first round. But you will not win -- they will tie it up. And it's called lawfare. They advised us again and again and again, to just move on. Take our punches. Take the licking from the government, and move on.

The important thing for us, was to hold on to our organization.

Because then the euthanasia after this, came for us. To try to take everything.

And we still have assets. But we did lose our bricks and mortar in the moment.

GLENN: That is crazy.

You know, I have described what's happening all around the world. With the -- with the extreme left.

With Islamists.

Not Muslims.

Islamists.

What is happening with the Communists and the fascists, is a death cult. It all seems to revolve around death. They take glee in death.

And Canada is shockingly, in many ways, leading the way on this with MAID.

You don't even know how many people are killed now with MAID a year, do you?

ANGELINA: No. We don't. We do not. I call it a culling. It's a Canadian cull. They're killing the sick people, the mentally ill, the disabled. Veterans. Homeless. The poor.

And then they're going after the children. But we do not know the numbers, exactly. I mean, the government is admitting to 60,000. There's absolutely no way it's 60,000.

I think they forgot a zero.

It's widespread. It's now considered a health care option.

When the doctor comes to a sick and vulnerable patient and saying, how would you just like to die? It's gotten completely out of hand.

It's truly a national horror for Canadians. For certainly people of faith in my country.

Pro-life for my country.

That we have no control over this.

We have no access to authentic true numbers, information.

And this whole consortium, that I call empire MAID has taken over the health care system.

GLENN: What is the -- what's the goal of this?

Do you think?

What's really behind it?

ANGELINA: Certainly. You know, so they want to talk about -- they -- they have captured the moral high ground on this, right?

If you want to be compassionate. You will have to start to kill people.

That's the only way to be compassionate. That's the only way to provide human rights.

So that very potent message, they've been able to roll it to a narrative, which is incredibly horrid.

The word is like -- it aches me. It's overwhelming.

GLENN: Yeah. Right.

ANGELINA: But why? Our public health care system, which is what happens when any government goes completely public. We have no private available.

It is illegal. It's bankrupt. We have --

GLENN: Hold on just a second. I want Americans to hear this.

Private health care, being a doctor and providing private health care is illegal in Canada.

ANGELINA: Yes, it is. The only thing you can do is to have cosmetic things done privately. That's it. You want a boob job, a nose job. You can go ahead, get a doctor and pay for that.

Everything else, it must be administered through the state, period. It has to go up to the Supreme Court of Canada. So this is undisputable.

Private health care is illegal.

GLENN: You know, I look at -- we're -- you have several states that are now trying to pass much of this.

And they are in the laws, that are being passed.

It is -- it is -- it's a requirement not to put assisted suicide down on the death.

So you have cancer.

But you didn't die of cancer.

You had cancer.

You have depression. And the doctors said, well, you can kill yourself over that.

It does not say, assisted suicide.

It is going to be illegal to put that on the death certificates.

It just has to say, depression.

Cancer.

Whatever it is.

That they helped you kill yourself over, that's -- that's what the cause of death is.

So you'll never, ever be able to count it!

You'll never be able to track it!

It is just evil, evil what's happening.

ANGELINA: It's true.

And how many people will be killed by the state? That is going to be the question. You will never know, that you are giving far too much power to the state.

Unaccountable.

Unquestionable.

GLENN: Are you -- are you shocked at the -- because I am here in America.

I mean, we just -- New York just voted for an Islamist who is saying, you know, he is for Hamas.

He is also a communist.

And they just elected him, or, you know, chose him as the Democratic candidate.

And nobody really seems to care!

When it comes to death all over, when you're seeing these things happen, I am shocked by my own citizens! Do you feel that way in Canada?

ANGELINA: Well, I personally am not shocked.

Because I know that the only thing that the socialists and the Communists ever do well, was kill people.

This should not come as a shock to anyone.

The -- the short sightedness unfortunately of a people. Is that they tend to get rewarded in the short term.

They give them stuff, money. Benefits.

It's only crops.

Ultimately, it will -- at the literal demise to allow, this kind of philosophy, political ideology.

To come into your country. Somewhere are you hopeful for the future, Angelina?

ANGELINA: You know, I love my country. To be honest with you, I am not. I am not.

We have seen in my country, an overwhelming immigration. That has come in. Talking about millions of people in a very short time.

That has literally destroyed our infrastructure, brought the health care system, to its knees.

A lot of people in my country, don't even have a family doctor.

They can't find a family doctor. They have to wait for months, upon years for the simplest of procedures.

And it isn't getting any better. So, you know, I pray because, of course, I am a person of faith. And I'm an apologetic Christian.

