RADIOOctober 24, 2023

Former DEI head exposes TRUTH about 'inclusion' on woke college campuses

Back in 2021, Tabia Lee, EdD, was head of the Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion (DEI) department at Silicon Valley’s De Anza College. At the time, she thought DEI was actually about inclusion. But almost immediately, she discovered the truth: "It was like I was in the Twilight Zone." She tells Glenn that it only took two weeks for some of her fellow staff members to call her a "dirty zionist" who was "supporting white supremacy." On top of that, she was told by many people, including Jewish students, that there was a problem with anti-Semitism on campus, despite its alleged commitment to inclusion. Now, she is a senior fellow at Do No Harm Medicine and has decided to expose the dangerous way American colleges have started to view "social justice."

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GLENN: I am always encouraged by people that are willing, when they learn something to change. Too many are not. And that includes people like me. I have learned things. And if you are honestly seeking knowledge. You're honestly seeking truth, you're bound to change from time to time. It's essential, that you do. Otherwise, you get stuck in old thinking.

And you -- you lose the ability to help, really, quite honestly.

Dr. Tabia Lee, she was the head of a college DEI program. So you would immediately say, gee, Glenn, why are you having Dr. Tabia Lee on?

Because she's somebody who went in, and found that this is really harmful. This is not actually making sure all voices are heard. And she left, and has been in a lawsuit. With her former college. But I wanted to talk to her, because, A, I respect her. B, she's also talking about anti-Semitism on the campus. Dr. Tabia Lee, welcome to the program.

TABIA: Hi, Glenn. Thank you for having me today.

GLENN: You bet.

This must be weird because I bet you never thought, I would never find myself one morning hanging out with Glenn Beck.

TABIA: Absolutely.

GLENN: Yeah. Right. So -- so, Doctor, tell me what your experience was?

TABIA: Yes. You know, when I was hired at the college, as a faculty director, it was after many years of working in higher education as a part-timer, if you will. You know, after I got my doctorate, those job offers for the tenure track, just didn't come pouring in like I thought they would. But one silver lining of the pandemic for me was that all of these positions opened up. And, you know, colleges needed extra hands, if you will. And I was one of those folks that was hired on.

And it was a job responsibility and title that everyone always had said, Lee, you need to be a director somewhere. You don't just need to be in your classroom anymore. You need to share your knowledge with the wider group of colleagues and impacts in institutions. And this was a job that provided me with an opportunity to do that position as a faculty member.

And so the things that took place almost immediately, as I began to do my work. Let me know that I was in an environment, that I had never been in before. And it was like I was in a -- in a Twilight Zone almost. It was immediate. But within two weeks after starting. Starting my work.

GLENN: So when you took the lead role on DEI, what did you think it was?

TABIA: So this was a position to lead an institution-wide transformation around topics, which was my office role -- equity, social justice, and multi-cultural education.

And when I interviewed for it, it was a lengthy process. And, you know, I was very forthright with them about who I was. And they kind of revealed to me, some of their main points. One of the things they said, was the panel said, was, you know, the office you'll be working for. They're a little too woke.

And, you know, that's why we're looking for someone to come in and bring a balance. And I said, well, can you tell me what you mean by woke? Because people use words all the time. And they have different meanings for them.

So I'm always looking for what is someone actually talking about?

And they said, well, when faculty goes to your office. You know, if you're selected as a candidate, they feel uncomfortable.

They're accused of being racists. They're told that they're teaching wrong. And so a lot of faculty doesn't engage.

And I said, well, based on that, that you're telling me, I'm definitely not woke. What I seek to do, I seek to bring people together. From diversion perspectives. And, you know, to identify points of commonality. Even if we seem really different, I think we can always find a way to relate to our students. So that was my statement.

And from that, I advanced to the next stage.

And I did even a teaching demonstration for them on calling people in, instead of calling out.

And so everything was focused on that point that they raised, about the negativity coming from the office. And I was selected for that position. And I was delighted to be selected.

Because this was again, you know, things I focus on. An opportunity to bring people together in dialogue. And make a positive change in the community.

GLENN: How long did it take you before you were called the wrong kind of black person? Or, quoting, a dirty -- dirty Zionist?

TABIA: Oh, yes. So that was within two weeks. You know, as I started off, Glenn. I don't assume I know anything. Or that I have a solution going in. I want to see what people on the ground are saying. So I did over 60 hours of needs assessment conversations with faculties, administrators, staff.

And during this, one of the first ones was with one of my staff members. And they told me that, you know, this job, they were a final candidate. This job should have been theirs. And they said, you know, they don't know who I am or what my commitment to equity is. And, you know, why I come in and scooped this out from under them. But they assured me that I would have a rough road ahead of me.

And from that, that was the same person who a couple weeks after that initial meeting with them, while I was meeting with my team. We had already had some kind of informal meetings. You know, and it just seemed like they were a very casual group. And remember, I needed to do some strategic planning. To do an institutionalized transformation. So I wanted to bring some structure. So I said, it's been great meeting with everybody, you know, the past couple of weeks and so forth. Just tell me a little bit about how you all take notes. How do you, you know, track what you've done in the past, what you're doing in the future? And they said, we just kind of meet and we talk once a week.

And I said, well, I've made this Google Doc, and all of us can edit it.

And you can put in ideas for agendas, and some -- maybe you can tell me some of your projects that you're working on. And I can see where I can fit in. And the same person who told me, my job should have been theirs, they said, stop what you're doing right now.

And I was like, kind of taken aback. I said, okay. What? I said, okay. I'm listening.

