RADIOMarch 28, 2025

Could This Change Everything About the JFK Assassination?

When Glenn went to the Side X Side Ranch in Oklahoma to test the Warren Commission’s JFK assassination verdict, he didn’t expect it to turn out like this. Glenn speaks with the ranch’s founder and co-owner, Scott Robertson, about what they discovered: If Glenn could make the shots, then Lee Harvey Oswald probably could. But all 3 were grouped very close together. So, why was the “magic bullet” narrative so different?

Transcript

Below is a rush transcript that may contain errors

GLENN: Welcome to the Glenn Beck Program. We're spending more time on the JFK files and the show that I did last night. Jibs I think it tells you everything you need to know about what's happening today. And you won't understand that, until you really watch the show. It is -- I think this is a direct replay of what happened during the Kennedy times. And possibly what happened during Nixon's tenure.

And what's happening right now, to Donald Trump.

And it is so important that you understand this.

Because you will understand why people are protesting!

In the streets. Why this non-grassroots or as Nancy Pelosi would say, AstroTurf protests are coming up.

So -- so quickly, and so oddly, with something like USAID.

You'll figure that out, as you watch the special last night.

But at the end of the special, and it's only available on Blaze TV right now, is -- is when I went out, and fired an exact copy of -- what's his name?

Oswald's gun. Same gun. We don't know of another one like it.

Because it has the exact same modifications that Oswald made to his. And we shot the exact same bullets. The rounds.

These were about $40 a piece. Because they were antique. I mean, we literally went and got the same bullets from the same batch.

To see. What would happen.

We made a few shots with that.

And then the gun. The firing pin went bad. So I had to switch guns.

But it's the same kind of thing. And I think I had a harder shot than even Oswald did.

And you'll see what happened. But where we did this was at the, side by side ranch. This was in Oklahoma. And it's an unbelievable shooting ranch.

I mean, it's just -- I mean, I was up there. And I said to Scott, the owner. I said, I think. I think I would like to live here, quite honestly.

It is an unbelievable place, if you're into shooting or anything else. You should check this out. But Scott is the owner of it.

Now, let me just tell you who he is first.

Before we talk to him.

He began shooting at seven. Because his dad was a member of the Air Force competitive trap team. And he was a great trap shooter, inductee of the California State Trap Hall of Fame, blah, blah. He was also a professional coach and instructor. He was the first team captain for Team USA in 1985. Now, his son becomes a competitive shooter. This Scott. I'm introducing you to here in a second. He was a professional shooter for Beretta firearms for 28 years.

I've seen him through his exhibition events. And they are -- I mean, it's almost like Annie Oakley, where you throw a quarter up and he shoots it. I mean, he does that. He's in the Sporting Place Hall of Fame, won over 14 national championships. He's a current national record holder in the small gauge champion. Eight world championships. Named to all 54 American teams in trap. He's also the only competitive clay target athlete in the history of American sporting place.

Twenty-five years running, to average over 90 percent consistently. The guy is really good.

But what has he done with his life?

I don't know. Not much. Here's Scott Robinson.

Scott, welcome to the program.

SCOTT: Thanks, Glenn. Thanks for having me. First of all, you're too good of a shot to have sat in that tractor, that I was shooting at to re-create the -- the Oswald shot. I don't know why you did that. We were asking, you want to get some more, a longer chain?

Because I don't know.

And you didn't. But thank you for pulling the tractor, and pulling that car. Tell me about the shot. Go ahead. Geo

SCOTT: Well, Glenn, we have to give your audience, a little context. Right?

You don't have me on because I'm a good shooter. You have me on because I'm the only one crazy enough to get into the tractor.
(laughter)

GLENN: Yes.

SCOTT: You know, the reason I'm here really, is because I do have a gun club. Excuse me, a mile from Blaze Studio's.

And I'm the guy that you call when you have one of those hair brained ideas. If you remember, a couple years ago. Remember you came with the gun chain saw, multi purpose, whatever that zombie thing was.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah, it was great.

SCOTT: So, you know -- and then last week, my -- my -- who happens to be my best friend. Said, hey, Glenn's guy called, and they wanted to recreate the JFK deal.

And I went, oh, crap.

Glenn, you're that friend, that when people call, you're like how much time and money?
(laughter)

STU: Sorry.