This is, again, very unpopular in my country.

But, you know, only God will be able to help us.

At this point.

GLENN: Thank you for ending it that way. Angelina, I appreciate it. Thank you for standing up and being vocal, and letting people of the world know that light still does exist, even though the darkness is growing.

Darker, faster. Thank you, Angelina. Appreciate it.

From Canada.

Did the Swamp RUIN the Big Beautiful Bill?

The Senate just sent the “Big Beautiful Bill” back to the House. But Rep. Chip Roy joins Glenn Beck with a warning: This isn’t the same bill President Trump proposed! The Swamp has made sure to cut back on its reforms. But are Trump’s tax cuts too important to fail?

Transcript

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GLENN: Chip Roy is with us from the great state of Texas.

Chip is a congressman, and welcome to the program. How are you, Chip?

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I'm -- you know, I'm continuing to work through, and trying to deliver the American people. But it's getting hard.

I'm with you. I'm tired of this bill right now.

GLENN: Yeah, you're living the dream, brother.

You are just living -- who doesn't want your job?

My gosh, what's -- what -- a glorious. Glorious, fun-filled life you must live.

CHIP: Yeah, there's -- there's been -- no, no, no.

GLENN: So tell me.

Tell me, is this thing gotten better or worse?

CHIP: Unfortunately, Glenn. I believe it's gotten worse.

Now, we've not seen the final product of the Senate. We don't have the tax. We've got to review it.

I try to be level-headed during these things. I had enormously strong and good friends in the administration, who in good faith, want to see this pass. Just as you do. Just as I do, just as the American people do.

They want to see a move forward in legislation to make tax cuts permanent. To deliver on the border funding that we need. You know, Steven Miller is a long-time friend. I've known him 25 years.

Russ Voit is a long-time friend. I've known him for 25 years. We've been working together in the trenches for as long as I can remember. We all want to deliver.

The problem is, the swamp is going to swamp.

And right now, we have a bill, that in my estimation, violates the house framework.

But more importantly, would add significantly to the deficits. Now, we have differing views.

GLENN: More. More than it did. More than it did, right?

CHIP: Quite a bit, in my view.

And look, there is going to be a debate about this. About tax cuts. And revenues. And all the stuff.

And I get it. Baseline. CBO. All these different things. I'm just telling you, Glenn, as objectively as I can, I look at the math, and I look at how you factor in economic growth, which I'm doing. Factor in revenues. And expenditures.

And what we're doing, on mandatory spending.

Which is not enough.

The fact that we're only repealing half of the green new scam, if we're lucky.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Medicaid. To go to illegals. Because of some arcane center rules.

The fact that we're continuing to allow Obamacare subsidies to fund transgender surgeries.

The fact that we're going to -- in my estimation, have probably a couple of trillion of deficit spending in the first four years.

Which means, you will have more interest.

Which means, it's going to stack up, all to get savings, in five years.

That's not what you and I signed up for.

Now, I'm looking at this, trying to say, okay.

The president wants tax cuts. So does I.

The president wants borders, so do I.

I think the president wants us to repeal the entire Green New scam. I think the president wants us to get good reforms. Be careful.

Like handle Medicaid appropriately, and all of that, for our American citizens that depend on it.

But we haven't delivered. Because the Senate has a bunch of people in it, who don't want to deliver, and they are hiding behind the parliamentarian, and they're delivering the product that I didn't come to Washington, to sign up for, Glenn.

GLENN: All right. So let me ask you this. They're hiding behind the parliamentarian.

Is that -- I mean, they -- they say, there was a change in the bill, because of the Medicare paid to the illegals. And the parliamentarian said you have to keep it in there. Some arcane rule or whatever.

Couldn't the Senate Republicans just ignore that?

Is it fair -- what?

CHIP: They could overrule the parliamentarian. They could make a change, if they wanted to do so.

GLENN: Right.

CHIP: Now, some of these things take 60 votes. If they want to address this, they can address it.

But the real issue here is that behind the closed doors, what you know, is that there are senators, who don't want to make the reforms.

Don't want to make the changes. They're making their own policy choices. Based on what they want.

Right? You've got Lisa Murkowski right now. Instead of wanting to reform Medicaid, she wants to get a special carve-out for additional spending, for people in Alaska.

You've got, you know, Tillis. You've got others. They want us to go the wrong direction, when it comes to Medicaid reform.

And, Glenn. I've got to be honest. How many times have you and I been on the phone over the last decade, talking about shutdowns by discretionary spending. Like every two years.

GLENN: Oh, I know.

CHIP: Countless times. Every time we have one of those fights. The people of this town say, Chip, you need to shut up because the real problem is mandatory spending. Medicare, Social Security, and Medicaid.