And he said, what you're doing right now, is you're white speaking. You're white explaining. And you're supporting white supremacy, and we don't do that here.

And I said, excuse me?

GLENN: Wow. And you're African-American. Right? This, I just want --

TABIA: Yeah. Yeah. And I've worked in education my whole life, Glenn.

No teacher -- I've never been in a meeting where someone called another person a white-speaking, white-explaining. And said they're a white supremacist. And I'm from the Central Valley here in California.

I grew up there. Small town called Loney. And there, when I -- when you hear white supremacist, it's actually like KKK members. White nationalist socialists, is what that refers to. And so I was deeply offended. And everyone on the call, you know, had these smug looks on their faces.

And I said, you know, I haven't come in here, saying -- calling anyone names.

You know, I said, this is -- I feel very uncomfortable, what you said.

And I just explained to them, what I explained to you. Where I'm from. How I heard that used.

And everyone on the call had these looks of condemnation, as though I was offending the person who said those offensive words to me.

GLENN: I know this story.

TABIA: This is -- yes. And I -- and I took it back to my dean, you know, afterwards. And I said, hey. This happened. And affect was flat. She had no response.

And I said, you know, I'm real uncomfortable. Normally I'd be the person who would do some kind of team building. Or, you know, a communications exercise. I said, but I'm the target. I said, I need you to bring someone in, to talk to this team about, you know, in-group bias. And how do you let the new person in, and how do you talk to each other, you know, in a civil way?

And then -- and I need this to be repaired. I said, because this -- we can't communicate this way. This is not normal to me. It's very abnormal.

She never brought anyone in. And I said her, if she would come in. And then she ended up being one of the main instigators as well. So that was the environment that started off with my supervising dean. And my team. You know, being called a white supremacist. And, you know -- and I didn't know what they meant, until many weeks later.

You know, I saw they -- I started going to their workshops. And I kept seeing this live pop up. And it said, white supremacy culture characteristics. And one time it had a citation on it.

So I was able to find the white paper where it came from. But it had things, Glenn, like being on time, being objective, setting an agenda.

GLENN: Yeah. Yeah.

TABIA: Yeah. And these are like personality characteristics. And I said, what is that -- but at our California community colleges that's being held up as a framework for people to work from. And they call it that they're dismantling a white supremacy. And the way they're doing it is by not elevating those characteristics. And I guess, castigating anyone who demonstrate does them. And to me, all the characteristics were things I had always taught my students to do to be successful in life. They're not white supremacy. You know, these are just -- so I just -- that's how it started. That's how it started. And from there, it -- at every turn, it was becoming clear that I was working from a different understanding of social justice, you know, from them.

GLENN: Right.

TABIA: And I had to really figure that out while I was in it, which was an interesting thing. Because, again, all my institutions I worked at before, you know, they used the classical definition, you know, hindsight is 2020.

But here, they were using a critical definition. And it was this focus on claiming that America is a nation founded by white supremacy.

That's one of their core things that they -- was even the academic Senate made a resolution stating that. And I pushed back on that. That made me an enemy again. I said, no, America was founded to me, and to others here.

And they're too afraid to speak, because the environment you all have created.

I said, it's founded on fairness and equality.

You know, whether we lived up to it or not. It's something we can all debate.

But I disagree. I said, America needs to know. We're rejecting that.

It sounded like, that's final. And they put that in the resolution, that the faculty signed.

GLENN: Wow. You are an absolute unicorn.
GLENN: Dr. Tabia Lee is with us.

She is a senior fellow now at Do No Harm Medicine. And she was at some universities, or some -- what would you call it? Just a college, or is it a technical college? I'm sorry, Tabia.

TABIA: This was a community college. California community college. Uh-huh.

GLENN: Community college. And you were experiencing, as the DEI director, you're experiencing, wow. They don't define things the same. Then you started noticing, because you were talking to students, what's happening. And several Jewish students came and said, I feel unsafe here. And what happened?

TABIA: Actually -- actually, this was during -- this was during my assessment conversation. This was conversations with faculty staff and administrators. Multiple times, it was mentioned that there was a problem with anti-Semitism on the campus. And they gave -- gave me several examples, like the academic starting for decades on Jewish high holy holidays. Stories were shared with me about things that happened before I came. Our student government basically subverted a effort of the Jewish student union to bring forth definition of anti-Semitism, the IHRA definition.

Instead, the student government ended up making a counterproposal. And then they made no definition of anti-Semitism, but they condemned Israel. And so that was very disappointing to the students. I also heard about the students being uncomfortable, because of anti-Semitic firing. This is all because before I got there. And people were sharing these stories with me. And telling me the environment of fear and exclusion. That had been created for Jewish opportunities. And I was on as part of my director responsibilities, a group called the Equity Action Council.

And what I discovered there, Glenn. They weren't focused on equity. To me, equity means fairness, the textbook definition. They were talking about something completely different.

And then they weren't focused on actions either. So it was a big time waster on the taxpayer dollar, and this group gets funding too.

And our local Halal director came here to the Equity Action Council. And they shared information about the uncomfortable environment for students, and they asked us, urged us to please ask. And they offered to assist. And they gave us some recommendations in written form because they said they had come and talked to several people before, and nothing ever happens. And they were hoping to see some changes. When we took these recommendations back to our team meetings, I said, wow. First, I'm offended by the way that one of the staff members, as these guests were talking. They were dropping resources into the chat box. Like here's a link to students for justice for Palestine. This was a good resource to learn about anti-Semitism. Here's a link to Jewish voices for peace and so forth. They were giving things -- resources that were antithetical to what the people were speaking about.