I'm sorry, Scott.

SCOTT: You know, Jason calls. And we have three days to re-create the deal.

And come up with an elevated platform.

They want a moving target. You know, it has to have -- but you're left-handed. And the right-handed gun.

Oh, my gosh. So when Jason gets up there earlier. He says, well, how long is your chain?

I said, I don't know. Well, we could put some together.

So I put the 20-foot bat wing up on the tractor. And then a 20-foot chain. And he goes, I don't know that that's long enough. So we had another chain. And with the angle, I couldn't hardly get it long.

GLENN: I know. That lost shot.

I mean, if I were a bad shot, the last shot, I mean, was not good for you. Let's put it that way.

SCOTT: Well, I just want you to know, when you turn to the staff. And you guys say, hey, what do you think about this know.

When they pause, that's pretty much them saying to their boss. Boss, this is a really dumb idea.
(laughter)
Okay.

GLENN: Right. Okay.

SCOTT: I want you to think about this.

GLENN: But as it turns out. Right.

SCOTT: Glenn, that sounds great. That's them saying, this is a really bad idea.

GLENN: Right. But as it turned out, it wasn't. Was it? Was it?

SCOTT: Well, I want you to know. I want you to know. I am proud of you. Because you always said, do your own homework. And from the last time I saw you shoot, a couple years ago at the range. You had been doing your homework.

And I am sincerely impressed.

GLENN: Wow.

SCOTT: This was -- you know, those shots that we did, first of all, you did prove that the shot could be made.

I mean, I didn't think it could be made before you did it.

And so I think, you know -- we proved that the shot could be made.

I don't know -- I'm still not convinced that's how it went down. But that's my own --

GLENN: Right. But we did rule this out.

Because I have heard my whole life, oh, it's a very difficult shot. Probably -- I mean, very few people could make that shot.

I made that shot.

And I think the shot I made was more difficult.

We had the wind against us.

And we also -- it wasn't a paved street the car was on. That truck was bumping. Going up and down all the time. That was a difficult shot. And I don't consider myself a decent shooter with rifles and scopes.

SCOTT: Well, I will tell you, I am impressed, because I -- first of all, I'm in this tractor. And I'm thinking.

I'm not sure this is a good idea.

Now, you have to understand, I do lots of sketchy shots.

I do all kinds of crazy stuff.

GLENN: Right. Right.

SCOTT: So if I'm a little nervous.

That's pretty -- that's pretty sketchy.

GLENN: Yeah.

SCOTT: So you're up on this tower, with six or eight people.

You know, I've been instructed with this big lift. And it's wobbly.

And then the radio, and JASE is like, well, the radio is hot.

And I'm looking to what seems to be down the barrel.

With you up there. Okay. I'm really hoping that Glenn has been practicing. But, anyway, I'm pulling this truck, at 11 miles an hour.

And it's in one of my fields.

So it's bouncing up and down.

Those balloons had to be bouncing probably ten to 12 inches. And I'm thinking, we're going to have to do this, ten times today. Right?

This is going to take ten takes.

And then I look back, and I see the first balloon explode.

And then I say, good for you. You've got one.

We can always go to B roll.

Then you hit the next balloon.

Then the truck is bouncing like crazy.

Because there's a lag between the second shot and the third shot.

Then I see the third balloon explode.

And I'm like, I'm not believing this.

I mean, I'm impressed.

It's not an easy shot.

But even more, the way that we had to do it with the moving vehicle. And up and down.

GLENN: Right.

So I think we both can say, if I could do that, Oswald, the only thing he had that I didn't have, was the pressure of killing the president.

All the nerves. But I'm also left-handed. Right-handed gun.

You know, we had other things going on. That balanced things out.

So I really believe he could have made the shot.

Now, tell what we found at the end, that bothered you, that you brought up.

SCOTT: Well, what was interesting was the grouping in the -- so the bullet went back -- went through the balloon. Which represented, you know, the target.

GLENN: The head.

SCOTT: It went through the windshield. Or excuse me, the back glass.

Then all three bullets lodged in a very small group in the front windshield.

So first thing I thought was interesting, is how offset it was. It wasn't on the right side of the car. It was on the left side of the car.

So that was just interesting with the angle.

Because we pretty much had the exact angles that -- that it would have been in downtown Dallas.