It's not fighting over all this stuff. You're wasting all our time.

I didn't think it was a waste of our time.

I didn't think we should be funding weaponized government.

I didn't think we should continue to jack up spending for the alphabet soup of regulations in America.

But I said, okay. Guys, here we are.

We are going to do this reconciliation package. We will reform Medicaid, right? We ended up fighting like cats and dogs to get the reforms, the work requirements we got out of the House. It was good. Not great.

The Senate, now they're working through it. And they are fighting every inch. And it got actually a little better in certain respects, thank to Rick Scott.

He's been fighting hard. Mike Lee, Ron Johnson. We've got a little bit more of what's called provider taxes. But overall, we're not meeting the moment.

We're not getting enough Medicaid reform.

We're getting watered down, somewhat on illegals. How about missed taxes, Glenn?

We passed a measure in the House, to tax money going from America, so people going here illegally back to their own country.

The Senate -- it's crazy!

GLENN: Why? Why? Why?

CHIP: Because they don't like the policies, Glenn. Because here's the thing, there are bankers. Banks. Who came here and said, guys, this would be really hard on us.

If we had to enforce this policy.

Money flowing from our banks and institutions.

Mexico.

And Columbia.

And places. We really need a carve out, so the banks won't be taxed by this, and then they will go.

It would be way too burdensome on the people who come here and they're working hard, and they want to spend money on their families. But you and I both have a heart for what people face. And want to say, hey, I get it. You've got an honest person here, who is following the law, who came here illegally. They want to send money back home to their country. They can still do that. They can still find a way to do that, but we're taxing. Instead of saying, no, we're not going to do it.

But the biggest thing at the end of the day. Deficits go up, and I didn't sign up for deficits to go up.

GLENN: So you're not going to vote for them?

You're not voting for this.

CHIP: I can't. I cannot vote for this as it's currently structured. If we can come to some agreement.

And, Glenn, this is important.

The president rightly wants us to find a way to get a bill up. I get that. And I want to deliver. For six months, I've been busting my butt.

I voted for a bill that came out of the house, that I didn't like. It wasn't good enough. But I thought it was an important step.

I worked to come up with a budget framework with Jerry Harrington and others, to figure out, how to get this done and get it out of the House.

I think we made progress. We did get Medicaid reforms that are good. We did get some tightening down on the green new scam, and others didn't want to do it.

But we are now fighting a Senate that's watering down important stuff.

And importantly, the way they tax to spend policies. Overall, I can't look at this any way objectively, without telling my voters, the people that sent me to Washington to represent them. That the deficits will go up.

Now, last point, the president and the administration will say, look, guys, don't worry about that. We'll make it up with tariffs, and we will pay higher economic growth. Well, two things.

Number one, on the economic growth front, we assumed growth in our bill, Glenn.

We assumed 2.6 percent growth.

Now, you might say, well, gosh, we need three or four. Yeah, but we have to do a ten-year budget. 2.6 percent growth is a lot higher than what we've been experiencing the last two decades on average.

We picked a sweet spot of 2.6 percent growth. It is true, that if we have 4 percent growth for a decade, we will have much more of it.

I hope that's true. You hope that's true.

And if it is true, then great. It's gravy, that will give us money to buy down the debt. And save money. And get the deficits down further.

But I can't budget to two and a half percent. Sitting at 2 percent growth

It would be irresponsible.

GLENN: So I'm with you, Chip. I'm with you. And I've said this for a long time -- the Republicans are going to lose. They are going to lose, and they're going to lose because you're just not delivering for the American people, what you promised you would.

Donald Trump seems to be.

You know, at least he is trying.

He's doing a lot of the things he promised he would do.

I don't see that happening with the Republicans.

And so, you know, I don't know what -- what the midterm is going to look like.

But I will tell you this. He has to have that tax cut passed.

He's got to have it.

If we don't get that tax cut. Everything the Republicans have been trying to do. Or the Republican voters have wanted.

It's over. It's over.

Because the economy will spiral out of control without that tax cut. Agree or disagree?

CHIP: So I agree we must deliver on the tax cut. And I believe we will. When push comes to shove, there's no way we will get to December, and not provide an extension of tax cuts, that were so important in 2017.

Now, I'll remind everybody, the corporate rates were made permanent already.

Right?

What we're talking about dealing with is the expiration of certain personal tax issues. Marginal rate. But also child tax credit. Also standard deduction, et cetera. Now, I'm not sure.

I've got different views, on different ones of those policies.

Overall, we want to ensure, this stays in the pockets of the American people.