And I said, I found that disrespectful. And they said, well, it was disrespectful. You and your guests, they called it, were sharing resources. So we shared ours. And I said, okay.

GLENN: Oh, my gosh.

I should NEVER have said this about Donald Trump

Glenn Beck tells the story leading up to his criticism of Donald Trump after the 2015 "golden escalator" announcement, and why he now "really regrets" how he reacted.

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GLENN: The Trump that you see on TV that they are always mocking and always talking about is that flash of him as a performer. In real life, he is that really genteel, very kind, kind of guy.

Very personal. One on one.

It's an amazing thing.

They never see that. They never see that. But they --

STU: Yeah. You've told the story.

GLENN: Apparently -- apparently, because he tweets a lot. We need to buy a cowboy hat.

STU: Right. You told the story, Glenn of above before Trump was running for president.

You were staying at one of the Trump resorts. Right?

If I'm remembering the story. And didn't he call you, you know.

GLENN: And I misjudged him.

I misjudged him privilege think about this all the time.

I can't tell you how many times I've apologized to the man.

I so misjudged the man.

Because I didn't know anybody like him. And now that I've gotten to know him.

And I know people like him. And I've known him forever.

This is who he is. And so it was right before he announced, but we knew he was going to run.

And we had been friends for a while.

And I don't want to say friends. I mean, I don't think I'm a friend of his now. But I kind of am, I guess. He'll call me. We'll text each other. But so he was just -- he said to me, this is like, I don't know.

2010, or something. We met at a party for Larry King, his 900th birthday.

And he knew I would travel a lot.

And, you know, he was a fan of the show. And he would watch and he would see that I was doing all the stage shows. In the days it that I would travel for 30 different days of the year.

And he said, you know, whenever you're in town and in New York. Or when you're traveling around. You know, stay.

At a Trump hotel. Now, I had to pay, you know what I mean?

He wasn't offering it for free. But just stay at a Trump hotel. I'm telling you, they're the best. We take care of our guests. Okay. So I go to New York. And I'm staying at the Trump International, and it's at this time where, remember, I had to eat that diet. I had a diet where I could only eat like 70 ingredients. And was it really, really strict.

And because I was going through -- my doctors, every doctor I saw, they're like, you're being poisoned. And I'm like, yeah, we've done all the poison tests, I'm not being poisoned. They're like, we're being poisoned.

I'm like, I'm paranoid enough. Would you stop saying that?.

And we couldn't ever figure out what was happening with my body, but I started -- they put me on a very strict diet of 70 ingredients. And so I couldn't eat anywhere.

And so I called him up. And I said, hey. I'm coming to New York. I have a chef that has to travel with me because I can only eat these 70 things. And it has to be exact.

And I said, would you -- could you accommodate?

And he's like, now, in New York. Somebody who doesn't work in that kitchen to be allowed in the kitchen. That's a hassle.

Okay?

And he's like, absolutely. Not a problem.

So we go there, I stay for a couple of days. And I was supposed to stay for a week.

And I had to cancel it because my father was dying.

So I'm there for two days. And then because I left abruptly and, you know, the kitchen was like, where is the guy with the -- you know, is Mr. Beck still here?

Somehow or another, he found out that I left. I go to Seattle. My father dies. I come back home. And he calls me up. And he said, is -- is there a reason you left early from the hotel? Did something go wrong?

And I said, yes, sir, my father passed away.

And he said, oh, my gosh, Glenn. I'm so sorry to hear. And he just gushed, gushed, gushed. And he was so relatable and so kind and everything else.

And then like, I don't know. A week later, he announces that he's running for president.

And I assumed worst of the man.

And I can't believe I'm confessing this. This is so horrible for me to say. This is one of the worst things, I've done in a long time. I really regret the things I said about Donald Trump. Because I was really wrong.

Anyway, so I remember getting on the air, as soon as he announces. Or we know. And I said, that son of a bitch has been courting me this whole time. He has been setting me up for an endorsement. That's what this whole thing has been about.

And I assumed the worst of him. And that's not what it was about. I can tell you now, that's not what it was about. That is who he is. And he was just such a gracious guy. And I spat in his face for it. And I regret it.

But he's -- he's not anything that you think he is. Anything the press says he is, he's not that guy. And you know it, you know. The one thing I did say about him when I was saying bad things about him. The one thing I couldn't swear. And I kept saying this is the only thing that doesn't make sense is his kids are so unbelievable, and his daughters love him to death!

And you can't be that guy. How is it he has raised such great children?

And I thought, well, it's their mom. It's not.

I mean, I'm sure their mom played a role in that, but it's him too. They are -- they love him. And if you listen to, just watch the way they react about him.

I mean, my kids don't act that way about me. I mean, you know, they adore the man. Adore the man. And you can't fake that with your kids. They just won't do it. Just won't.

So is that the story you were trying to weasel out of me in my weakness?

STU: I almost got you to cry. So I was close. Got you down the road.

Got you down there.

GLENN: But I refused to go.

STU: I thought, if you would leave this tired, the tears would flow. Whatever. We got close.

GLENN: Yeah. Thanks a lot. Well, that's what we pay you for, apparently.