The other thing that I found interesting, was that even though, the truck was moving.

And there was a distance.

We had the balloons lined up in such a way. Stagnated in the car. And what was interesting, was that all of the bullets landed in the front windshield in a small enough group, that really asked more questions, than we answered. Right? Like, why was the guy in the -- why was the driver not hit?

Why was the passenger not hit more than one time?

Right. So a lot of these things were weird.

And so it really --

STU: The way it came out with us. The driver should have been killed. The driver absolutely should have been at least hit.

But could have been killed.

The way we did it. It was too high up. Because it wasn't six stories up.

We were about two. And so it would have gone up into his back. Instead of what we had.

It would have gone right through his head.

But I went through the Warren commission.

And it said that the first bullet landed in the street someplace.

It was such a bad shot. It didn't even enter the car. Just landed in the street. And the kid was hit by a piece of the curb. That broke off and hit him.

And the -- the head shot, they say, that the head shot, the bullet completely disintegrated and broke up.

So they've never found any pieces of that bullet. Is that even possible?

SCOTT: Well, no. One of these days, you should research the Bill Cooper video. That's the one that makes more logical sense to me.

But, you know, that's way whole 'nother conspiracy, if you -- if you watched that video, it does make more sense, that he was actually shot with a CIA air pistol. And, you know, there was also a bullet, that's why they had to change the brain out in Dallas.

So, you know, I tend to kind come up with more in that deal. But the real question, when you start looking at the ballistics of it, is when you shot that shot, the first shot being a miss.

I don't really buy that. Because how does a guy make two shots in a head, at twice the distance of the first shot. And the first shot is not -- because that first shot, you have to admit, that was probably the easiest shot.

Right?

GLENN: Oh, it's easy. Yeah. I was more concerned about the other one. It was at a steeper angle. It was difficult.

SCOTT: 100 percent. So if Oswald is good enough to hit the president, one in the neck and one in the head. You're telling me, that he's going to completely miss the car, when in your scope, all you would see is car? It doesn't make any sense, right? So it's kind of hard to believe that the first shot was a miss.

I don't -- you know, and then when we start looking at the angles and the ballistics of what we did, I have to ask more questions, because it just doesn't make any sense. It -- you don't have a miss and then you have two good shots like that.

And then the angle of it. How was the passenger hit, and not the driver?

It's just a lot of questions there.

GLENN: So, Scott, I've only got less than a minute here. I just wanted to say -- and you might say, I -- I'm not sure that's a really good idea. But I would like to re-create the Butler shooting. Because that just seems like the easiest shot of all time, compared to -- compared to Oswald. That seems simple. Really simple.

SCOTT: Well, not only simple. The other shooting, yes, I would like to do that with you, because I think we will find in Butler. That we could take anybody off the street, and they would make that shot, 99 percent out of hundred.

GLENN: Yep. Yep. Yep. Scott, thank you so much. I appreciate it.

SCOTT: You bet, Glenn.

GLENN: He's the owner of Elm Fork Shooting Sports, and also Side-by-Side Ranch, founder and co-owner. And I just can't thank you enough, Scott.

We'll talk to you again. All right.

Shocking train video: Passengers wait while woman bleeds out

Surveillance footage of the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska in Charlotte, NC, reveals that the other passengers on the train took a long time to help her. Glenn, Stu, and Jason debate whether they were right or wrong to do so.

Transcript

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GLENN: You know, I'm -- I'm torn on how I feel about the people on the train.

Because my first instinct is, they did nothing! They did nothing! Then my -- well, sit down and, you know -- you know, you're going to be judged. So be careful on judging others.

What would I have done? What would I want my wife to do in that situation?

STU: Yeah. Are those two different questions, by the way.

GLENN: Yeah, they are.

STU: I think they go far apart from each other. What would I want myself to do. I mean, it's tough to put yourself in a situation. It's very easy to watch a video on the internet and talk about your heroism. Everybody can do that very easily on Twitter. And everybody is.

You know, when you're in a vehicle that doesn't have an exit with a guy who just murdered somebody in front of you, and has a dripping blood off of a knife that's standing 10 feet away from you, 15 feet away from you.

There's probably a different standard there, that we should all kind of consider. And maybe give a little grace to what I saw at least was a woman, sitting across the -- the -- the aisle.