We have to deliver on that.

I will tell you this, if we don't address the inflation tax.

If we don't address the extent to which people are fleeing the American bond markets.

Because we are so irresponsible.

Then we're going to be doing a disservice to our kids and grandkids who can't afford a house.

They can't afford a house because the mortgage rates are too high.

GLENN: They can't afford it now, Chip.

They can't afford it now.

CHIP: So I think what we need to do, is I'm prepared to go back to the drawing board today. I want to go home tomorrow, or the next day.
Let's just get busy. We've been working on it.

Let's tighten down some of the spending.
Let's tweak what we've been doing and get the tax policy done. Get it set. Let's go back to the House bill, for example, that we passed.

It was a good, solid bill.

And get the Senate to adopt it, and pass it.

Or make some modest changes. But we have to get rid of some of these ridiculous things. Like Medicaid for illegal aliens, like pork that's going to Alaska.

Like specific giveaways.

And, you know, get rid of those things.

Go back to the House bill.

Make sure the inflation act is getting terminated.

Deliver on the tax cuts. Deliver on the border.

Deliver for the president.

I'm prepared to do that. But I will not swallow a crappy bill because the Senate tries to jam me with it.

GLENN: I have to tell you, I don't know how it's unpopular to say, no. We're not giving illegals any Medicare.

We're not.

Do you remember -- who was it, when we were in Congress. Barack Obama talked about Obamacare. He said, you lie!

Joe Wilson, wasn't it?

And everybody had a cow. Well, look at what we're doing. Look at what we're doing.

Look at what we're giving illegals.

The answer is no.

No, no, no, no. And I don't understand how that is not so simple.

I don't understand any Republican that doesn't understand, the green new deal, no! No!

USAID. No!

DOGE. Cut it. Why can't they see what -- I mean -- there is -- I mean to tell you, Chip. I don't mean to take this out on you. You're one of the good guys. You're trying to do this.

We're in between a rock and a hard place.

The president has to have what the president needs. To get the economy going.

We wait until January. You're right on top of the midterms.

You have -- the president is not turning this economy around, fast enough.

Because he can't get anyone in Congress to do Jack crap on anything!

You need to cut the freaking spending. And the waste. And the garbage.

And I tell you, I am with Elon Musk 100 percent.

100 percent.

You are one of these weasel Republicans, who don't -- who just go along, and just be like, you know what, we're going to have another five or $6 trillion to our debt.

I'm done. I'm done.

And Elon has said, I will -- if it's the last thing I do. I will make sure that none of these people get reelected. That's not going to be good.

That's not going to be good. For the republic.

Let alone, the Republican parties.

But, you know what, I've had enough. I've had enough.

And I think the American people have too.

CHIP: Well, Glenn, I will tell you this, July 4th is obviously Friday, Independence Day. Two hundred forty-nine years ago, and we already celebrated. We celebrate their courage. We celebrate Lexington and Concord.

We celebrate all the things -- we celebrate the men that stormed the beaches in Normandy.

And we celebrate all of the great courage that our men in women in uniform have done to fight in this country. How can I say, no, sorry, I'll have to vote for this bill, because there will be some political pressure.

When I regale the boys at the Alamo, sitting there, taking bullets. Knowing they were going to die.

But ran into a wall of bullets in Normandy.

Look, we have to deliver.

We have no choice. We all agree on that.

I'm sure I'm going to get labeled, you know, a -- any number of things.

That I'm not delivering on the president's agenda, that I'm jamming up a bill. Look, and I get it.

And I won't get defensive about it. The president wants this bill. And he is right to want this bill.

The Congress has to deliver a bill worth sending them. And I'm prepared to stay here, until we do.

But I won't vote for a bill, because I'm told I have to. Because a bunch of losers who are swamp creatures, who want pork and giveaways. Who don't have the cojones to stand up and deliver for the American people. And to actually reduce spending, and not hide behind parliamentaries. Not hide behind tax cuts.

They want to hide behind a tax cut, to tell me at the border, to tell me, you have to vote for this bill. Don't worry about this spending.

No, kiss my ass.

I will stand up and fight for the border and the tax cuts and the spending cuts. We've got to do it!

STU: It was very reminiscent of Daniel Boone there for just a second. Or I'm sorry. Not -- Davey Crockett, not Daniel Boone.

So thank you for that. Chip, God bless. Have a great holiday. Stand -- stand firm in what you believe in.

And just keep the fight. I appreciate the attitude that you have towards the president.

Give the president what he needs. Fight for the president, what he's asking for.

But you got to fight the swamp at the same time. Have to. Have to. Thank you, Chip. Appreciate it.

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