How Somalis in Minnesota are FUNNELING Tax Dollars to Terror Groups

Minnesota is facing what may be the largest welfare fraud scheme in American history. Christopher Rufo joins Glenn Beck to expose how Somali-run networks siphoned hundreds of millions in taxpayer funds through fake child-care and food programs, money that federal officials say was funneled through Somalia’s Hawala system, where Al-Shabaab takes its cut. Rufo reveals how state leaders protected these networks, how political incentives and “suicidal empathy” blinded Minnesota’s institutions, and why the corruption spreading through the welfare system is far more widespread than anyone wants to admit. This is not just a crime story... It’s a warning about immigration policy, cultural incompatibility, and the collapse of accountability in modern liberal states.

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GLENN: So I first ran into Chris Rufo, oh, I don't even know how many lifetimes ago. He was working for the city journal. And he was starting to uncover things. And he started to do investigations on things he cared about. And all of a sudden, he's one of the best investigative reporters out there.

Extraordinarily credible.

Right almost every single time.

And he is joining us, at the Blaze. He is the host now of his own TV show. Rufo and Lomez.

And he is the guy who broke the story a couple weeks ago. About the Minnesota taxpayers who are funding a terrorist group. Al-Shabaab. I don't know. Is that a problem?

Can I ask you, am I more outraged?

And I haven't paid any Minnesota tax. Am I more outraged than the people of Minnesota?

I mean, I know there's origins up there. So Norwegians are like, yeah, sure. I mean, you know, they don't seem to get very excited about. And they're very, you know, socialized and everything else. They're very big heart. Blah, blah, blah. And they don't seem to -- you know, Swedish, Norwegian, you know. But is there any point where they're outraged? Is there any point where they're like, you know what, this socialization thing is good, but not like this? This socialized, hey, let's help everybody, but not like this. I mean, you have a billion dollars taken from the taxpayers. A billion.

Is -- and I don't hear anything from the people of -- I mean, if you're -- if you were taken for a billion dollars and your money -- you knew was being taken away from children who need food, they were faking all kinds of health issues for other children, and so taking money away from real autistic programs and then putting it in and sending it to a terror group. Wouldn't you be kind of pissed?

Because I know I would be.

Are the people in Minnesota pissed about it?

I don't know.

I mean, I don't think. If it was my state. I don't think the governor would be in the governor's office. But maybe that's just had he. Christopher Rufo joins me now.

Chris, we were just talking about -- thank you for not only this story, but all the stories and things you have exposed over the years. Thank you for doing all of the hard work, and being credible the whole time.

It doesn't -- am I more outraged by this story than the people of Minneapolis? Because they don't seem to have a problem with it. Is it just me?

JASON: It's even more bizarre, actually. You're outraged about the proper thing to be outraged about. Which is that a group that is a recent arrival was permitted, or asylum, refugee status into the United States. Has now systematically looted the Treasury of the state of Minnesota. But Minnesota politicians are also outraged, but they're outraged that we notice this.

And that we've called this out. And that we're saying, this is not okay. So you have the mayor of Minneapolis, speaking in Somali, saying that he will do whatever he can.

GLENN: Unbelievable.

CHRIS: Do whatever he can to shelter the Somali community from any criticism at all.

And, I mean, find this borderline suicidal. And the Scandinavian. Kind of the Scandinavian founding culture of Minnesota, is just being statistically exploited. And they seem to have no ability to even defend themselves against it.

GLENN: Yeah. I mean, what's happened to Sweden is happening in -- you know, in -- in Minnesota.

It's just -- they take the kindness and the socialized everything. And they just absolutely abuse it, until there is nothing left.

And, you know, I don't -- let me ask the question.

And I want to be really careful here. Because I -- and I know you're not.

Nobody is reasonably saying this. That all Somalis just want to rip us off. Not true. I think there's probably a lot of people that wanted to get away from Somalia, because it is an absolutely corrupt system.

And now, our politicians are just recreating, you know, what they had in Somalia. And I can't believe that everybody from Somalia and Minnesota is for that.

But when you -- when you look at where they came from, that is the way their government works.

It is so rife with corruption. Is this something that is being imported, or is this just a handful of bad guys?

CHRIS: Well, it's a little bit of both. And as you said, we have to be careful and precise as we think about it. What's happening, obviously, not every Somali is participating in these fraud schemes.

GLENN: Correct.

CHRIS: But it's true that many, many, many, many -- an extraordinarily high percentage of people in the Somali community were participating in these schemes, prosecutors have told me that there are dozens of these schemes that have been perpetrated. And some of them are involving dozens and in some cases hundreds of families. And so we're talking about a very high percentage of the population. But the -- the point is this: Related to immigration. We always have had an immigration system that makes group level analysis.

And so small ease, for example, for many decades, now, have been given special privileges, in America's immigration system.

You have special status for asylum, for refugee programs. And so we have rewarded Somalis on the basis of -- of a group identity.

And I think that it's totally fair to say, hey. Wait a minute.

We can't take everyone from around the world. We have to prioritize by group.

We can't judge every single human being around the world as an individual.

And the reality is that the Somali community is not coming as individuals. They're coming as a community. And so you can say, you know, there are absolutely great people. Wonderful Somalis.

The incredible Ayaan Hirsi Ali is a Somali.
Incredible woman.

GLENN: Incredible.

CHRIS: But the fact is that they're bringing the cultural systems from Somalia to the United States, and they are just fundamentally incompatible. That's the brass tacks. The bottom line. The end of the story.

And -- and what I was looking for and hoping for, was that Somali leaders would stand up and say, what's happening in our community is wrong.
We're going to work with. We're going to work with law enforcement to stamp out this corruption within our own house. But instead, they have gone just the opposite. They are promising that members of their communities. No criticism. And should operate with impunity.