I think there is a difference there. But when you talk about that question. Those two questions are definitive.

You know, I know what I would want myself to do. I would hope I would act in a way that didn't completely embarrass myself afterward.

But I also think, when I'm thinking of my wife. My advice to my wife would not be to jump into the middle of that situation at all costs. She might do that anyway. She actually is a heck of a lot stronger than I am.

But she might do it anyway.

GLENN: How pathetic, but how true.

STU: Yes. But that would not be my advice to her.

GLENN: Uh-huh.

STU: Now, maybe once the guy has certainly -- is out of the area. And you don't think the moment you step into that situation. He will turn around and kill you too. Then, of course, obviously. Anything you can do to step in.

Not that there was much anyone on the train could do.

I mean, I don't think there was an outcome change, no matter what anyone on that train did.

Unfortunately.

But would I want her to step in?

Of course. If she felt she was safe, yes.

Think about, you said, your wife. Think about your daughter. Your daughter is on that train, just watching someone else getting murdered like that. Would you advise your daughter to jump into a situation like that?

That girl sitting across the aisle was somebody's daughter. I don't know, man.

JASON: I would. You know, as a dad, would I advise.

Hmm. No.

As a human being, would I hope that my daughter or my wife or that I would get up and at least comfort that woman while she's dying on the floor of a train?

Yeah.

I would hope that my daughter, my son, that I would -- and, you know, I have more confidence in my son or daughter or my wife doing something courageous more than I would.

But, you know, I think I have a more realistic picture of myself than anybody else.

And I'm not sure that -- I'm not sure what I would do in that situation. I know what I would hope I would do. But I also know what I fear I would do. But I would have hoped that I would have gotten up and at least tried to help her. You know, help her up off the floor. At least be there with her, as she's seeing her life, you know, spill out in under a minute.

And that's it other thing we have to keep in mind. This all happened so rapidly.

A minute is -- will seem like a very long period of time in that situation. But it's a very short period of time in real life.

STU: Yeah. You watch the video, Glenn. You know, I don't need the video to -- to change my -- my position on this.

But at his seem like there was a -- someone who did get there, eventually, to help, right? I saw someone seemingly trying to put pressure on her neck.

GLENN: Yeah. And tried to give her CPR.

STU: You know, no hope at that point. How long of a time period would you say that was?

Do you know off the top of your head?

GLENN: I don't know. I don't know. I know that we watched the video that I saw. I haven't seen past 30 seconds after she --

STU: Yeah.

GLENN: -- is down. And, you know, for 30 seconds nothing is happening. You know, that is -- that is not a very long period of time.

STU: Right.

GLENN: In reality.

STU: And especially, I saw the pace he was walking. He certainly can't be -- you know, he may have left the actual train car by 30 seconds to a minute. But he wasn't that far away. Like he was still in visual.

He could still turn around and look and see what's going on at that point. So certainly still a threat is my point. He has not, like, left the area. This is not that type of situation.

You know, I -- look, as you point out, I think if I could be super duper sexist for a moment here, sort of my dividing line might just be men and women.

You know, I don't know if it's that a -- you're not supposed to say that, I suppose these days. But, like, there is a difference there. If I'm a man, you know, I would be -- I would want my son to jump in on that, I suppose. I don't know if he could do anything about it. But you would expect at least a grown man to be able to go in there and do something about it. A woman, you know, I don't know.

Maybe I'm -- I hope --

GLENN: Here's the thing I -- here's the thing that I -- that causes me to say, no. You should have jumped in.

And that is, you know, you've already killed one person on the train. So you've proven that you're a killer. And anybody who would have screamed and got up and was with her, she's dying. She's dying. Get him. Get him.

Then the whole train is responsible for stopping that guy. You know. And if you don't stop him, after he's killed one person, if you're not all as members of that train, if you're not stopping him, you know, the person at the side of that girl would be the least likely to be killed. It would be the ones that are standing you up and trying to stop him from getting back to your daughter or your wife or you.

JASON: There was a -- speaking of men and women and their roles in this. There was a video circling social media yesterday. In Sweden. There was a group of officials up on a stage. And one of the main. I think it was health official woman collapses on stage. Completely passes out.

All the men kind of look away. Or I don't know if they're looking away. Or pretending that they didn't know what was going on. There was another woman standing directly behind the woman passed out.