GLENN: Tim Walz and even the mayor. How do they survive this?

CHRIS: Here's -- here's the actual, sad truth. I know conservatives are waiting for the backlash to sweep away these corrupt leaders and these feckless and incompetent politicians. But there's something about liberal culture, where no amount of chaos, corruption, crime, murder, you know, theft, can dissuade them from their core beliefs that our society is bad. And as a form of penance or -- or -- or kind of self-flagellation. We have to accept any amount of crime, provided that it's committed by people who can check the identity boxes. And so I'm actually pessimistic, and skeptical of the idea that Minnesota voters are going to rise up. And command that this corruption stop.

GLENN: You know, I remember Michele Bachmann came to my apartment when I was living in New York City, probably about 2008, maybe '9. And she sat me down and she said, Glenn, you have to pay attention to what's happening to my State Department, in Minnesota.

And I said, what do you mean?

She said, they're moving whole communities into Minnesota. And she's like -- and I said, communities. What do you mean?

She said, Somalis.

And I'm like, why would they be moving to Minnesota? What?

You miss being surrounded by feet of snow for six months out of the year? And she said, no. She said, it is the State Department.

It's like they selected, you know, Minnesota, and moved people in as a communist community.

Was this -- was this done. I mean, I'm having a hard time separating.

Like USAID.

I know what that is. We all know what that is. This is corruption. And they knew exactly what they were doing.

Is this incompetence, just corruption?

Is there planning involved in this.

Is this, you know, I hate America so much.

Cloward and Piven.

What is this?

GLENN: So there are two arguments that have been floated to answer, this an attempt to answer this question.

The first argument is that the left knows how to gain power. And by importing dependent foreign groups into the -- into the populace, they have a client that can provide them with votes. In exchange for patronaging. Or in this case, corruption.

And that is a strategy to amplify their own domestic political power. The other hypothesis. And I think for me, the more persuasive hypothesis. Is that this is just simple, liberal, naivete. And a kind of suicidal empathy, where they are blind to the consequences of their own actions.

They judge on inputs rather than outputs. And for them, the measure is how compassionate they can be.

And any imposition of limits or consequences is seen as a violation of core liberal principles. You know, it might be a combination of the two. But I don't -- you know, again, barring evidence that emerges, I would assume that it's more the latter than the former.

GLENN: How do we know for sure that money went to Al-Shabaab?

CHRIS: Great question. First of all, there have been schemes over the last decade, where counterterrorism officials tell me that every time they're looking at ISIS recruiting, al-Shabaab recruiting, radical Islamist recruiting, Minneapolis always shows up. And, in fact, it's really the epicenter of foreign terror recruitment in the United States of America. But on a particular question of Al-Shabaab, there is the testimony of multiple counterterrorism officials who told us, hey. Some of this money is getting siphoned off. And essentially taxed by the Al-Shabaab terror network. Once it leaves the United States. And goes into the Somali informal banking system. But this is really not in dispute. Even a left-evening group like the foundation for domestic democracy has long noted that Al-Shabaab skins almost all remittance that travel through the country of Somalia.

And, therefore, it stands to reason, if -- if people are stealing from the Minnesota government, sending that money back to Somali, through the remittence system, and Al-Shabaab is taking their cut. We're talking about a significant amount of money, whether it's intentional or unintentional, that the end result is the same. Al-Shabaab is receiving American taxpayer dollars that were stolen and routed through their network.

STU: So how is this stopped?

Because I don't think anything in Minnesota will happen. How's this stop?

It feels honestly. Know better than I do. It feels like the tip of the iceberg. I mean, today, the story from the GAO on Obamacare. That's completely out of control. USAID. This is happening.

I mean, tip of the iceberg. How do we stop this, if our politicians won't do anything in the states?

CHRIS: Well, there's two things that we can do. I think first off, in this particular case. Federal prosecutors have done a great job, uncovering these Somali fraud rings. And implementing prosecutions. And so they really deserved enormous credit.

But the federal government should do much more.

And I would recommend that Health and Human Services. And other departments at the federal level. Start all payments to Minnesota. Until they have a third party audit. Until they get their fraud under control.

And, you know, ultimately, you have to stop giving these people money, if you want them to change their behavior. And so I think a stop payment order on all federal funding to Minnesota programs where there are suspicions of fraud. Will help clean things up fairly quickly.

The reality is, we have a system in the United States. Where it's always a third party payer.

Health insurance, welfare programs. Food stamps, autism services.

Whatever it might be. These are massive third person payer programs. The incentives are, you know, not aligned with people actually enforcing the rules. And they become easy targets for fraudsters.

And so Minnesota used to be famous for honesty, fair dealing, good government.

GLENN: Oh, yeah.
CHRIS: And in just a short number of decades, their reputation has now been completely inverted.

And it is, by all accounts. From all of the research that I've done, I think this is likely the largest statistic welfare fraud scheme, in American history.

The Disturbing RISE of Islam in America | Glenn Beck & Allie Beth Stuckey SOUND the Alarm

America is witnessing cultural changes at a pace few expected, and even fewer are willing to talk about. Glenn Beck and Allie Beth Stuckey expose the growing concern among everyday Americans, especially mothers, as mosques replace churches, schools switch to halal-only menus, neighborhoods lose Christmas traditions, and crime spikes in communities transformed by rapid Islamic immigration. While politicians look away for the sake of power, ordinary families feel silenced, shamed, and increasingly unsafe. Glenn and Allie reveal how secularism failed to hold the line, how progressive politics weaponized empathy, and why many believe the West is approaching a cultural and spiritual breaking point.

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GLENN: It's amazing to me how this -- the awareness of this Islamic takeover of the west, how quickly it is spreading, and how quickly people are waking up.

I don't know about the politicians. But the average person is really starting to wake up to this. Don't you think?

ALLIE: Absolutely. And, of course, you have been warning about this for years. But I think a lot of people are just seeing it infiltrate their neighborhoods.

There's mosques, where there used to be churches. And office buildings. There are people wearing hijabs. At their elementary schools. Middle school.

People celebrating Christmas and Hanukkah around this. And you're told that you're not allowed to notice this.

And you're certainly not allowed to care about this.

There's no such thing as American culture.

You can't care about sharing the celebrations with your neighbors.

But people do care.

It's very unsettling. And a lot of people are just finding the words and the courage to say something about it.

GLENN: You know, I don't have a problem with, you know, Halal, or kosher, or anything.

I don't have a problem.

But I do have a problem that my kid's school now has to only serve Halal food.

So wait a minute.

What. What's up with that?

And that's happening all over Texas. Where Halal is your choice now.

And I just --

ALLIE: Right. Can we have a conversation about this, please?

I think what most people just want. Can we at least have a conversation about what's happening in our country?

ALLIE: Right. You know, I asked my Instagram followers. Vast majority are women. Probably 85 percent stay-at-home moms. And when I asked this question -- my followers were about 850,000 on Instagram. And I just said. Totally open-ended. Wasn't looking for a particular answer.

Hey, what is your biggest concern with America right now?

I was just trying to come up with topics for my show. The number one answer over and over and over again was the spread of Islamic dominance, where they are living, in America, in the West. This is very destabilizing for a lot of people. And they're seeing it, not just affect people far off like we used to. But affect their own neighborhoods and their own schools. And so, you know, usually politicians kind of take a while to wake up to what the populace is really scared of.

We have seen some good action in Texas for sure. But this is a real problem. And it's not just an illegal immigration problem. That's the uncomfortable part of it. This is a cultural issue. This is an immigration issue in general.

So we need the people in Washington and in Austin, to come up with the solutions for the people who are concerned about this.

GLENN: So you said that your audience is concerned because it affects them.

How does it affect them?

ALLIE: Well, I think that they're scared of the violent crime that they've seen in places maybe in their own cities. Certainly in places where Islam has to me natured. When we look at places like Dearborn, Michigan.

When we look at our friends across the pond. That sexual crimes. Violent crimes. All increase, disproportionately when there is a large-scale importation of people from these Muslim majority countries. It doesn't mean they're all like that.

It doesn't mean that they can't be good neighbors.

But this is not only a cultural change. This is not only a shift in how their neighborhoods look and feel and the celebration and things like that.

But this also is potentially a threat to their own safety. Especially the safety of their daughters.

And people care about that.

GLENN: I was talking to somebody who was doing a posts with somebody over in London.

Yesterday. And he was talking about this. And I said, you know, I -- I -- I'm not -- you know, I don't follow the news all the time.

You know, closely like I do in America.

About, you know, the United Kingdom. But what I'm seeing coming out of Ireland. And when you think about Ireland. You think of a very Catholic country.

You know, or a Protestant. A very Christian country.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: And they fought wars over their own Christianity.

It is almost completely gone now.

You have to go to the way, way outskirts. You know, the northern part of the island, to find that kind of community. The Irish have almost been completely wiped out.

There's very few churches left. They're all being converted into mosques. And, you know, okay. Well, it passes. Et cetera, et cetera.

But to not notice, and not say, wait a minute.

That is the erasing of an entire people and their culture. And that culture is very important to the West.

ALLIE: Right.

GLENN: Should we not care about that?

ALLIE: Right. Well, certainly progressives care about it, when it comes to, you know, non-British. Non-British countries. Or countries that are not America.

They call that colonialism. They call that imperialism.

But apparently, when Muslims do this, it's fine. But the problem was not for Islam. The problem was secularization. The lesson there is that secularism doesn't whole. Atheism -- agnosticism don't hold.

People are looking for meaning. And eventually, ideology in one religion will win.

And right now, Islam and a lot of countries is winning.

GLENN: Yeah. You know, you wrote a book on toxic empathy.

And I think it's a mistake on this one to say, it is empathy that we have gone down the road.

I think this is -- especially if you look in Minnesota.

They turned a blind eye to what's going on in -- in Minnesota.

And I -- I'll bet you in Michigan as well.

Because if you don't have the Muslim population on your side. You're not going to be elected governor.

You're not going to be mayor. So it's not empathy. It's all politics. Which makes it even more grotesque.

But when I see us turning a blind eye to it. We're now entering the time of suicide. And those who are in power, are the -- the doctors engaging in medical assisted suicide for their country.

They know what they're doing at this point. They're just choosing their power, and hold on to their power for as long as they can.

Do you think toxic empathy at this point is still playing a role in this Islamic, you know, hostile, political takeover?

ALLIE: Yeah, I absolutely do. Now, do I think that's the case for Tim Walz or any of these? You know, probably not.

It's probably power. It's fear, as you said.

But for the average person, especially for the woman. Especially for the person who has been told that loving your neighbor means just accepting all forms of people, no matter what their behavior is.

Then, yeah. I do think people are more scared of Islamophobia. Or being called an Islamophobe. When they see the Islamification of their neighborhood. In fact, I think that they think their virtue is tied to how much they like Halal.

And how much they accept the -- the building of mosques around their neighborhood.