Immediately springs into action. Jumps on top. Grabs her pant leg. Grabs her shoulder. Spins her over and starts providing care.

What did she have that the other guys did not? Or women?

She was a sheepdog. There is a -- this is my issue. And I completely agree with Stu. I completely agree with you. There's some people that do not respond this way. My issue is the proportion of sheepdogs versus people that don't really know how to act. That is diminishing in western society. And American society.

We see it all the time in these critical actions. I mean, circumstances.

There are men and women, and it's actually a meme. That fantasize about hoards of people coming to attack their home and family. And they sit there and say, I've got it. You guys go. I'm staying behind, while I smoke my cigarette and wait for the hoards to come, because I will sacrifice myself. There are men and women that fantasize of block my highway. Go ahead. Block my highway. I'm going to do something about it. They fantasize about someone holding up -- not a liquor store. A convenience store or something. Because they will step in and do something. My issue now is that proportion of sheepdogs in society is disappearing. Just on statistical fact, there should be one within that train car, and there were none.

STU: Yeah. I mean --

JASON: They did not respond.

STU: We see what happens when they do, with Daniel Penny. Our society tries to vilify them and crush their existence. Now, there weren't that many people on that train. Right?

At least on that car. At least it's limited. I only saw three or four people there, there may have been more. I agree with you, though. Like, you see what happens when we actually do have a really recent example of someone doing exactly what Jason wants and what I would want a guy to do. Especially a marine to step up and stop this from happening. And the man was dragged by our legal system to a position where he nearly had to spend the rest of his life in prison.

I mean, I -- it's insanity. Thankfully, they came to their senses on that one.

GLENN: Well, the difference between that one and this one though is that the guy was threatening. This one, he killed somebody.

STU: Yeah. Right. Well, but -- I think -- but it's the opposite way. The debate with Penny, was should he have recognize that had this person might have just been crazy and not done anything?

Maybe. He hadn't actually acted yet. He was just saying things.

GLENN: Yeah. Well --

STU: He didn't wind up stabbing someone. This is a situation where these people have already seen what this man will do to you, even when you don't do anything to try to stop him. So if this woman, who is, again, looks to be an average American woman.

Across the aisle. Steps in and tries to do something. This guy could easily turn around and just make another pile of dead bodies next to the one that already exists.

And, you know, whether that is an optimal solution for our society, I don't know that that's helpful.

In that situation.

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Max Lucado on Overcoming Grief in Dark Times | The Glenn Beck Podcast | Ep 266

Disclaimer: This episode was filmed prior to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. But Glenn believes Max's message is needed now more than ever.
The political world is divided, constantly at war with itself. In many ways, our own lives are not much different. Why do we constantly focus on the negative? Why are we in pain? Where is God amid our anxiety and fear? Why can’t we ever seem to change? Pastor Max Lucado has found the solution: Stop thinking like that! It may seem easier said than done, but Max joins Glenn Beck to unpack the three tools he describes in his new book, “Tame Your Thoughts,” that make it easy for us to reset the way we think back to God’s factory settings. In this much-needed conversation, Max and Glenn tackle everything from feeling doubt as a parent to facing unfair hardships to ... UFOs?! Plus, Max shares what he recently got tattooed on his arm.

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Are Demonic Forces to Blame for Charlie Kirk, Minnesota & Charlotte Killings?

This week has seen some of the most heinous actions in recent memory. Glenn has been discussing the growth of evil in our society, and with the assassination of civil rights leader Charlie Kirk, the recent transgender shooter who took the lives of two children at a Catholic school, and the murder of Ukrainian refugee Iryna Zarutska, how can we make sense of all this evil? On today's Friday Exclusive, Glenn speaks with BlazeTV host of "Strange Encounters" Rick Burgess to discuss the demon-possessed transgender shooter and the horrific assassination of Charlie Kirk. Rick breaks down the reality of demon possession and how individuals wind up possessed. Rick and Glenn also discuss the dangers of the grotesque things we see online and in movies, TV shows, and video games on a daily basis. Rick warns that when we allow our minds to be altered by substances like drugs or alcohol, it opens a door for the enemy to take control. A supernatural war is waging in our society, and it’s a Christian’s job to fight this war. Glenn and Rick remind Christians of what their first citizenship is.