And so I do think people feel so strongly, that being exclusive or intolerant, in any way, is a sign of being a bad person.

That they won't speak up.

Because the media social incentives for speaking up against Islam, or against policies. Or anything.

It just, it doesn't exist.

The social incentives in the immediate is to be as progressive as possible.

People respond to incentives. So I think that's a big part of what's going on.

GLENN: Love to hear your comments on Trump over the holiday.

Tweeted out, the official United States foreign population stands at 53 million people.

Most of which are on welfare. From failed nations or from prisons. Mental institutions. Gangs or drug cartels. They and their children are supported through massive payments from patriotic American citizens who because of beautiful hearts do not want to openly complain or cause any trouble in any way, shape, or form. They have put up with what's been happening to our country. But it's eating them alive to do so.

Wow. That's not very empathetic, is it?

ALLIE: Right. That's exactly what he's talking about is toxic empathy. He's talking about our compassion as Americans being weaponized against us. The problem, I wouldn't have said it's a problem. But now it's becoming a problem. For conservatives, we're thinking individually.

We're thinking about our family. And we're thinking, okay. Whatever. Just take my taxes. Do what you have to do. I will keep my head down.

I will work hard. I will move further outside the city. I am going to homeschool.

All of this, and kind of be a recluse, as long as my family is safe. As long as I can make money. As long as things are okay here, then I'll be fine.

Well, progressives for the most part, don't think that way.

They think collectively. They are looking to build a coalition. We are just thinking about our family. And about our immediate future. In our local community.

And that's not really a fair fight, when you have someone who is thinking in the big sense of what we're thinking.

And so he's absolutely right. And that is one weakness that we Christians and conservatives have, even if we're right in thinking that way.

It's hurting us now, especially in ideology, in Islam, that means submission. They're looking to conquer. And conservatives in general, we just haven't been thinking that way.

GLENN: I was talking to Jack (inaudible) from the United Kingdom, and I said, how close are you guys to Civil War?

I mean, I see what's going on. And, you know, collapse. And it's bad.

And he said, I think it's beyond saving, except for God.

What came to mind was, yeah. I agree with that. Except, you've become a godless country. I mean, the Church of England just raised the Islamic flag over the Church of England last week.

What God is there?

He said that there was a resurgence of faith, which would be great.

But how do we fix this, Allie?

ALLIE: Gosh, I pray to the Lord, that that is true. That there is some kind of revival that we don't see. It's important to know that God works -- it's not always a headline. It doesn't always go viral.

It seems he's doing one thing. He's actually doing a million things in unseen and unsung words, such as faithful believers, that may not have radio shows, their podcasts, but they are doing God's word.

And so I pray to the Lord, that that is true. I can't imagine like a better signifier that you've been conquered than another ideology raising its flag over your territory. That is literally a sign that you have been conquered. But God. But God can do anything.

We can pray. He works through the prayer of believers.

He works through the obedience of believers. The boldness of evangelism of believers. We can't all change the world.

But we can be faithful with whatever spot of eternity God has providentially placed us in to make it for the glory of God.

To share the gospel. And to speak beauty and truth and goodness into whatever sphere we occupy. That is the responsibility of a Christian.

That is how God has moved mountains for over 2,000 years, and I think he will continue to.

GLENN: Allie Beth, thank you. God bless you.

ALLIE: Thank you very much.

GLENN: You bet.

How a Recent Conversation at Mar-a-Lago moved Glenn Beck to His Core

A deeply emotional conversation at Mar-a-Lago left Glenn Beck shaken, echoing the same chilling feeling he first experienced years ago during a private discussion with Charlie Kirk — long before Charlie’s recent assassination. As Glenn recounts his talk with Dave Rubin about danger, spiritual warfare, and the future of America, he warns that we are entering a moment where good and evil are unmistakably visible. From the overwhelming sense of divine presence at Charlie’s funeral to the rising chaos Glenn believes is driven by darker forces, this time feels less like politics and more like history unfolding in real time. The question now is simple but urgent: in a world losing its mind, which side will you choose — truth and light, or confusion and darkness?

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GLENN: So yesterday, I -- I -- I posted this when I got home. A picture my wife took of Dave and I.

We were kind of backstage at Mar-a-Lago. And we sat there for probably half an hour. And had a really honest conversation about what's happening in the world.

What's coming our way. And, you know, some things that are just concerning to both of us.

And I'm not going to get into all the details. Because I don't have permission to tell you everything that Dave said. I did ask him last night, if I could share some of this with you.

You know, he is -- he is Jewish. He's gay. He's married.

And he has two adopted children.

I mean, what else could -- leper? What else box could you check that would make you less popular in what the world that we're seeing come our way?

And he's a reasonable guy. He's a really reasonable guy. And, you know, when we talked years ago, when he was adopted. He was on the show. And he was like, Glenn. I've got to tell you. I've changed so much.

I don't -- I don't know how to justify -- because I know that it's best to have kids with a mom and a dad. And I believe in that. And I -- you know, I just don't know what to say. He was a guy in conflict when it happened. He's not in conflict now. He loves his children. Loves his children. And they're in a very stable home.

He would tell you not the ideal home. Because that would be a mom and a dad. But a great home.

And he said, I am finding myself in a situation to where, I mean, I just don't know what's coming.

And we talked about it. And I shared with him some things that I thought were coming.

Exactly what I did and I didn't realize it, at the time, until I walked away.

Exactly the way I did with Charlie Kirk.

When Charlie came to me in 2018, 2019, and he said, you've always been ahead of the curve. What's coming next.

And I said, well, I mean, if you just study history, Charlie. There's really two things that are left. One, is assassinations. And the second is war. And he talked about Donald Trump and that -- that they would try to assassinate. And I said, yeah. Honestly, Charlie. I think you and me are on that list too.

I said, one of us could go down in this as well.

We'll be targets as well. And we stood there. And I've told this story a million times. We stood there on the balcony of this hotel.

And we just looked over the ocean for a while. And we were both quiet.

And I think he said, one of us said, I can't believe we're having this conversation, and the other one said, I know. It's like we're in a movie, right? It's not real.

And lo and behold, just a couple years after, a few years later, Charlie is assassinated. David and I were having a conversation, and I said, Dave, I hope I'm wrong. But this is the way things could shape up.

And we talked about it for a while. And just as I was getting ready to walk away, he said, I can't believe we're having this conversation.

It's like we're in a movie. And I said, yeah. I -- I know that feeling. And then I walked away.

And when I got to my wife's side, I said, I'm sorry, I'm just really freaked out because of what Dave said to me.

Because of the last time somebody said that to me was Charlie.

We are living in extraordinary times. Extraordinary times. And we are seeing for the first time, we're seeing good and evil.

We are! We're -- we're seeing -- and in ways we've never seen before. You know, when the assassin tried to kill Charlie, he thought, there would be an equal and opposite reaction to that act.

And it would be that people would either side with him. Or they would rise up and they would start killing, you know, the left. And we would -- we would go into that Civil War thing.

But that's not what happened. An opposite action happened, as a reaction.

But it was not equal.

It was so far beyond equal.

That it was -- that it was clearly divine.

1.5 million people around the world watched. I'm sorry. 1.5 billion people watched that Charlie Kirk funeral. And that Charlie Kirk funeral happened, and if you were there, I don't know if you could feel it while watching it. I -- I imagine you could. But I'm telling you in the room, I've never felt anything like it.

You could feel the spirit there. I mean, it was like God was there. And every time somebody got up and started speaking about politics, you could feel the spirit withdraw. And then they would start talking about, you know, universal principles.

And the spirit would come back to the room.
It was amazing. And I wasn't just the only one feeling it. I had people around me. Elon Musk was two rose behind me.

Everyone around me were talking about, are you all feeling that?

This is amazing.

That was God! Showing up.

So the unequal, but opposite reaction was God working a miracle.

The only way I can understand what's happening, in our world today, where we have gone insane.

We've gone insane.

People that I know have lost their minds. We can't -- suddenly, we can't have conversations about things that have been settled for a very long time.

And suddenly, you're -- you have to be an enemy. That's why, when I talk about these things, I don't want to single out anybody. Because I'm not going to make this personal. I'm not going to make this personal.

I want to make this about the facts. Because the minute we make this personal, then we're immediately enemies of one another. And I don't -- there's one enemy, and it's the author of chaos. And that's who I fight.

God shows up. Now, what's the equal and opposite reaction? Because every action has an equal and opposite reaction. I really believe Satan showed up.

God shows up. We have this resurgence of faith, this explosion. And then Satan shows up.

And all of a sudden, we're talking about insane things. Like, all of a sudden, you know, Jews rule the world. And -- and I hate Israel. And, you know, it's insanity. Insane stuff that we've always known was insane.

We're watching for the first time. We're watching the big boys play.

And we are pawns.

You just have to -- you just have to make sure you're on the right side of the board.

You know, who -- who are you a tool?

Whose hand are you in?

You on the good side, or the dark side?

Because you have to make that decision right now. And the way to make that decision is just to remember what you've always known to be true.

What is true?

When you know those things and you stay anchored in those things, it's going to be okay.

But if it feels like we're living in a movie, in some ways, we are. It just hasn't been made yet. But believe me, there will be movies made about this time.

And about people that you may know. There will be movies made.

How that is portrayed in the end, I'm not sure. But I do know that every time in human history, every time this road has been traveled. There is a winning side.

And the other side destroys itself and its civilization.

So to me, it's pretty clear. But it's for each of us to find.

Just do it peacefully. Make no enemies. Make no enemies.

I remember one time, we were in the throes of just real attacks. On every front.

And I thought, my whole world was coming apart. And it didn't matter what I did. What I said. Where I was. It didn't matter. Just attack, attack, attack, attack.

And I asked the Lord in prayer, you know, help me.

Help me. How do I defeat these enemies?

And once in a while, once if had a great while, I'll feel like he -- that I almost hear him.

And I don't know how to describe it. It's -- it's like I hear the words. But not hear the words. You know, I just know what he's saying.

And sometimes, it's so clear. It's jaw-dropping. And I remember in prayer, and I'm talking about, how do I defeat these enemies, et cetera, et cetera?

And it was so clear. And what I heard was, firmly, stop. These are not enemies of yours. They are enemies of mine.

These are my rights.

And I will solve the problem with my enemies.

You do the right thing.

Okay.

So I don't want to make any more enemies.

Because they're not enemies of mine.

They're his -- his enemies.

Anybody who is standing against the rights of all men, anyone who is standing against the Bill of Rights, the idea that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator. They're not my enemy.

I mean, I view them that way. But they're ultimately his enemy.

I need to remain on his side. That's all I need to do. Remain on his side. And when he tells me to act and tells me what to do, I will do it. And so far, all I know, is make no more enemies.

Just speak the truth plainly. Clearly.

Just keep saying the truth. The things that you have always known that are universally true.

I'll take care of the rest.